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Body Count
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Posted - 2005.08.21 03:23:00 -
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I've seen people accusing each other of using these forums as propaganda. As a weapon to demoralize enemies. Split them apart. Have any wars been decided here on the forums instead of in space? Has one corp or alliance been able to use the forums to make their enemies give up? How important are these forums anyway?
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.08.21 03:24:00 -
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Their important for us people stuck at work to get entertainment from EVE away from EVE.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2005.08.21 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: SengH Their important for us people stuck at work to get entertainment from EVE away from EVE.
LOL Segh I think you just Discovered the Secret to Forum Whoring .. It. It.. It ALL makes sense now 
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Abdalion

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Posted - 2005.08.21 03:40:00 -
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There are definitely some passionate discussions on the forums.
And, I have seen wars start, enemies made, friends made, and wars end on these forums.
No discussing moderation in this thread or anywhere on the boards, and no trolling or war starting tonight. This appears to be a valid question, so please only post decent responses. --
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TjanitN Tcroxlr
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Posted - 2005.08.21 04:46:00 -
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Abdalion, do you see how dead topics become when you place such stringent conditions on posters? I mean, just because you swore an oath to serve and protect, does that mean you have to enforce rules? :P
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2005.08.21 04:57:00 -
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My work blocks the eve forums, sucks tbh :|
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OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2005.08.21 06:16:00 -
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Well ive emailed this guy,Hilmar V. Petursson,head of CCP.
Moderation on these boards is a joke.
Chicks dig Brutors Brutors dig for Amarrians.
i mayv or may nit abe a bit drunk-parMizan. zm wtf dfruinken downlaodfinm-parMizan.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.21 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar My work blocks the eve forums, sucks tbh :|
Try a little something called the Coral Cache. Google it. -- Proud member of the [23].
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Hoozin
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Posted - 2005.08.21 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Body Count I've seen people accusing each other of using these forums as propaganda. As a weapon to demoralize enemies. Split them apart. Have any wars been decided here on the forums instead of in space? Has one corp or alliance been able to use the forums to make their enemies give up? How important are these forums anyway?
As Abdalion said, wars have started and ended right here (kinda, there's a lot more to it than that though).
The forum propoganda is never the deciding factor in full scale alliance wars. All wars are decided on the morale of the opposing factions. Sitting here and reading these forums can lead to a future of uncertainty when a side can see how badly it's doing. Propoganda also goes the other way, showing off so that everybody that's on your side can read these and say, "Hey, we rock." Somewhere in the middle is usually the truth, and you'll never find it on a killboard. --------------------------------- Carebears are cooler than you.
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Hoozin
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Posted - 2005.08.21 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Abdalion No discussing moderation in this thread or anywhere on the boards, and no trolling or war starting tonight. This appears to be a valid question, so please only post decent responses.
Why do you insist on making our collective lives so difficult.
Moderation 4TL (sorry, couldn't resist) --------------------------------- Carebears are cooler than you.
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The Praetor
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Posted - 2005.08.21 07:23:00 -
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Unfortunately, since so many people make threats and declare war because of the forums, we have a lot of alts who post on the forums instead. So the number of alt posters should give you an idea of how critical the forums are to foriegn policy. |

Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.08.21 07:40:00 -
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Maybe I should start charging isk per post.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.08.21 07:40:00 -
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meh i post on the forums caus eim starved for attention could realy careless what people say or do, I just like shouting hey look at me I'm cool.
DJ shows his true feelings. James Kavourias > just need a **** break soon:P dj lightning > let me know when and i will hold |

