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Koda
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Posted - 2003.07.23 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Koda on 23/07/2003 19:46:12
This is a disappointing review from a magazine I generally respect.
I'll agree that most of the things they said were true; however, he missed the most important element in EVE IMHO - Corp. teamwork. The reviewer brushed it off. They either never joined a PC corp. or didn't get involved in the one they joined. EVE was designed to force players to work together.
Mining is tedious, but it's worth it for me to watch my bankroll grow. I get a real sense of accomplishment in getting that cruiser I've been saving for.
This isn't a game for people with short attention spans. EVE takes patience.
Read the IGN review instead:
http://pc.ign.com/articles/425/425535p1.html
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Fenris
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Posted - 2003.07.23 19:59:00 -
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"The object of the game is the same as in real life ū to mundanely accrue money in a monotonous way"
Obviously someone who hates his job.
Some people dont have enough imagination to find ways to enjoy their life. What hope do thay have in a mmorpg.
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DeTon8R
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Posted - 2003.07.23 21:52:00 -
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Went to the Newsagents today and saw the review in UK mag version. The reviewer seriously has no clue what so ever, he didnt even go into detail of the things you actually can do in the game. He just rattled on about how it takes ages to level up in the game to get anywhere and how it takes too long to make cash
and how it's not action packed!!!
I think he rated it somewhere like 55%!!
Errrrr HELLO ???
Mr Reviewer?
Do you realise this is an MMPORG and not a Freelancer clone!?!?!
This game was revieved inanother UK mag and got 90% - much closer the mark - i'd give it 90ish :)
Fool :)
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.23 22:08:00 -
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The problem that most of you are failing to recognize is this: The reviewers attitude and playstyle is very similar to that of the majority of the gaming public. Not everyone has hours to sit staring at an asteroid waiting for it to pop so he can recycle. Most people dont want to have to spend weeks trying to get in a ship that makes them competitive when by the time they have that ship, the bar has been raised once again.
Until the fanbois and the Devs realize that, games like Eve will never have the repeat success of UO (which at the time was the only game of its type and thus benefitted from cornering the market).
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Chagidiel
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Posted - 2003.07.23 23:20:00 -
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As I said, this game, is clearly not aimed for the majority of gaming public. Its aimed for the small adult, more mature gaming public.
Those of us, that like having a virtuel (since we cant afford having one in RL) corporation under us, that will function, even when im not around 24/7
Those of us that acctually prefer doing something fun in the game, rather then "kill enemy x 1000 times in order to get high skill" or "make useless object z 1000 times and then destroy it" to raise skill.
Those of us that have imagination to create something out of the extrem complex base CCP has suplyed us with, rather then have CCP tell/show us all the time exactly what we are suposed to do.
Those of us, that are in to the strategy of fighting, rather then the triggerhappiness.
Those of us that realizes that there are no such things as a "best ship" to use, but rather a best ship, completly depending on what you fight, how you fight against, who you fight with, what your function in that particulare battle will be and so on and so on.
Those of us enjoying the setting of the world, and all intrigues and chanses of roleplaying it creates.
Those of us, enjoying a real challenge, rather then have it all served on a plate right in front of us.
Those of us, enjoy the game, and I do think we are in minority of the gaming community, since the gaming community in average is about 13-18 years old.
But I think CCP is somewhat aware of this, since they has created a game, for this audience, and not for the majority of gamers in the world.
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Darksheer
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Posted - 2003.07.23 23:30:00 -
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Its PC-Lamer what do you expect ccp probably only sent them a box instead of a free computer with the client installed
to ensure a high rating like so many others do
the score sounds about right the game needs work but what game doesnt?
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CashMoney
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Posted - 2003.07.23 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: CashMoney on 23/07/2003 23:40:36
Its obvious whoever reviewed the game didnt actually play Eve. Sure maybe he flew around for a day and mined a few asteroids, but he never actually PLAYED the game. This is what they mean when they say, "dont judge a book by its cover". Thats exactly what the review did. A classic example of why I never ever pay attention to reviews wether it has to do with movies or games or whatever it may be.
