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Sushi Nardieu
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
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Posted - 2013.03.14 13:18:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:
Show me on the doll where I hurt you. GÖÑ
Edit: To late to go back to wow, the first small entities already agreed upon friendly skirmishs instead of no fights... Oh my god, fights that don't depend on your wallet, blasphemy :o
quoted.
The Guns of Knowledge-á |
Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.03.15 08:30:00 -
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Casirio wrote:Borlag Crendraven wrote:For all the "warnings" you are giving for people about C6's being the most dangerous of them all, yet it's mostly the C5's where the action is... Higher number of notable PVP'ing WH corps in there and as such the likelihood of good fights is higher there as well. there's also 5x as many c5s so I don't think thats a valid claim. and Jack, I agree you. that was the joke :P
This. The fact that there are 500 C5 systems and 100 C6 systems gives a limited resource style of play for C6s whereas C5s are so damn empty.
Svo. |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.03.15 09:02:00 -
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Svodola Darkfury wrote:Casirio wrote:Borlag Crendraven wrote:For all the "warnings" you are giving for people about C6's being the most dangerous of them all, yet it's mostly the C5's where the action is... Higher number of notable PVP'ing WH corps in there and as such the likelihood of good fights is higher there as well. there's also 5x as many c5s so I don't think thats a valid claim. and Jack, I agree you. that was the joke :P This. The fact that there are 500 C5 systems and 100 C6 systems gives a limited resource style of play for C6s whereas C5s are so damn empty. Svo.
Both have a ton of empty systems, but with the C5's you have much more variety in who you run into, which can be both good and bad depending on what you're doing of course. Overall I'd say that C5 and C6 are both at about equal level when it comes to danger to a corp that's capable of defending itself properly, for a pure farmer setup a C6 would be more dangerous I suppose. |
Richard Reveen
Funk On The Brain Research And Development
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2013.03.15 19:25:00 -
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After reading this post I am guessing that attempting to solo farm wormholes is suicide for someone that is not pretty well connected? Trying to make money, not lose a ship every other day, know what I mean? |
Chitsa Jason
Infinity Explorers
Exhale.
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Posted - 2013.03.16 04:14:00 -
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Richard Reveen wrote:After reading this post I am guessing that attempting to solo farm wormholes is suicide for someone that is not pretty well connected? Trying to make money, not lose a ship every other day, know what I mean?
Not really :)
Chitsa Jason for CSM 8
Twitter:-á@ChitsaJason
Skype: Casparas
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Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
162
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Posted - 2013.03.16 10:45:00 -
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Richard Reveen wrote:After reading this post I am guessing that attempting to solo farm wormholes is suicide for someone that is not pretty well connected? Trying to make money, not lose a ship every other day, know what I mean?
I thought i already replied to this post, maybe it got deleted or something who knows?
But it depends what you mean by solo?
If it means 1 character solo in a drake or something then yes its hard.
But if you have a Tengu + Noctis + Proper to yourself then you can easily roam around low class wormholes and safe the tengu if you're threatened and cloak noctis / proper |
Saveritas
Tri Corp Solutions
Invictus Void
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Posted - 2013.03.16 15:14:00 -
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If c4's suck, why am I making 200m / hour in them, solo? |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1224
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Posted - 2013.03.16 15:49:00 -
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Saveritas wrote:If c4's suck, why am I making 200m / hour in them, solo?
Depends on the goal. C4 sites are better than people give them credit in the isk per hour. Otherwise it depends on your goals. C4 are very isolated, which does make logistics more difficult. It also makes finding PVP generally more difficult. |
Domoso
Trimen Explorations
7
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Posted - 2013.03.16 17:19:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Saveritas wrote:If c4's suck, why am I making 200m / hour in them, solo? Depends on the goal. C4 sites are better than people give them credit in the isk per hour. Otherwise it depends on your goals. C4 are very isolated, which does make logistics more difficult. It also makes finding PVP generally more difficult.
