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Touchin Myself
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:26:00 -
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Have not played in a good long while, logged in hopped in my raven and grabbed a level 4 mission. Went to the mission and was blown to hell and back a few minutes in... Had my hardeners and shield booster going and was just ripped to shreds.
So i pulled out my trusty domi, not much better. Had enough time to loot my wreck and scoot out before losing that ship too.
What exactly did i miss? Both of these are very straightforward ships to pilot with good tanks that have always handled level 4 missions fine now all of a sudden im getting eaten alive. |
Skorpynekomimi
471
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:29:00 -
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Sleeper AI on mission rats. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
519
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:30:00 -
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Uh oh, game got harder! :o |
Eve Amada
Lightspeed Enterprises
Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:33:00 -
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Remember which hardeners go with which mission?
Remember which ships are the triggers for next wave? |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
2207
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:33:00 -
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All NPCs have the updated AI now so there is now potential for you to have been overwhelmed by changed aggro mechanics.
You probably pulled full room aggro before you expected it.
Besides that the damage amounts haven't changed.
The Drake is a Lie |
Alara IonStorm
4507
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:40:00 -
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Pirates finally upgraded from fireworks and strobe lights to missiles and lasers. They realized they could not sustain a multi million Battleship pirate empire if every mission had a 100% casualty rate and no victories.
A pirate spokesman stated that next they were going to explore the possibility of drones, dmg mods, neuts, different ammo types and warp interdiction on every ship. There is also talk of letting their captains warp out in hull if they aren't scramed.
These new strategies stem from a new tactic the pirates have been trying called recruiting people who are not functionally ret@rded. Only time will tell if it is effective. |
Mathrin
Synthetic Solution
Synthetic Systems
68
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Posted - 2013.03.11 17:44:00 -
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New AI wouldn't effect your raven if you were solo. I would look into other thugs mentioned here. Did you pull room aggro? Did you use the right type of hardeners? Are you just rusty? Knowing how long you have been goons would help pinpoint specific changes. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
523
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Posted - 2013.03.11 18:14:00 -
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There have also been added a few new missions, which are a cut above the regular ones in difficulty level.
When those were first released, my trusty drake, which soloed just about any mission in it's sleep suddenly had to wake up and start doing some evasive maneuvering.
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Vincent Gaines
Double-Down
Transmission Lost
303
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:07:00 -
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How was your Raven equipped? Many things have changed. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
254
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:15:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Pirates finally upgraded from fireworks and strobe lights to missiles and lasers. They realized they could not sustain a multi million Battleship pirate empire if every mission had a 100% casualty rate and no victories.
A pirate spokesman when asked what was next for modern piracy stated that they were going to explore the possibility of drones, damage mods, logistics, neuts, damage controls, different ammo types and warp interdiction on every ship. There is also talk of letting their captains warp out in hull if they aren't scrammed.
These strategies stem from a new plan the pirates have been trying out in which they recruit new people who are not mentally ret@rded. An advantage they have never had before now. Only time will tell if it is effective.
Had to quote. A like simply was not sufficient. This gets my vote for best post of the year.
No good deed goes unpunished |
Touchin Myself
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:46:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:How was your Raven equipped? Many things have changed.
Well its gone now but as i recall i started with this and its pretty close.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/27770-Perfect-Starter-Lv4-Mission-raven.html
It was a drone mission and there where a ton of drones but that was never a problem before in my drake maybe having to warp out once or twice but with my domi just aggroing everything and unleashing the drones was how i lived in level 4s for a while and this has never happened.
Last i really played was 2011. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2913
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:56:00 -
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Mathrin wrote:Knowing how long you have been goons would help pinpoint specific changes. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha funny typo ! XD |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC
StructureDamage
458
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:58:00 -
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Touchin Myself wrote:It was a drone mission and there where a ton of drones but that was never a problem before in my drake maybe having to warp out once or twice but with my domi just aggroing everything and unleashing the drones was how i lived in level 4s for a while and this has never happened.