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Ctaesis
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Posted - 2003.07.23 23:40:00 -
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Two Words: sig worthy
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.24 00:17:00 -
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Those of us, enjoy the game, and I do think we are in minority of the gaming community, since the gaming community in average is about 13-18 years old.
Trends Today, Insights for Tomorrow, IDC's 2001 Videogame Survey. 2001 is a bit old, I know. But the average age found was 21.1. PC Gamer's Demographics are far more interesting. The average age of their readers is 30.
People ***** me up...
A reviewer gives a product they like a bad review and they immediately rail about how the reviewer didn't use it this way. Or the reviewer didn't use it enough. Or the reviewer failed to imagine the possibilities. Or that the reviewer isn't as sophisticated as they are.
He's a reviewer. He reports what he sees, not what you see. He goes by his tastes, not yours. But in the end, he represents one person's opinion. Just like you do. Nobody ever said the 2 opinions had to agree. And nobody said either opinion was wrong.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Zeknichov
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Posted - 2003.07.24 01:13:00 -
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I'm sorry to say I must agree with most of the article. I havenĘt logged on EVE in almost a week I'm so bored. Pirating is worthless, fighting is bugged more-so then some believe. Mining and trading have no risk involved unless you get caught by a thief or exploiter. The game is boring. I'm not going to unsubscribe yet because I hope they will eventually fix it but this article hit it dead on. In fact I havenĘt played a fun "Second Generation" mmorpg yet.
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Candela
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Posted - 2003.07.24 05:06:00 -
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The game is boring because CCP was not able to implement all the content. They also did not anticapate the utterly lightning speed with which players progressed in the game. That being said, patience in this game is a must, if you don't have it then any MMORPG will never work for you.
They hit the nail on the head about many things in that review; since that is the current state of affairs in game. Once the game has more content then they'll probably do another review and depending on the quality of the content their opinions will change. |
Pyroe
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Posted - 2003.07.24 06:10:00 -
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Dam hit cntrl and lost my post.Try again.
My favourite post so far is this one
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"Yah I love how people review the game on around a Month of play. Last time I check that means your still a n00b, and as everyone know being a n00b does suck."
About the time the game was live a month a similar review came out (better in fact) and the cry was "what did the guy even play the game? A day or two? Now a reviewer is not even allowed to play a whole month before they write thier review."
Even if the reviewer played since beta you would still say he played a day or two and wrote the review.
This review is SPOT ON with no bullsh*t. Play the damb game with the fanboi blinders off for a change. Maybe the guy played since beta and since CCP pays nothing to advertise in thier Mag at least you can say it's a somewhat honest review.
Magazines are advertising folks. Do you think a mag would even dare speak thier mind if it meant hurting thier bottom line? If CCP could afford to advertise of course all the reviews would be glorious. Noones is going to sh*t on thier paycheck lol. Thats the bottom line.
So yes in the end good reviews for crap products are the norm provided you pad the budget with your advertising dollar. HELLO!!!!
What we have here at least is an unbiased review of a game. Unless you figure "hey they aren't paying us for advertising so lets crap all over them." Now there's a way to get them to advertise isn't it?
The nail has been hit on the head. It's -I'll say it agian- SPOT ON.
EVE and the US market just got buried. Not much will ever dig it back up. But yet there is hope, not much left but it's there.
Perhaps it's time to dig into that budget and get this review retracted too, it still wont save it if the game doesn't come around soon.
Jash said in a past post that box sales won't save this puppy, online subscribers will and if the average Joe won't stick around past the first month it's DEAD.
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Chagidiel
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Posted - 2003.07.24 07:29:00 -
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Review always is untrustworthy, since its only a one humans opinion, and conmputergames reviews in particulare, since theire reviewers in many cases even lack proper education.
People know this (though, i live in Eurpoe, so I maybe should say, people in Europe knows this) as well as the corporations bribeing of the paper.
