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Enaid Verrs The Advent of Faith 0	Posted - 2013.03.10 17:47:00 - [1] - Quote EFT is set to all skill at V, and CPU and PG are still WAY over the limit. Here's what I've got: (HIGH) Large Remote Armor Repair System II (x4) Large Energy Transfer Array II (x2) (MID) 10MN Afterburner II Sensor Booster II (LOW) Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II I haven't decided on rigs yet but I can't imagine any of them will fix this problem. Do some of these mods need to be T1? Or are there good meta 4+ variants to any of them that aren't incredibly expensive by comparison? Any help I can get on this would be fantastic. Thanks!!
Bill Serkoff2 Tachyon Technology 77	Posted - 2013.03.10 18:01:00 - [2] - Quote Usually meta 4 reps/transfers, and rolled tungsten for plates. "The Cyclone and the Drake are two ships which will basically never be good for shield tanking, primarily because they have almost no lowslots in addition to shield tanking bonuses. " *-Iam Widdershins*
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1041	Posted - 2013.03.10 18:06:00 - [3] - Quote This seems fairly typical for a 4+2 setup: [Guardian, Cheap 1600mm Needs +1% PG] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Trying to fit one all T2 just doesn't work.
Lady Naween Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 100	Posted - 2013.03.10 20:37:00 - [4] - Quote [Guardian, Guardian: Cheap and Effective] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Medium 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Is my standard go to fit for when dont fly specific fleets. I hate having to use implants to fit since I never know what clone I will be in due to having all 4 mindlinks in my clones. So when the call is just, grab a guardian the above fit is what I grab since it will fit with all 5 clones i got (yeah one doesnt have a mindlink since it is my 0.0 clone). its cheap so i dont have to worry too much if it gets derped
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8072	Posted - 2013.03.10 21:15:00 - [5] - Quote Enaid Verrs wrote: EFT is set to all skill at V, and CPU and PG are still WAY over the limit. Here's what I've got: (HIGH) Large Remote Armor Repair System II (x4) Large Energy Transfer Array II (x2) (MID) 10MN Afterburner II Sensor Booster II (LOW) Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II I haven't decided on rigs yet but I can't imagine any of them will fix this problem. Do some of these mods need to be T1? Or are there good meta 4+ variants to any of them that aren't incredibly expensive by comparison? Any help I can get on this would be fantastic. Thanks!! 2x Ancilliary current router, and possibly dropping some of the reppers and the plate to Meta 4. You might also look at dropping one the cap transfers down to a medium, especially if you have Logistics 5 and most of the people you fly with do as well. Faction EM hardeners are often very cheap and save you a ton of CPU. You might also want to look at using a PG implant. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Kosetzu Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 60	Posted - 2013.03.10 21:37:00 - [6] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Do NOT underestimate the importance of this module in PvP
culo duro EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 39	Posted - 2013.03.11 08:23:00 - [7] - Quote Personally i'd probably use this It's cheap and it can tank way more than any 1600mm fit, and no implants needed. Quote: [Guardian, 4/2 Rep] Adaptive Nano Plating II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II 800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-EM Pump I Hell if you're up for the challenge there's even this with a 800mm plate on. Quote: [Guardian, 5/1 Rep] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-EM Pump II
Xia Kairui Delete Inc. Enigma Project 0	Posted - 2013.03.11 15:08:00 - [8] - Quote As others have said, drop down the modules to best named and fit ACR rigs. Here's what I came up with for my last WH corp: [Guardian, WH Logi] Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Use ECCM or other mid-slot modules as required by the situation on hand. This was for a minimal-skillset "Logi Pilot" role, with better skills you can replace some of the modules with faction and T2 and put in a few T2 RLARs. Those help a lot since they do cycle 10% faster and thus rep more and allow you to react faster as well if you have to move them to another ship. [Guardian, WH Logi (improved)] Damage Control II Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Power Diagnostic System II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I For Incursions I went with this fit, the main goal was to get as many T2 reppers on as possible: [Guardian, T2 Reppers] Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II 10MN Afterburner II Phase Switching Targeting Nexus, Optimal Range Script Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I It has a lot less EHP than the previous variant but the AB helps keeping it alive. I've flown this in many Vanguards and a handful of Assaults and didn't have any problems. If you really need maximum EHP you need a lot of ISK and a +3% grid implant: [Guardian, T2 ACRs (+2% implant needed)] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener True Sansha Adaptive Nano Plating True Sansha Adaptive Nano Plating 10MN Afterburner II Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Savnire Jacitu Caldari Provisions Caldari State 98	Posted - 2013.03.11 15:59:00 - [9] - Quote The other day someone in a guardian tried to rep me after a duel in Amarr. Everyone chipped in in teaching them why that was a bad idea. Just thought I would share that >.> <corrupt>
chris elliot EG CORP Talocan United 150	Posted - 2013.03.11 19:52:00 - [10] - Quote Kosetzu wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Do NOT underestimate the importance of this module in PvP Never not fit eccm on a guardian.

