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Touchin Myself
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:26:00 -
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Have not played in a good long while, logged in hopped in my raven and grabbed a level 4 mission. Went to the mission and was blown to hell and back a few minutes in... Had my hardeners and shield booster going and was just ripped to shreds.
So i pulled out my trusty domi, not much better. Had enough time to loot my wreck and scoot out before losing that ship too.
What exactly did i miss? Both of these are very straightforward ships to pilot with good tanks that have always handled level 4 missions fine now all of a sudden im getting eaten alive. |

Skorpynekomimi
471
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:29:00 -
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Sleeper AI on mission rats. |

Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
519
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:30:00 -
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Uh oh, game got harder! :o |

Eve Amada
Lightspeed Enterprises Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:33:00 -
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Remember which hardeners go with which mission?
Remember which ships are the triggers for next wave? |

Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
2207
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:33:00 -
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All NPCs have the updated AI now so there is now potential for you to have been overwhelmed by changed aggro mechanics.
You probably pulled full room aggro before you expected it.
Besides that the damage amounts haven't changed. The Drake is a Lie |

Alara IonStorm
4507
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Posted - 2013.03.11 16:40:00 -
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Pirates finally upgraded from fireworks and strobe lights to missiles and lasers. They realized they could not sustain a multi million Battleship pirate empire if every mission had a 100% casualty rate and no victories.
A pirate spokesman stated that next they were going to explore the possibility of drones, dmg mods, neuts, different ammo types and warp interdiction on every ship. There is also talk of letting their captains warp out in hull if they aren't scramed.
These new strategies stem from a new tactic the pirates have been trying called recruiting people who are not functionally ret@rded. Only time will tell if it is effective. |

Mathrin
Synthetic Solution Synthetic Systems
68
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Posted - 2013.03.11 17:44:00 -
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New AI wouldn't effect your raven if you were solo. I would look into other thugs mentioned here. Did you pull room aggro? Did you use the right type of hardeners? Are you just rusty? Knowing how long you have been goons would help pinpoint specific changes. |

Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
523
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Posted - 2013.03.11 18:14:00 -
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There have also been added a few new missions, which are a cut above the regular ones in difficulty level.
When those were first released, my trusty drake, which soloed just about any mission in it's sleep suddenly had to wake up and start doing some evasive maneuvering.
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Vincent Gaines
Double-Down Transmission Lost
303
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:07:00 -
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How was your Raven equipped? Many things have changed. |

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
254
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:15:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Pirates finally upgraded from fireworks and strobe lights to missiles and lasers. They realized they could not sustain a multi million Battleship pirate empire if every mission had a 100% casualty rate and no victories.
A pirate spokesman when asked what was next for modern piracy stated that they were going to explore the possibility of drones, damage mods, logistics, neuts, damage controls, different ammo types and warp interdiction on every ship. There is also talk of letting their captains warp out in hull if they aren't scrammed.
These strategies stem from a new plan the pirates have been trying out in which they recruit new people who are not mentally ret@rded. An advantage they have never had before now. Only time will tell if it is effective.
Had to quote. A like simply was not sufficient. This gets my vote for best post of the year.
No good deed goes unpunished |

Touchin Myself
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:46:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:How was your Raven equipped? Many things have changed.
Well its gone now but as i recall i started with this and its pretty close.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/27770-Perfect-Starter-Lv4-Mission-raven.html
It was a drone mission and there where a ton of drones but that was never a problem before in my drake maybe having to warp out once or twice but with my domi just aggroing everything and unleashing the drones was how i lived in level 4s for a while and this has never happened.
Last i really played was 2011. |

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2913
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:56:00 -
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Mathrin wrote:Knowing how long you have been goons would help pinpoint specific changes. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha funny typo ! XD |

Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
458
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Posted - 2013.03.11 19:58:00 -
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Touchin Myself wrote:It was a drone mission and there where a ton of drones but that was never a problem before in my drake maybe having to warp out once or twice but with my domi just aggroing everything and unleashing the drones was how i lived in level 4s for a while and this has never happened.
Last i really played was 2011.
There are some very nasty L4s. I lost a Domi in a drone mission (I wish I could remember the name), and when I came back the drones I'd left behind had shot all the triggers. There were probably a dozen battleships on field, and plenty of smaller support. I wound up getting through it in a Megathron cap-buddied with a friend's Nightmare, and even then we had to warp out twice.
Also, I'm not sure when the cruise missile nerf landed, but they're not able to hit anything small. The Raven is no longer the premiere mission boat, nor the premiere battleship. If anything it was nerfed so hard that hardly anyone flies them. if you fly Caldari, look at the Scorpion Navy Issue or the Tengu. The Domi is still a good mission boat, and a good all-around ship, but it's as skill-intensive as ever.
With some L4s, you want to have more than one ship. With some of them, you really want to be careful with triggers. EVE Survival is your friend.
[EDIT: See the "Missions & Complexes" subforum for more detailed help.] Malcanis, Ripard Teg, and Trebor Daehdoow for CSM 8
(I have three accounts, so why not?) |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4366
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:00:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:How was your Raven equipped? Many things have changed. "My Raven was equipped with the following..." Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |

Touchin Myself
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:30:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Touchin Myself wrote:It was a drone mission and there where a ton of drones but that was never a problem before in my drake maybe having to warp out once or twice but with my domi just aggroing everything and unleashing the drones was how i lived in level 4s for a while and this has never happened.
Last i really played was 2011. There are some very nasty L4s. I lost a Domi in a drone mission (I wish I could remember the name), and when I came back the drones I'd left behind had shot all the triggers. There were probably a dozen battleships on field, and plenty of smaller support. I wound up getting through it in a Megathron cap-buddied with a friend's Nightmare, and even then we had to warp out twice. Also, I'm not sure when the cruise missile nerf landed, but they're not able to hit anything small. The Raven is no longer the premiere mission boat, nor the premiere battleship. If anything it was nerfed so hard that hardly anyone flies them. if you fly Caldari, look at the Scorpion Navy Issue or the Tengu. The Domi is still a good mission boat, and a good all-around ship, but it's as skill-intensive as ever. With some L4s, you want to have more than one ship. With some of them, you really want to be careful with triggers. EVE Survival is your friend.
Hmm the whole reason i skilled up for the raven was because of how boring missioning is in the domi. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3548
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Vincent Gaines wrote:How was your Raven equipped? Many things have changed. "My Raven was equipped with the following..." Offucer Heavy Missile Lauchers. I am a nullsec zealot. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3719
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:39:00 -
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Touchin Myself wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:Touchin Myself wrote:It was a drone mission and there where a ton of drones but that was never a problem before in my drake maybe having to warp out once or twice but with my domi just aggroing everything and unleashing the drones was how i lived in level 4s for a while and this has never happened.
Last i really played was 2011. There are some very nasty L4s. I lost a Domi in a drone mission (I wish I could remember the name), and when I came back the drones I'd left behind had shot all the triggers. There were probably a dozen battleships on field, and plenty of smaller support. I wound up getting through it in a Megathron cap-buddied with a friend's Nightmare, and even then we had to warp out twice. Also, I'm not sure when the cruise missile nerf landed, but they're not able to hit anything small. The Raven is no longer the premiere mission boat, nor the premiere battleship. If anything it was nerfed so hard that hardly anyone flies them. if you fly Caldari, look at the Scorpion Navy Issue or the Tengu. The Domi is still a good mission boat, and a good all-around ship, but it's as skill-intensive as ever. With some L4s, you want to have more than one ship. With some of them, you really want to be careful with triggers. EVE Survival is your friend. Hmm the whole reason i skilled up for the raven was because of how boring missioning is in the domi. Using drones in mission isn't exactly boring anymore.  To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
459
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:47:00 -
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Touchin Myself wrote:Hmm the whole reason i skilled up for the raven was because of how boring missioning is in the domi.
I generally prefer a blaster Megathron for that exact reason. (If you can fly a T3, those make missions somewhat more fun as well--kite all the things!)
But that one mission suddenly became really exciting for the Domi...
Malcanis, Ripard Teg, and Trebor Daehdoow for CSM 8
(I have three accounts, so why not?) |