Last i really played was 2011.
There are some very nasty L4s. I lost a Domi in a drone mission (I wish I could remember the name), and when I came back the drones I'd left behind had shot all the triggers. There were probably a dozen battleships on field, and plenty of smaller support. I wound up getting through it in a Megathron cap-buddied with a friend's Nightmare, and even then we had to warp out twice.
Also, I'm not sure when the cruise missile nerf landed, but they're not able to hit anything small. The Raven is no longer the premiere mission boat, nor the premiere battleship. If anything it was nerfed so hard that hardly anyone flies them. if you fly Caldari, look at the Scorpion Navy Issue or the Tengu. The Domi is still a good mission boat, and a good all-around ship, but it's as skill-intensive as ever.
With some L4s, you want to have more than one ship. With some of them, you really want to be careful with triggers. EVE Survival is your friend.
[EDIT: See the "Missions & Complexes" subforum for more detailed help.]
Malcanis, Ripard Teg, and Trebor Daehdoow for CSM 8
(I have three accounts, so why not?) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4366
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:00:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:How was your Raven equipped? Many things have changed.
"My Raven was equipped with the following..."
Malcanis for CSM 8
Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Touchin Myself
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:30:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Touchin Myself wrote:It was a drone mission and there where a ton of drones but that was never a problem before in my drake maybe having to warp out once or twice but with my domi just aggroing everything and unleashing the drones was how i lived in level 4s for a while and this has never happened.
Last i really played was 2011. There are some very nasty L4s. I lost a Domi in a drone mission (I wish I could remember the name), and when I came back the drones I'd left behind had shot all the triggers. There were probably a dozen battleships on field, and plenty of smaller support. I wound up getting through it in a Megathron cap-buddied with a friend's Nightmare, and even then we had to warp out twice. Also, I'm not sure when the cruise missile nerf landed, but they're not able to hit anything small. The Raven is no longer the premiere mission boat, nor the premiere battleship. If anything it was nerfed so hard that hardly anyone flies them. if you fly Caldari, look at the Scorpion Navy Issue or the Tengu. The Domi is still a good mission boat, and a good all-around ship, but it's as skill-intensive as ever. With some L4s, you want to have more than one ship. With some of them, you really want to be careful with triggers. EVE Survival is your friend.
Hmm the whole reason i skilled up for the raven was because of how boring missioning is in the domi. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3548
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:How was your Raven equipped? Many things have changed. "My Raven was equipped with the following..."
Offucer Heavy Missile Lauchers.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3719
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:39:00 -
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Touchin Myself wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:Touchin Myself wrote:It was a drone mission and there where a ton of drones but that was never a problem before in my drake maybe having to warp out once or twice but with my domi just aggroing everything and unleashing the drones was how i lived in level 4s for a while and this has never happened.
Last i really played was 2011. There are some very nasty L4s. I lost a Domi in a drone mission (I wish I could remember the name), and when I came back the drones I'd left behind had shot all the triggers. There were probably a dozen battleships on field, and plenty of smaller support. I wound up getting through it in a Megathron cap-buddied with a friend's Nightmare, and even then we had to warp out twice. Also, I'm not sure when the cruise missile nerf landed, but they're not able to hit anything small. The Raven is no longer the premiere mission boat, nor the premiere battleship. If anything it was nerfed so hard that hardly anyone flies them. if you fly Caldari, look at the Scorpion Navy Issue or the Tengu. The Domi is still a good mission boat, and a good all-around ship, but it's as skill-intensive as ever. With some L4s, you want to have more than one ship. With some of them, you really want to be careful with triggers. EVE Survival is your friend. Hmm the whole reason i skilled up for the raven was because of how boring missioning is in the domi.
Using drones in mission isn't exactly boring anymore. 
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC
StructureDamage
459
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:47:00 -
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Touchin Myself wrote:Hmm the whole reason i skilled up for the raven was because of how boring missioning is in the domi.