Ku'Gras
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Posted - 2005.08.21 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: SengH Their important for us people stuck at work to get entertainment from EVE away from EVE.
Quoted for truth for using the currently most popular phrase in this forum.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.08.21 07:50:00 -
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Well, heres to me hoping I still have some freedom of speech:
Not that I'm discussing moderators or their ways.. but back in the day the forums were a lot more full of backstab, hatred and propaganda. There used to be regular accusations of hacking, cheating and exploiting (hell even threats of law suit).. which I guess isn't really IC but then again, thats why we have an IC forum too.
Huge and "passionate" posts (a la Jade vs Halseth) used to start entire wars, not because of the thread starter but the way things progressed towards the end. I think 99% of those threads ended up locked, but it was well after the flaming had occured. Eventually all the ****starters got banned or nearly banned (and are being good boys and girls). Some still try to do it from alts, but no one takes those seriously.
As a result, forums aren't even half as violent (and thus interesting) as they used to be. I'd be a pretty big liar if I didn't say it has a lot to do with game mechanics and not just the tolerance level for heated threads.
Its like a race.. at the start everyone wants to be in front, so they start flinging crap at other runners or run to the "moral high ground". Being able to come on here and say "we just nuked ten of your battleships" and then providing proof was the holy grail or something. People can afford to lose hundreds of ships now instead of a dozen. Making those kinds of claims now gets you laughed at.
So to answer the original post: yes wars have started here, and finished here, but the forums didn't mean a damn thing over ingame actions then, and they mean even less now. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.08.21 08:13:00 -
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Just about every post made here and in some other forums is propaganda. rarely will you find a truthful, unbiased, objective post. And even if there was one, it would be covered under a pile of lies so thick, that you would never notice. These forums are filled with flames, flamebait, trolling, and basically useless posts. The only times I would consider it actual usefull propaganda if its the first post in the thread, the rest is all to save face or to flame/troll someone or counter-propaganda, usually. Also I think its pretty impossible for any outsiders to a thread to get 100% facts out of a particular thread. But one thing is for certain, it does get pretty entertaining at times.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.08.21 10:15:00 -
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Is propaganda on an 'out of character' forum really appropriate? That is largely where i think alot of flaming comes from..
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.08.21 10:49:00 -
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there's no point denying that most posts here ooze propaganda... but that's what makes thinks interesting 
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.08.21 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 21/08/2005 10:53:14 There is no out of character in Eve or anywhere on the Eve forums except for technical discussion. As far as I am concerned at least.
I simply adore propaganda tbh. And yes, it's effects are greater then most people realise.
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Dallenn
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Posted - 2005.08.21 11:43:00 -
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No doubt many people would try to gain the high ground with propaganda on OOC forums, but I find intelligent propaganda on IC forums to be much more interesting.
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Quisten
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Posted - 2005.08.21 12:57:00 -
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I made a April-Fools Troll/Post/etc. that almost had DB Preacher from [RKK] war dec'ing the CVA. Or that's what I was told anyway, how's that? 
hehe
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.08.21 13:00:00 -
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There are no BoB in outer Ring!
My vids and random stuff
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Tootie
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Posted - 2005.08.21 13:25:00 -
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Propaganda is a critical component of any strategy. It damages the morale of the enemy and serves to bolster public opinion in your favor.
To neglect using (dis)information is to deny yourself a vital tool of warfare.
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2005.08.21 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Abdalion There are definitely some passionate discussions on the forums.
And, I have seen wars start, enemies made, friends made, and wars end on these forums.
No discussing moderation in this thread or anywhere on the boards, and no trolling or war starting tonight. This appears to be a valid question, so please only post decent responses.
So you know who this alt is then 
various mails to the ccp mod mail address, have led to no... well replies.
/emote gets tongue ready
Come on big boy :)
Seriously, MOD's please start using some kind of 'equal' moderation.
/emote waves before the ban...
check the bottom of my sig :)
Don't hate me for speaking the truth! You know it makes sense.
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2005.08.21 13:56:00 -
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Btw the above post was not meant to mean anyharm to this thread... just needed to post somewhere where this 'mod' posted :)
Don't hate me for speaking the truth! You know it makes sense.
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Nifel
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Posted - 2005.08.21 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Quisten I made a April-Fools Troll/Post/etc. that almost had DB Preacher from [RKK] war dec'ing the CVA. Or that's what I was told anyway, how's that? 
hehe
That thread was ace. Too bad Zhuge deleted all the replies :(.
"We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." |

Kin Oreyn
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Posted - 2005.08.21 14:56:00 -
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I think propaganda makes for an interesting read as long as it stays in character. Propaganda is a psychological weapon, but it can't win wars on its own. Even so, people care about how they are perceived by everyone else, so it's perfectly natural for morale to be effected, members not logging in as often, taking a break, or just going off to do their own thing etc.
I think it's fair to say no war has ever been won on the forums alone.
The best propaganda also happens to be the truth.
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Jonkai
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Posted - 2005.08.21 15:01:00 -
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Yes there is forum propaganda!
Don't hate me for speaking the truth! You know it makes sense.
The truth hurts... grow some balls.
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Body Count
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Posted - 2005.08.21 16:02:00 -
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Thanks for the replies. I love when I'm able to ask a question like that and get valid answers with no flames. One of the things I love about Eve is the maturity level of the players. None of that "You stole my ******* cloudsong!" mess here.
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Abdalion