PVP in a c4 is no more difficult than anywhere else. They have c1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 statics. Likewise, C2's, 4, 5, 6's static to them. Like any other system that doesn't static to kspace it's a matter of determination and probing/rolling the chain.
The only difficulty in finding PVP is the type of people living there. From what I've seen, mostly they're miners, farmers and they'll more likely pos up than fight. So, if you're in a c4 static to a c4, then yeah, you're likely going to have to roll that static more often to find pew. But I think the general "bad rep" that c4's have is purely based on it being the least populated aside from C6's.
Being in a system that statics to a C4, we're getting almost as much pew as we want and it's mostly coming from the c4's.
Fact is I've seen people work just as hard in other classes of w-space to find pew. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.03.16 17:23:00 -
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Domoso wrote:
Fact is I've seen people work just as hard in other classes of w-space to find pew.
Sad truth is that most EVE players are farmers, bears or just way too small to leave the POS.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
163
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:04:00 -
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Saveritas wrote:If c4's suck, why am I making 200m / hour in them, solo?
It depends what you mean by 'solo' if you are using 1 account and nothing else at 200m an hour that is fairly good i guess.
If however you are multiboxing then you're not really solo
Jack Milton has done cap escalations 'solo' with lots of accounts and was probably making 2.1bil per hour others in my corp are capable of this but doing this would be incredibly risky outside of AU timezone and ofc PvE is so boring that i dont know if anyone could do it alone
If you are in your c4 in a capital ship which i think you are probably farming sleepers in a carrier then you would be making alot more if you had your carrier in a c5 and were cap escalating.
If for example you duel boxed carrier and something else and ran sites with 3 people you would be making 700m an hour making your 200m/hour rubbish income in comparison |
UKBigWolf
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Posted - 2013.03.19 17:27:00 -
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Re: C1s
Other than the 'get used to wormholes with less hassle' business, I'd imagine they would be great for PI harvesting as well
Since all PI in WHs are of the highest value regardless of class if memory serves
But yea, other than that, can't really think of a thing |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
163
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:50:00 -
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UKBigWolf wrote:Re: C1s
Other than the 'get used to wormholes with less hassle' business, I'd imagine they would be great for PI harvesting as well
Since all PI in WHs are of the highest value regardless of class if memory serves
But yea, other than that, can't really think of a thing
Thanks Big wolf |
Mattalious
Critically Disrupted
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Posted - 2013.03.20 01:51:00 -
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Roime wrote:Domoso wrote:
Fact is I've seen people work just as hard in other classes of w-space to find pew.
Sad truth is that most EVE players are farmers, bears or just way too small to leave the POS.
C4s are the haunt of small corps, with only the occasional one which seems to go into double figures. The truth is C4s are good for those who want to make more ISK than in K-space, without being under the yolk of the bigger alliances. It's a double edged blade - more freedom for the small corps and potentially more ganking opportunities for those looking to PvP, weighed up against the possibility of being wiped out of W-space if it goes spectacularly **** up. You face the possibility like that happening because people decide to be dicks and spring an Interdictor, A large C5 corp has the capital and the numbers that no one is going to sit in K-Space for long, waiting to get back in. |
Bloody Wench
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Posted - 2013.03.23 10:11:00 -
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Quote:C4GÇÖs
They suck all round. Only an idiot would live in a C4 heres why:
You're an idiot. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc.
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2013.03.23 12:28:00 -
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C4's are good to hide in.