Swedish PC gamer wrote about how a corporation told them, that the only way they would ever get first hand information about Max pain 2, was if they did certain things.
In this particulare case, the bribe/blackmail was turned down, due to the current board of that paper, but considering how many cases of bribes, we do not know of, its common sense to never read a review and belive in it.
And inteligent people know this.
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WolfA4
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Posted - 2003.07.24 09:15:00 -
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"The audience of this game (most being in age 24+) are educated enough, and got life exeriences enough, to know that a review is as trustworthy as a wolf walking in to a meatstore, promising he will behave."
hey man that was the owners fault not mine! he provoked me i swear!
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.07.24 09:35:00 -
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EVE has grown on me therefore I'm obliged to be a little biased. I've been playing EVE since the launch and there are lots of things that are still wrong with this game so I feel the review was very close to the mark, we're lucky he didn't talk about the bugs. It will hurt EVE and that's potentially another 1500 or 2000 subscribers that wont pick up the game when they pass by their local computer game store.
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outfctrl
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Posted - 2003.07.24 10:38:00 -
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I like the game no matter what any review says.
you dont have to have your eyes glued to the screen all the time. Training is my favorite. I got so sick of repetitive killing and clicking to gain experience.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.07.24 11:21:00 -
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Pyroe -
Your obviously a very cynical person if you think reviews and advertising have a such a direct relationship like that.
Accuse me of being naive if you want but I actually work in Public Relations so I spend a lot of time trying to get positive stories and reviews of my clients products and you know what...if I even suggested to any self respecting editor or journalist that they would be financially rewarded (directly or via advertising) for a good review/write up you could almost guarantee there and then that they wouldn't even review the product.
Now this is in the UK (so maybe we are more upstanding and honest than the media in other countries) but I have also dealt with US media and I certainly didnt get the impression that they are as corrupt as you indicate.
Being a cynic is easy...It's always easy to assume that something dodgy is going on behind the scenes than deal with the fact that most journalists are actually honest! (Even if that doesn't necessarily make them right all the time!)
I also fundammetally disagree with you statement that a single bad review of EVE has doomed the game in the US market...that is a bit melodramatic don't you think?
Most gamers I know are not idiots and will normally read multiple reviews across many magazine and websites before making a decision to buy a game.
I personally heard about it through word of mouth but then searched many gaming interenet sites and magazines to get further information before deciding EVE was the game for me.
I sincerely doubt that all Americans are sheep that will ignore the game on the strength of this review. I have also seen many American gaming sites which absolutely rave about the game.
As other people have pointed out no single review can be taken as the word of God. It all depends on the reviewers own subjective likes and dislikes, his mood when he writes the article and his particular experience when he tried the game - all of which can be different from review to review. As an intelligent (I hope) person it is therefore up to you to make an informed decision about what you buy and that means doing some homework. In the case of EVE the overwhelming majority of reviews I read have had a positive slant. Magazines such as Edge in the UK (who are particularly known for their subjective unbiased reviews) have given the game great write ups.
I personally think this review is harsh... Yes he has somethings right but there are other areas he missed completely. Eve does have its problems, bugs and griefers that are extremely frustrating sometimes but it also has elements that are pure genius too.
The nice thing about this game is it is evolving all the time and CCP have created a structure that is so open ended that there is potentially no end to the evolution possible.
Therefore any review (positive or negative) based on a limited timeframe playing the game cannot possibly be accurate - all it can do is provide a flavour.
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Shyuka Nagumo
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Posted - 2003.07.24 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Shyuka Nagumo on 24/07/2003 11:33:18
I bought EVE the day after its UK release, and spent a great deal of my time playing it. I had nearly 2 weeks off sick from work at one point and was online all day every day.
I've done all things in the game so far except pirate (considering) and bounty hunting (also considering)..EVE has loads of promise, but I have to say I agree with most of the review. EVE is beautifully done but feels empty - the promise of things to come does not make what we have now good.