Korvus Falek Depraved Corruption Quixotic Hegemony 60	Posted - 2013.03.12 00:03:00 - [11] - Quote [Guardian, Standard] Damage Control II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II Hobgoblin II x5 Is mine I use for incursions. I like the sensor booster over the ECCM as the ECCM didnt seem to prevent me from getting jammed less than when I didnt use it; so I said **** it. The sensor booster for targeting speed is winsauce though. Edit: I use both the genolution implants to make this fit as well as 3 peices of the HG slave set to give myself 68.6k EHP.
BadAssMcKill Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 167	Posted - 2013.03.12 00:07:00 - [12] - Quote @Xia , why would you ever fit cap rechargers on a ship meant to cap chain? Starships were meant to fly~
chris elliot EG CORP Talocan United 150	Posted - 2013.03.12 07:52:00 - [13] - Quote There is also the RnK Kaboose variant for really elaborate chains that have good ecm redundancies built in.
culo duro EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 39	Posted - 2013.03.12 08:57:00 - [14] - Quote chris elliot wrote: Kosetzu wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Do NOT underestimate the importance of this module in PvP Never not fit eccm on a guardian. What else would you fit? OP didn't state wether it was pvp or pve, but if it's pvp i'd definently fit ECCM on it.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8100	Posted - 2013.03.12 09:06:00 - [15] - Quote Korvus Falek wrote: [Guardian, Standard] Damage Control II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II Hobgoblin II x5 Is mine I use for incursions. I like the sensor booster over the ECCM as the ECCM didnt seem to prevent me from getting jammed less than when I didnt use it; so I said **** it. The sensor booster for targeting speed is winsauce though. Edit: I use both the genolution implants to make this fit as well as 3 peices of the HG slave set to give myself 68.6k EHP. For the kind of money you're spending there, you'd probably be better going with a standard PvP fit and buying a LG Halo set. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
yopparai ASTARTES CORP Hashashin Cartel 1599	Posted - 2013.03.12 21:53:00 - [16] - Quote culo duro wrote: Personally i'd probably use this It's cheap and it can tank way more than any 1600mm fit, and no implants needed. Quote: [Guardian, 4/2 Rep] Adaptive Nano Plating II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II 800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-EM Pump I Hell if you're up for the challenge there's even this with a 800mm plate on. Quote: [Guardian, 5/1 Rep] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-EM Pump II No just no. 1600mm plate is a must. The 800mm will never out tank a 1600mm fit.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8112	Posted - 2013.03.12 22:07:00 - [17] - Quote yopparai wrote: 1600mm plate is a must. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Ravage Prime Die rot-weiss-roten Piloten 3	Posted - 2013.03.12 22:31:00 - [18] - Quote I prefer cheaper and effective fittings, try this: [Guardian, t2] Reactor Control Unit II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I Reactive Armor Hardener 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I T2 reppers have a cicle time of 4,5sec while meta4 have 5sec, so 20% more rep amount over time. Reactive Armor Hardener is nice to have, but you can also put another resistence module
Xia Kairui Delete Inc. Enigma Project 0	Posted - 2013.03.12 22:42:00 - [19] - Quote BadAssMcKill wrote: @Xia , why would you ever fit cap rechargers on a ship meant to cap chain? The fit is rather old (predates the anti-ECM-skills by a year or more) and we often had problems being jammed by the Sleepers despite mounting ECCM. The unjammed Guardian had to keep reppage up as good as possible until the other Guardian came back. The folks in charge of fitting decided to have Cap Rechargers just in case. And yeah, that was for a two Guardian setup. With three Guardians you'll never need the cap.