Darvaleth Sigma
202
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:48:00 -
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Doesn't "Raven" give it away? Hardly the most amazing ship in the universe, and with more intelligent AI and a rusty player (admitted being new after a while off), it's not beyond the imagination that the OP had just lost his edge a little. Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |

Orlacc
308
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:55:00 -
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Since you are just back, try out the new Micro Jump Dive. Makes level 4s easy for a missile/sentry boat. Warp away, shoot, repeat. "Measure Twice, Cut Once." |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
1301
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Posted - 2013.03.11 20:59:00 -
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If I ever go back to running missions, i am positive that it will take a while before I dare to take anything that haves the slightest chance of scrambling my ship. Haven't really run missions since early 2012 and i'm not just rusty, but I fear my fits are outdated (sp. as today micro jump drives are like standard for BS).
Reading the comments, it appears that my cruise Golem is a lost cause... The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4369
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:07:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Since you are just back, try out the new Micro Jump Dive. Makes level 4s easy for a missile/sentry boat. Warp away, shoot, repeat. Highsec carebears: repurposing PVP modules for completely inane reasons since Inferno! Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |

Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
523
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Orlacc wrote:Since you are just back, try out the new Micro Jump Dive. Makes level 4s easy for a missile/sentry boat. Warp away, shoot, repeat. Highsec carebears: repurposing PVP modules for completely inane reasons since Inferno!
Hey.. they Adapt.. much better than having them whine that missions are too hard or whatever..
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Jaezila
Vargas Girls
0
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:25:00 -
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After a three year hiatus, I came back and am running L4s in my Raven Navy Issue. The drone aggro changes were a bit unsettling at first, but I remembered to ALWAYS review Eve-Survival before fitting for any mission, and mission running is good again. It sounds like you were on one of the missions where each initial ship triggers a series of spawns. For those, as Eve-Survival makes clear, you have to be sure to take out just one spawn chain at a time. If you ever want a tip on missions in game, feel free to convo me. Good luck and welcome back! |

Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
354
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Orlacc wrote:Since you are just back, try out the new Micro Jump Dive. Makes level 4s easy for a missile/sentry boat. Warp away, shoot, repeat. Highsec carebears: repurposing PVP modules for completely inane reasons since Inferno!
Only pvp modules in the game are warp disruptors, until they let rats warp out.
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Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
150
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:28:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Sleeper AI on mission rats.
Mission rats do not have sleeper AI you utter utter moron. |

poppeteer
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.03.12 03:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Orlacc wrote:Since you are just back, try out the new Micro Jump Dive. Makes level 4s easy for a missile/sentry boat. Warp away, shoot, repeat. Highsec carebears: repurposing PVP modules for completely inane reasons since Inferno! What's most amusing about that module is that it existed as a type property (warp to easymode range), and as a warp 'cheat', but was deemed 'OP' and removed from most missions and certainly from warp mechanics. Now every single battleship gets the optional ability every three minutes.
Re OP; fit the micro for now. Meanwhile play with fits for when you feel like scratching your eyes out. |

Tanuki Kittybeta
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.03.12 04:46:00 -
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can someone explain what the micro jump does? |

Galenwade
Shrubbery Acquisitions
203
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Posted - 2013.03.12 05:16:00 -
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Oxandrolone wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:Sleeper AI on mission rats. Mission rats do not have sleeper AI you utter utter moron.
Actually their AI was made from the Sleeper /incursion AI . it is not as nasty ... but it still hates drones
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73413 |

Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
76
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Posted - 2013.03.12 05:35:00 -
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Tanuki Kittybeta wrote:can someone explain what the micro jump does? Micro Jump Drive |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
8097
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Posted - 2013.03.12 07:03:00 -
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Oxandrolone wrote:Skorpynekomimi wrote:Sleeper AI on mission rats. Mission rats do not have sleeper AI you utter utter moron.
They have a modified version of sleeper "AI". Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1098
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:27:00 -
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Changes:
1) All NPC frigates in missions now carry some form of special attack, and most often that means warp scramblers. Regardless of what your flying or what weapons you are using, enemy frigates are now your priority one targets, otherwise you'll end up scrambled and unable to escape when things go wrong. This is true in all level 4 missions and even a few level 3 missions as well.
2) All NPCs have been reprogrammed to attack your drones as priority one. Don't believe the lies CCP spooned about "rats only attack drones by size" because it's just that - lies. Every NPC, from the lowliest frigate to the largest battleship, will mass alpha any drone you put out there, from an integrated sentry to a tech 1 hobgoblin, the second you launch them.
This means that the only viable drone strategy left is to use sentry drones at long range and either: 2a) Use target painters/ECM to pull aggro back to your overtanked ship. 2b) Use micro-jump drives and omnilinks to constantly snipe them from over 60km away and micro-jump to a new hunting blind whenever they get closer than 20km.
3) Heavy drones no longer exist in the game. Their graphics are still there, and some residual traces of their presence still lingering in the market, but they are dead. Extinct. Irrelevant to anything. Swept into the dustbin of irrelevance.
4) Luckily for you the Dominix is ideal for this. Dominix + sentries is now the only viable drone boat strategy. 4a) CCP made these changes to the NPC AI in order to stop people from beating all the missions using a Dominix & sentries. 4b) The Fail was Strong with that patch. EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people. |

Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
34573
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Posted - 2013.03.12 09:29:00 -
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ME!  Thanks Zimmy!! <3 (Updated) |

Jany Gun
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.13 06:19:00 -
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I just came back after about a 2 year sleep and I feel like a n00b all over again... I dont know what the hell I'm doing.  |

Tub Chil
Last Men Standing
35
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Posted - 2013.03.13 06:52:00 -
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why don't you do LVL4-s in 900DPS HAM tengu?
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Touchin Myself
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.03.13 07:52:00 -
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Tub Chil wrote:why don't you do LVL4-s in 900DPS HAM tengu?
Sure mind throwing a few million skill points my way? |

Lutin Ballista
Ballista Investment Corp
53
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Posted - 2013.03.13 08:50:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Pirates finally upgraded from fireworks and strobe lights to missiles and lasers. They realized they could not sustain a multi million Battleship pirate empire if every mission had a 100% casualty rate and no victories.
A pirate spokesman when asked what was next for modern piracy stated that they were going to explore the possibility of drones, damage mods, logistics, neuts, damage controls, different ammo types and warp interdiction on every ship. There is also talk of letting their captains warp out in hull if they aren't scrammed.
These strategies stem from a new plan the pirates have been trying out in which they recruit new people who are not mentally ret@rded. An advantage they have never had before now. Only time will tell if it is effective.
This made me laugh. Thanks |

Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
581
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Posted - 2013.03.13 09:21:00 -
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Join goonswarm. I hear the rats dont shoot you then. they have +10 standings with all pirate factions. Hyperfleet Industries is selectivly recruiting. Enquire today. Killboard
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
2991

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Posted - 2013.03.13 09:32:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion. Spam and off-topic remarks were removed, please stay on topic and polite, thank you. CCP Phantom - Senior Community Representative - Volunteer Manager |
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Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Caldari Industrialist Association
7
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Posted - 2013.03.13 13:32:00 -
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Touchin Myself wrote:Have not played in a good long while, logged in hopped in my raven and grabbed a level 4 mission. Went to the mission and was blown to hell and back a few minutes in... Had my hardeners and shield booster going and was just ripped to shreds.
So i pulled out my trusty domi, not much better. Had enough time to loot my wreck and scoot out before losing that ship too.
What exactly did i miss? Both of these are very straightforward ships to pilot with good tanks that have always handled level 4 missions fine now all of a sudden im getting eaten alive. I am only six month old, so I am not sure what is was like back then....
If you screw-up 'agro' some mission pockets get really wild. |