I generally prefer a blaster Megathron for that exact reason. (If you can fly a T3, those make missions somewhat more fun as well--kite all the things!)
But that one mission suddenly became really exciting for the Domi...
Malcanis, Ripard Teg, and Trebor Daehdoow for CSM 8
(I have three accounts, so why not?) |
Darvaleth Sigma
202
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:48:00 -
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Doesn't "Raven" give it away? Hardly the most amazing ship in the universe, and with more intelligent AI and a rusty player (admitted being new after a while off), it's not beyond the imagination that the OP had just lost his edge a little.
Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
Orlacc
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:55:00 -
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Since you are just back, try out the new Micro Jump Dive. Makes level 4s easy for a missile/sentry boat. Warp away, shoot, repeat.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once." |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
1301
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:59:00 -
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If I ever go back to running missions, i am positive that it will take a while before I dare to take anything that haves the slightest chance of scrambling my ship. Haven't really run missions since early 2012 and i'm not just rusty, but I fear my fits are outdated (sp. as today micro jump drives are like standard for BS).
Reading the comments, it appears that my cruise Golem is a lost cause...
The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4369
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:07:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Since you are just back, try out the new Micro Jump Dive. Makes level 4s easy for a missile/sentry boat. Warp away, shoot, repeat.
Highsec carebears: repurposing PVP modules for completely inane reasons since Inferno!
Malcanis for CSM 8
Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
523
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Orlacc wrote:Since you are just back, try out the new Micro Jump Dive. Makes level 4s easy for a missile/sentry boat. Warp away, shoot, repeat. Highsec carebears: repurposing PVP modules for completely inane reasons since Inferno!
Hey.. they Adapt.. much better than having them whine that missions are too hard or whatever..
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Jaezila
Vargas Girls
0
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:25:00 -
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After a three year hiatus, I came back and am running L4s in my Raven Navy Issue. The drone aggro changes were a bit unsettling at first, but I remembered to ALWAYS review Eve-Survival before fitting for any mission, and mission running is good again. It sounds like you were on one of the missions where each initial ship triggers a series of spawns. For those, as Eve-Survival makes clear, you have to be sure to take out just one spawn chain at a time. If you ever want a tip on missions in game, feel free to convo me. Good luck and welcome back! |
Takseen
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
354
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Orlacc wrote:Since you are just back, try out the new Micro Jump Dive. Makes level 4s easy for a missile/sentry boat. Warp away, shoot, repeat. Highsec carebears: repurposing PVP modules for completely inane reasons since Inferno!
Only pvp modules in the game are warp disruptors, until they let rats warp out.
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Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
150
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:28:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Sleeper AI on mission rats.
Mission rats do not have sleeper AI you utter utter moron. |
poppeteer
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.03.12 03:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Orlacc wrote:Since you are just back, try out the new Micro Jump Dive. Makes level 4s easy for a missile/sentry boat. Warp away, shoot, repeat. Highsec carebears: repurposing PVP modules for completely inane reasons since Inferno!
What's most amusing about that module is that it existed as a type property (warp to easymode range), and as a warp 'cheat', but was deemed 'OP' and removed from most missions and certainly from warp mechanics. Now every single battleship gets the optional ability every three minutes.
Re OP; fit the micro for now. Meanwhile play with fits for when you feel like scratching your eyes out. |
Tanuki Kittybeta
Sudden Buggery
Swift Angels Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.03.12 04:46:00 -
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can someone explain what the micro jump does? |
Galenwade
Shrubbery Acquisitions
203
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Posted - 2013.03.12 05:16:00 -
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Oxandrolone wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:Sleeper AI on mission rats. Mission rats do not have sleeper AI you utter utter moron.
Actually their AI was made from the Sleeper /incursion AI . it is not as nasty ... but it still hates drones
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73413 |
Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN
Sev3rance
76
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Posted - 2013.03.12 05:35:00 -
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Tanuki Kittybeta wrote:can someone explain what the micro jump does?
Micro Jump Drive |
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