Xia Kairui Delete Inc. Enigma Project 0	Posted - 2013.03.12 22:47:00 - [20] - Quote Korvus Falek wrote: Is mine I use for incursions. I like the sensor booster over the ECCM as the ECCM didnt seem to prevent me from getting jammed less than when I didnt use it I've made the same experience in Incursions and usually for a RSeBo or Tracking Link. Besides, jamming ships always get primaried and die really fast - mounting a module to counter them turned out to be a waste.

Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 1486	Posted - 2013.03.12 23:42:00 - [21] - Quote Ok, there have been a lot of truly terrible fits suggested here and a few good ones. Here are some important guardian fitting rules: Never (and I do mean never, ever) fit an 800mm plate Never (and I do mean never, ever) fit a low slot fitting mod Always fit at least 1 ECCM (with low numbers you may want 2) Never fit more than 1 EANM Fit ACR rigs Only T2 the reps if you have left over fittings. As for fits themselves, the thing they most depend on is if you can afford T2 ACR rigs or not. Guardians should have 2x T2 rigs. Note that you won't get a T2 plate on there without a PG implant or compromising the fit. You will need faction hardeners on a lot of fits, theyre cheap. Here is a good guardian fit: Quote: [Guardian, Logi 5 PVP] 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener Imperial Navy Armor Kinetic Hardener Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large Remote Armor Repair System II Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II Needs a 3% PG implant. If you don't have one, M4 the plate and fit 2x T2 reps. Here's a cheap fit: Quote: [Guardian, Logi 5_ Dirt Cheap] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Large 'Regard' Power Projector Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I If youre logi 4 you can fit a med cap transfer instead of the med rep.
culo duro EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 40	Posted - 2013.03.13 08:00:00 - [22] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Ok, there have been a lot of truly terrible fits suggested here and a few good ones. Here are some important guardian fitting rules: Never (and I do mean never, ever) fit an 800mm plate Never (and I do mean never, ever) fit a low slot fitting mod Always fit at least 1 ECCM (with low numbers you may want 2) Never fit more than 1 EANM Fit ACR rigs Only T2 the reps if you have left over fittings. . Please do explain why thoes rules are true. To OP, people use 800mm plate augorors because they can't fit a 1600mm plate on it. NEVER DROP THE AB for another ECCM the AB might save you and you'll be able to keep speed going. 45 Radar Compensation is good enough. Quote: [Augoror, RR ] Internal Force Field Array I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium 'Regard' Power Projector Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I Or you can use this fit. so you can have a 1600mm plate on it, since 1600mm plates are important, because that buffer is going to save you. Unless you're in a huge null gang where you got triage carriers anyway, don't bother with it. Quote: [Augoror, RR ] Internal Force Field Array I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium 'Regard' Power Projector Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
chris elliot EG CORP Talocan United 152	Posted - 2013.03.13 17:46:00 - [23] - Quote culo duro wrote: Please do explain why thoes rules are true. Because we are talking about Guardians not Augorors you dunce.
culo duro EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 42	Posted - 2013.03.13 20:08:00 - [24] - Quote chris elliot wrote: culo duro wrote: Please do explain why thoes rules are true. Because we are talking about Guardians not Augorors you dunce. But that's not a reason, if your Guardian is getting alpha'd and insta popped you shouldn't be using guardians you should be using Archons. If you need that 7,5k EHP to survive an alpha strike over higher resist, you're doing it wrong. Your logi shouldn't be in the danger zone, it should be 50KM off. If you can't keep your enemies away so they can't alpha it, you should have brought a ******* archon. If you put a 800mm plate on something that's not meant to be hit, but it's gotta be ready for an alpha strike (Which only BS or Attack BCs can do) that speed is going to help you. Transversals? Sorry but you're a god damn idiot, i asked for a explanation, i get a "Just because everyone else does it DUUUH".