No one scans them or looks in them or even want to... . |
Duramah
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
12
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Posted - 2013.03.23 13:46:00 -
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Back in the day I used to live in a black hole c4 st c2. true story |
Illipsys
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
13
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Posted - 2013.03.23 23:51:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:We don't restrict our fights into WH's or k-space, we prefer w-space obviously but if the chain is quiet but useful otherwise and we have low's or null's to use and abuse, we do go out on roams. That said, http://stats.whkills.info/ is quite revealing with us as #1 in isk killed in w-space, with a number almost twice as big as the next two listed, Bite Me and Bitten... As those are essentially the same, we can look further and come up with the conclusion that we've killed more than the rest of top 5 combined in w-space. So uh about that...
the difference is we've lived in c5>c5 for quite some time, have experienced the nights of endless rolling with nothing to show for it, and while yes the same can be said for c6 statics - having experienced both, i can honestly say you 'find' more in c6 space but it isn't necessarily an opportunity for a fight due to previously mentioned reasons...people can't control their dreads  the likelyhood of rolling into an inhabited hole is just statistically more likely ( unless someone can prove me wrong here? )
p.s we killed more in w-space in jan/feb than ssc, you're good bro - oxy was just pointing out a difference in our play styles. |
DrBmN
Axial tilt
Malefic Aspects
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Posted - 2013.03.24 00:19:00 -
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Ethan Revenant wrote: If you live in a C4, your isk comes from your static. You don't treat it like a C5 or C6.
this |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
309
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:26:00 -
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Illipsys wrote:the difference is we've lived in c5>c5 for quite some time, have experienced the nights of endless rolling with nothing to show for it, and while yes the same can be said for c6 statics - having experienced both, i can honestly say you 'find' more in c6 space but it isn't necessarily an opportunity for a fight due to previously mentioned reasons...people can't control their dreads the likelyhood of rolling into an inhabited hole is just statistically more likely ( unless someone can prove me wrong here? ) p.s we killed more in w-space in jan/feb than ssc, you're good bro - oxy was just pointing out a difference in our play styles.
I guess the only real conclusion we can come up with is that it all boils down to your activity levels, be it in the C5 or C6. If you are actively looking to do stuff and kill stuff, then surprise surprise, you get to do and kill stuff. Due to the unpredictable nature of all w-space, you can't really get any more scientific than that :P |
Nox Arnoux
Aperture Harmonics
K162
9
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Posted - 2013.03.27 02:28:00 -
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Oxandrolone wrote:
C1GÇÖs
GÇóI donGÇÖt know why anyone lives here; if people reply to the thread with reasonable suggestions I will update this section.
C1 with a static low makes great drug labs. |
WInter Borne
Cold Station 12
Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2013.03.28 02:28:00 -
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Oxandrolone wrote:
C1GÇÖs
GÇóI donGÇÖt know why anyone lives here; if people reply to the thread with reasonable suggestions I will update this section.
GÇóThe exit wormholes from here have 1 bil mass and the biggest mass they can take is 20mGǪ. thatGÇÖs 50 battlecruiser passes, GÇÿaint nobody got time for datGÇÖ. If IGÇÖm wrong (and I might be) some wormholes might have 500m mass, thatGÇÖs still 25+ BCGÇÖs and almost nobody got time for dat.
GÇóI guess c1GÇÖs are really hard to evict someone from since BCGÇÖs are the biggest ship that can be brought it, even with the new tier 3 BCGÇÖs it still takes a long time to bring down a POS (I used to be in Narwhals and we often bashed them with BCGÇÖs and logi) itGÇÖs not fun and almost never worth it, only mega butthurt people used to pay us to evict somewon from a C1.
GÇóThe sites can be run with a single drake (but so can c3GÇÖs and c3GÇÖs give more isk) basically c3GÇÖs give same isk for farming in the same ship and c2GÇÖs give 2 statics with a static wormhole to farm in, this is why I donGÇÖt know why people live and farm isk in a c1 solo, this is a multiplayer game afterallGǪ
In my experience, it seems like most C1's are used primarily for industry, research, t3 production, and/or drug processing. The constant hi sec and limited max mass connections make it a pain to invade like you mentioned.
At the most extreme example, we found a couple guys who'd set up something like 12 large faction towers running alchemy reactions to produce tech. By our rough approximations they were making several billion a month in relatively passive income.
Just remember that if you make it a juicy enough target, people will find a way to destroy your sand castle. |
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