My bottom line? This game is so much less than it was at release (though it has slightly more 'content'). Space was dangerous. Pirates were dangerous. It took more than 8 hours mining/ 1 trade run to get a cruiser, ffs. It felt more *fun*. Now I just dont know.... 
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Rhonstet
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Posted - 2003.07.24 11:53:00 -
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I find this review disturbing because it seems so incomplete. Reading the review, it looks like the reviewer played the game for maybe eight hours, then decided to review the latest FPS before he was distracted by something shiny.
See, I think the reviewer missed a key point entirely, and that's why I suggest most readers hold this article in slight contempt.
If there is a single defining quality of EVE, I would say, "Big." In more then just the astronomical sense: the roles people can take are pretty varied.
This review seems to miss that point entirely. Rather then focus on the multitude of roles, the reviewer seems to think of the size as a problem rather then an opportunity. Instead of looking for a role, or defining his own, the reviewer seems to have expected a role to be inflicted on him.
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semp
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Posted - 2003.07.24 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: semp on 24/07/2003 12:34:29
Well a US game mag gave it 55% and said it was to difficult and scary. Yet two UK mag's gave it 90% (PC Gamer) and 88% (PC Zone) and loved the fact this it was so huge and imersive. Hell PC Zone (best games mag ever imho) have even run a 2 page special this month on how to get started in eve. There main mmorpg dude there whop was a huge evequest fan (Hey were not all perfect) cant seem to stop playing it either.
nuff said
Semp
p.s for the record PCZone also reviewed SWG this month, got 67% everquest in space is about the bext they could say :p
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Endyl
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Posted - 2003.07.24 12:33:00 -
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Bah somehow it's still better than the french magazine Joystick...
They made a general MMORPG review lately.
And naturally EVE was inexistant, they only spoke of the well known major ones made by the well known major companies who pay them for full pages of publicity campains.
Joystick have only spoken of Asheron Calls every month for years as it was the only MMORPG in the world (they got Micro$oft shoes licking skill level 5), that explan why AC is so common in france.
Very lately they discovered that Everquest and some others exists too, that's probably becaues Ubi Soft got involved in it, but still they can't see the smallest challengers... they are too small to leave an image on the retina you know...
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.07.24 13:26:00 -
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Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaha !! 
/me 'warps to desktop'
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Plasmatique
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Posted - 2003.07.25 16:58:00 -
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Thats almost as misinformed as the first gamespot reveiw, they retracted that didnt they, plasma, whats the email address to write to their editor?
[email protected]
Already sent mine. We'll see what happens I guess.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.25 17:47:00 -
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[email protected]
Already sent mine. We'll see what happens I guess.
They'll print it in the interest of providing a contrasting viewpoint, taking you with the upmost seriousness they can...publically. In the office, they're prolly already laughing their asses off.
They're not going to waste space retracting a review. Unlike Gamespot, republishing a new review costs them actual money in printing and lost space. A couple hundred irate fans of a MMOG they just got done semi-thrashing (PC Gamer has been known to rate lower) aren't going to make them spend money to please you.
And you'll note that even Gamespot's "retraction" only improved the score marginally and changed Eve's stability rating. None of the core issues the original review had changed. They were just better explained.
Seriously people, if you can say to people that complain here on these forums that they have no rights and can't complain over 12.95 and other fun things...What makes you think that a couple hundred fans of a game out of the (at last figures I saw) 345,000 subscribers at 24.95 per year (I think is their subscription rate) can push them?
Oh, just one more thought:
PC Gamer is a subsidiary of Ziff Davis Publishing. Guess who else is? I'll give you a hint: starts with the word 'Game' and ends in the word 'spot'.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Shock
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Posted - 2003.07.25 17:47:00 -
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The game is boring because CCP was not able to implement all the content
Well there is an understatement to be remembered by.
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Nibarlan
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Posted - 2003.07.25 17:52:00 -
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most of the stuff in that review was right on the spot or maybe a lil to the left to th spot...
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