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 1487	Posted - 2013.03.13 22:42:00 - [25] - Quote culo duro wrote: chris elliot wrote: culo duro wrote: Please do explain why thoes rules are true. Because we are talking about Guardians not Augorors you dunce. But that's not a reason, if your Guardian is getting alpha'd and insta popped you shouldn't be using guardians you should be using Archons. If you need that 7,5k EHP to survive an alpha strike over higher resist, you're doing it wrong. Your logi shouldn't be in the danger zone, it should be 50KM off. If you can't keep your enemies away so they can't alpha it, you should have brought a ******* archon. If you put a 800mm plate on something that's not meant to be hit, but it's gotta be ready for an alpha strike (Which only BS or Attack BCs can do) that speed is going to help you. Transversals? Sorry but you're a god damn idiot, i asked for a explanation, i get a "Just because everyone else does it DUUUH". you don't fly guardians do you? guardians are not exactly fast, they will and do get tackled easily and MUST be able to survive under heavy close range fire. if you want your logi to kite, fly shield and use scimmis. PS: for the record, dropping to an 800mm plate is a 19k EHP loss, dropping a low for a fitting mod is a 10k EHP drop and you also lose resists which you vitally need. (no idea where you got 7.5k)
chris elliot EG CORP Talocan United 154	Posted - 2013.03.13 22:43:00 - [26] - Quote culo duro wrote: chris elliot wrote: culo duro wrote: Please do explain why thoes rules are true. Because we are talking about Guardians not Augorors you dunce. But that's not a reason, if your Guardian is getting alpha'd and insta popped you shouldn't be using guardians you should be using Archons. If you need that 7,5k EHP to survive an alpha strike over higher resist, you're doing it wrong. Your logi shouldn't be in the danger zone, it should be 50KM off. If you can't keep your enemies away so they can't alpha it, you should have brought a ******* archon. If you put a 800mm plate on something that's not meant to be hit, but it's gotta be ready for an alpha strike (Which only BS or Attack BCs can do) that speed is going to help you. Transversals? Sorry but you're a god damn idiot, i asked for a explanation, i get a "Just because everyone else does it DUUUH". We are not talking about archons either you downs infested highsec station monkey. The OP asked how to fit a guardian, hence the topic being about guardians. If we were talking about carriers this would be a carrier thread now wouldn't it.
Jack Miton Aperture Harmonics K162 1487	Posted - 2013.03.13 22:46:00 - [27] - Quote chris elliot wrote: We are not talking about archons either you downs infested highsec station monkey. this got me weird looks at work :P
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1209	Posted - 2013.03.13 23:08:00 - [28] - Quote Wow, a thread with truly useful info! Awesome! Keep up the good work, you Downs-infested station monkeys!! :-p "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
culo duro EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 43	Posted - 2013.03.14 07:44:00 - [29] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: culo duro wrote: chris elliot wrote: culo duro wrote: Please do explain why thoes rules are true. Because we are talking about Guardians not Augorors you dunce. But that's not a reason, if your Guardian is getting alpha'd and insta popped you shouldn't be using guardians you should be using Archons. If you need that 7,5k EHP to survive an alpha strike over higher resist, you're doing it wrong. Your logi shouldn't be in the danger zone, it should be 50KM off. If you can't keep your enemies away so they can't alpha it, you should have brought a ***** archon. If you put a 800mm plate on something that's not meant to be hit, but it's gotta be ready for an alpha strike (Which only BS or Attack BCs can do) that speed is going to help you. Transversals? Sorry but you're a god damn idiot, i asked for a explanation, i get a "Just because everyone else does it DUUUH". you don't fly guardians do you? guardians are not exactly fast, they will and do get tackled easily and MUST be able to survive under heavy close range fire. if you want your logi to kite, fly shield and use scimmis. PS: for the record, dropping to an 800mm plate is a 19k EHP loss, dropping a low for a fitting mod is a 10k EHP drop and you also lose resists which you vitally need. (no idea where you got 7.5k) Unless you fit slaves on your Logi toon you get 7.5k EHP Less by putting on a 800mm plate. Quote:** [Guardian, 4/2 Rep] Adaptive Nano Plating II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Armor Thermic Hardener II 800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 10MN Afterburner II Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Regard' Power Projector Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-EM Pump II
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 8134	Posted - 2013.03.14 07:51:00 - [30] - Quote My experience with 800mm plate guardians is that they're bad and you should feel bad for bringing one. The first thing you put on a nice, new, freshly unpackaged Guardian is a 1600mm plate. Then you match the rest of the fit to whatever role you have in mind. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread



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