Grombutz
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
50
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Posted - 2013.03.14 07:51:00 -
[41] - Quote
Use proper CNR + your brain and you are good. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3200
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Posted - 2013.03.17 02:50:00 -
[42] - Quote
Tanuki Kittybeta wrote:can someone explain what the micro jump does?
Johnny Pew's "Our EVE: Micro Jump Drive" video on YouTube should help.
The short version: activate the module and in a few seconds it will jump you about 100km directly forward in the direction your ship is facing. Then there's a cooldown before you can use the module again.
The advantage for sentry drone users is pretty darned obvious: MJD away from the battlefield, deploy drones, and the NPCs can aggro your drones all they want: won't help because the drones are 100km away and you have time to lock and shoot! Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Orlacc
326
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Posted - 2013.03.17 04:26:00 -
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Touchin Myself wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:Touchin Myself wrote:It was a drone mission and there where a ton of drones but that was never a problem before in my drake maybe having to warp out once or twice but with my domi just aggroing everything and unleashing the drones was how i lived in level 4s for a while and this has never happened.
Last i really played was 2011. There are some very nasty L4s. I lost a Domi in a drone mission (I wish I could remember the name), and when I came back the drones I'd left behind had shot all the triggers. There were probably a dozen battleships on field, and plenty of smaller support. I wound up getting through it in a Megathron cap-buddied with a friend's Nightmare, and even then we had to warp out twice. Also, I'm not sure when the cruise missile nerf landed, but they're not able to hit anything small. The Raven is no longer the premiere mission boat, nor the premiere battleship. If anything it was nerfed so hard that hardly anyone flies them. if you fly Caldari, look at the Scorpion Navy Issue or the Tengu. The Domi is still a good mission boat, and a good all-around ship, but it's as skill-intensive as ever. With some L4s, you want to have more than one ship. With some of them, you really want to be careful with triggers. EVE Survival is your friend. Hmm the whole reason i skilled up for the raven was because of how boring missioning is in the domi.
Yeah that Raven just zips around.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once." |

Osiris Andras
Intergalactic Space Maoris
0
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Posted - 2013.03.19 23:46:00 -
[44] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:Changes:
1) All NPC frigates in missions now carry some form of special attack, and most often that means warp scramblers. Regardless of what your flying or what weapons you are using, enemy frigates are now your priority one targets, otherwise you'll end up scrambled and unable to escape when things go wrong. This is true in all level 4 missions and even a few level 3 missions as well.
2) All NPCs have been reprogrammed to attack your drones as priority one. Don't believe the lies CCP spooned about "rats only attack drones by size" because it's just that - lies. Every NPC, from the lowliest frigate to the largest battleship, will mass alpha any drone you put out there, from an integrated sentry to a tech 1 hobgoblin, the second you launch them.
This means that the only viable drone strategy left is to use sentry drones at long range and either: 2a) Use target painters/ECM to pull aggro back to your overtanked ship. 2b) Use micro-jump drives and omnilinks to constantly snipe them from over 60km away and micro-jump to a new hunting blind whenever they get closer than 20km.
3) Heavy drones no longer exist in the game. Their graphics are still there, and some residual traces of their presence still lingering in the market, but they are dead. Extinct. Irrelevant to anything. Swept into the dustbin of irrelevance.
4) Luckily for you the Dominix is ideal for this. Dominix + sentries is now the only viable drone boat strategy. 4a) CCP made these changes to the NPC AI in order to stop people from beating all the missions using a Dominix & sentries. 4b) The Fail was Strong with that patch.
Well this is sure a lot of doom and gloom... 1) Pretty sure it's not all of them. And warp scramblers are rarer than other ECM. You're mistaking them for webs and for Guristas - TDs. Friagtes should have been high priority targets anyway - it's just common sense to take them out in 1 volley before they get under your guns.
2) Actually I have only ever seen a cruiser CHANGE aggro to my Hammerhead IIs once. If you send your drones into a cloud of enemies that are not aggro'd to you yet then yeah, even BS sized rats will attack them. Elite frigate however LOVE your drones - hence why you should blap them before they get under your guns and you need to use drones. If in a drone boat - blap the frigates first with your rails. You do have rails on your drone boat right?
3) Yeah ok I conceed this
4) Can't say I've flown a Domi since the change but you just need to adapt. It sucks. I agree (try flying primarily Guristas missions in Amarr ships...goddamn 80km TD range bullshite), but have a cup of concrete and harden the f*** up. 4a) Can you blame them. AFK mission farming in a Domi was pretty damn strong |
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