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Tikera Tissant
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Posted - 2011.10.14 13:12:00 -
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Quick question.
I'm multi-boxing moning.
Currently have two hulks and an orca.
I also have a frieghter alt, which I'm currently using as extra retriever for mining, and as a hauler for when the orca is full.
Since it takes several runs from base to orca in order to fully unpack the orca while the hulks keeps going, I started wondering whether I should just stop the mining for a couple of minutes, send the orca to fully unpack, return, and continue mining.
So the options are basically:
1. Stop mining while the orca goes to unpack - 5-6 minutes (or so).
2. Stop the retriever from mining, and spend 15 minutes hauling, while the hulks keeps mining.
As option 2 does seems slower (I'm only getting 22.5M an hour this way currently with my alts skills, nothing is perfect but using T2 crystals on everyone), I wonder what is the best practice of large mining ops without a roqual).
Cheers. |
Lando Tarsadan
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.14 13:18:00 -
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just dock the orca if your within 15 km of the roids your killing you can continue mining. when the orca is back stop and start all the lasers again to get the timers back on track. I tried doing the change to hauler and you loose quite abit of ore doing it that way imho. |
Lando Tarsadan
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.14 13:20:00 -
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just to add though if your more than 1 hulk and 1 retriever..quite fast the opposite starts to be the better option. (hauling from the orca) |
Tikera Tissant
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Posted - 2011.10.14 13:26:00 -
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Well as I said, I'm using 2 hulks and a retriever. So 3 miners in total.
I'm sitting usually around 18-19K from the asteroids.
If I'm docking the orca, its 5-6 minutes of no mining at all until the orca is back.
Problem is with the hauler, is that it takes 15-20 minutes to haul 170K m3 or ore with a 38K hauler. |
Jenn Makanen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.14 13:33:00 -
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Or get a POS with a hanger in the same system 
Unload in space. |
Tikera Tissant
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Posted - 2011.10.14 13:35:00 -
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Jenn Makanen wrote:Or get a POS with a hanger in the same system Unload in space.
NPC station is usually easier and less costy 
(aka I'm in high-sec 90% of the time, other time I'm doing a run into low sec / wh, mine, gtfo when full). |
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.14 13:41:00 -
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Hi Tikera Tissant,
Here is another idea: Send to Orca to unload and if you mine in the meanwhile any excess that doesn't fit into your cargohold, drop a can and store it there until the Orca returns, then pick up the can. Also synchronize the departure of your Orca with the beginning of your mining cycles, this should give you some additional time.
Of course dropping the ore into a can, even temporarily, is not without risk. But having the can out there for only a few minutes (until your Orca returns) and choosing a quiet system should help you in reducing you risk.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:12:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Hi Tikera Tissant,
Here is another idea: Send to Orca to unload and if you mine in the meanwhile any excess that doesn't fit into your cargohold, drop a can and store it there until the Orca returns, then pick up the can. Also synchronize the departure of your Orca with the beginning of your mining cycles, this should give you some additional time.
Of course dropping the ore into a can, even temporarily, is not without risk. But having the can out there for only a few minutes (until your Orca returns) and choosing a quiet system should help you in reducing you risk.
You're a Hi Sec Can flipper, admit it.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
pussnheels
Vintage heavy industries
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:35:00 -
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i find it easier just to dock the orca aslong you keep your miners within15 k they keep mining , the little bit of yield you lose for the few minutes the orca isn't providing a bonus is really nothing compared to what the total yield of your ops will be
If you mining with other people tho warn them if you going to dock the orca or make sure you have a dedicated hauler and even then he will probably not be able to keep up if you have 4 or more hulks and a orca mining
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Muse of Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:59:00 -
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Micro-management is what differences a good miner from an excellent miner.
Docking orca will be better by far: you want to keep your 2 hulks working everytime.
Once the Orca is almost full (like 2k m3 to be full) start warping and then drop the final load just before the Orca starts warping. Make sure your Hulks are empty now.
Next step is watching your Orca warp: and just before it docks, restart quickly your Hulk lasers. That way you can ninja-unload your Orca contents in station while Hulks are still mining at 15+ km of distance because the bonuses will be working unless you restart your lasers. So make sure to be fast LOL.
Once the cargo is unloaded, you undock and it's all done. Warp to belt and enjoy.
Next day, I will tell you of Survey Scanner II and its tricks LOL. |
Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
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Posted - 2011.10.14 19:24:00 -
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you shouldn't ever stop the mining lazers. 
at beginning of a mining cycle, once orca reaches or nears its capacity, warp orca to station (do not dock). hulks cargo should be empty at this point. turn on mining gang links and sit outside station in orca till new mining cycle begins. dock as soon as new mining cycle begins, unload and if possible warp back before completion of that mining cycle. if not possible, unload, undock and align while turning on mining gang links again. at this point you'll need to jetcan for one cycle in the hulks. (sometimes i'll have them all share one can). once new cycle starts, warp orca back to hulks and wait till next full load. rinse and repeat. |
Souris Blanche
The Baker Street Irregulars
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Posted - 2011.10.14 19:25:00 -
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continue to train your retriever pilot to be able to fly an orca as well.
When I used to be a miner, I ran a setup similar to yours but with a few more accts. I would run 4 hulks and 2 orcas. One Orca would provide boosts and never leave the belt. The hulks would all deposit ore into that Orca's corp hangar. And the second orca would continuously run back and forth, ferrying ore, between the orca in the belt and the station. With 4 hulks, a normal industrial ship (even a rigged Itty V) could not keep up, so the hauler orca was the only way to go.
Since you are only running 2 Hulks, you could probably do a 2 Hulk + 1 Orca + 1 Rigged Industrial ship team, but your indy would pretty much have to run back and forth constantly... a second orca to haul with is way easier. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.10.14 20:14:00 -
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I use 4 accounts: 2 Hulks + Orca / Rorqual + Bustard (Deep Space Transport)
The Bustard hauls so the Orca never has to move. The Rorqual stays within a force field, and the Hulks jetcan until the hauler comes by. |
AureoLion
Etoilles Mortant Ltd.
Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2011.10.14 20:51:00 -
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Align orca
Restart cycles on the miners
Warp orca
Dock, unload
Undock
Warp to hulks
Get filled. |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:01:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Hi Tikera Tissant,
Here is another idea: Send to Orca to unload and if you mine in the meanwhile any excess that doesn't fit into your cargohold, drop a can and store it there until the Orca returns, then pick up the can. Also synchronize the departure of your Orca with the beginning of your mining cycles, this should give you some additional time.
Of course dropping the ore into a can, even temporarily, is not without risk. But having the can out there for only a few minutes (until your Orca returns) and choosing a quiet system should help you in reducing your isk.
fixed for you...  |
Gavin DeVries
JDI Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:37:00 -
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Train the hauler to fly an Orca. Buy a second Orca. If the second pilot has the leadership skills, configure one as fleet booster and one as squad booster, and both boost. Whichever goes to dock will have the slack taken up by the other. If not, then just transfer ore from boosting Orca to hauling Orca, then dock it. |
Zifrian
Deep Space Innovations
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:38:00 -
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On hauling, maybe invest in a Itty 5 with max rigs - 41,848 m3 if you want to go that route but I think the orca would be your best bet.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned that might help, is to turn on your orca boosts when you are aligning for warp. As you probably know, you don't actually turn them off until you warp but if the hulks start their cycle when they have it (say when you leave belt) as long as it's on when the cycle ends (when you are at station/back in belt), you'll still get ore out of it. Sometimes when I'm warping back from station I'll turn them on to make sure I don't miss that stray rock out past 15km.
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