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Posted - 2005.08.21 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: TjanitN Tcroxlr Abdalion, do you see how dead topics become when you place such stringent conditions on posters? I mean, just because you swore an oath to serve and protect, does that mean you have to enforce rules? :P
The rules are in place for a reason.
There is nothing wrong with us moderators asking for civility in discussion pursuant to people obeying the rules. There are many ways that one can stay well within the rules, and still get their point across. There are numerous near-daily posters on all sides of a debate that we all see posting in emotionally charged threads, who appear to have mastered staying within the rules.
People can challenge one another here, and can discuss things relevant to the original topic of the thread and forum in which the thread resides, without going into name calling and derailing another persons/factions/alliances/corporations thread.
A good rule of thumb is: If the original post is flamebait, don't post in it. If someone starts flaming you, don't reply. Instead, email [email protected] and ask us to look at it, and we will, as soon as someone is available. We really do want to facilitate proper discussion.
And yes, to answer your original question, we moderators do enforce the rules.
Now Please, no more discussion of moderation.
Thanks! --
I ♥ You.... ® Shepherd of the [23] |
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TjanitN Tcroxlr
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Posted - 2005.08.21 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: TjanitN Tcroxlr on 21/08/2005 23:10:21 My apologies, Sir. my comments were intended to be tougne in cheek. I would say how much I respect...certain people...but that would be in direct violation of....a request made by one of those people.
Back on topic. Propoganda,like any other tool, can be devastating to the enemy when used by a skilled artisan, and to it's user if not used skillfully. Effective propoganda is effective because at first glance, and sometimes even with careful scrutiny, it doesnt seem to be propoganda. Any post that is obviously propoganda will either be totally ignored, and therefore renderred impotent, or will backfire on it's user.
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Masken
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Posted - 2005.08.21 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Abdalion
The rules are in place for a reason.
There is nothing wrong with us moderators asking for civility in discussion pursuant to people obeying the rules. There are many ways that one can stay well within the rules, and still get their point across. There are numerous near-daily posters on all sides of a debate that we all see posting in emotionally charged threads, who appear to have mastered staying within the rules.
People can challenge one another here, and can discuss things relevant to the original topic of the thread and forum in which the thread resides, without going into name calling and derailing another persons/factions/alliances/corporations thread.
A good rule of thumb is: If the original post is flamebait, don't post in it. If someone starts flaming you, don't reply. Instead, email [email protected] and ask us to look at it, and we will, as soon as someone is available. We really do want to facilitate proper discussion.
And yes, to answer your original question, we moderators do enforce the rules.
Now Please, no more discussion of moderation.
Thanks!
NO WAY Abd!!!! You are not allowed to have a discussion about forum moderation here!!! SHAME ON YOU!! Email [email protected] with questions or discussions about moderation.
Thanx //Masken
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Taurequis
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Posted - 2005.08.22 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Taurequis on 22/08/2005 02:14:25 Hey there,
These forums are indeed a mightly weapon of propaganda. Free press with little or no ability to screen for lies and miss interpretations. During the Curse v Stain war there were vast amounts of incidences of media manipulation. The stratigies adopted however were very different.
The unfortunate nature of these forums is the flamebait trash talk it often falls down to. But its always nice to present a thought out response with a heart felt message to counter a bias and ill informed opinion.
Here is one i spent time on recently. Which is a statement my opinion and experience, but could be seen as positive propaganda for the Stain cause at the same time.
Posted in the Roleplay Forums - IC replys only pls...
Most experienced alliance ceo's will know to see through these boards and listen to the pilots on the front line. Their warriors and fighters who know what it is to commit to a cause.
Best Regards,
Taurequis
Orator (Retired) Empire Logistics
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.08.22 03:58:00 -
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Underestimate the power of the forums at your peril.
Whilst there is no substitute for organisational and combat skills in-game, a few well placed posts can augment in-game achievements tenfold, or turn attention to certain events and diminish the importance of others.
Additionally the competent reader, can from these very forums, work out what makes certain entities tick, and certain others fume. Reading in-between the lines one can achieve a very good overview of what is happening in Eve at any one time.
Worth remembering also is that some are addicted to the forums, not necessarily posting, but reading them, specially whiling away boring hours at work etc... and what they read on the forums may have a direct effect on their mindset once they log onto the game. I know this from my own experience, having working myself up to a frenzy after reading certain things on these forums.
Wether we like it or not these eve-online forums can have a huge impact on the game itself, this is an undeniable fact, even in these days of capital ships and neverending supply of BS's.
The moderators themselves do a fantastic and also difficult job it has to be said, and are extremely smart with their moderation, like sheppards attending the flock 
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Baun
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Posted - 2005.08.22 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Body Count Have any wars been decided here on the forums instead of in space?
Given that most people who read this forum use it as their only source for information about things they aren't directly involved in, most wars are fought and won almost exclusively on the forums. That is part of the reason that this is all such a farce.
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Paladineguru
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Posted - 2005.08.22 05:23:00 -
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i use them because in the game im too busy shooting at people to talk or express any point of view
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Phoenicia
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Posted - 2005.08.22 08:39:00 -
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I would refer to the oh... SEVEN .5. vs FSA threads on these very boards as proof that yes, propaganda is a very valid and useful tool, and those who master it have an edge in-game.
That being said, the Lunar Dawn, in a brilliant strategic move have moved into .5. territory and have taken over Scalding Pass. All trespassers will be shot on sight, and our mighty fleet of stealth bombers is there to enforce our control over the region 
I wonder if it¦s possible for an alliance to ¦take over¦ a region by mere smoke & mirrors on the forums. Think War of the Worlds-like scenarios, where one posts with such intellect and deviousness that people actually believe an alliance to be in control, when they are really nowhere near the ¦contested¦ region...
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TjanitN Tcroxlr
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Posted - 2005.08.22 18:00:00 -
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See also this recent thread on the Crime and Punishment section. Was i really trying to remain neutral? Was BUTT really guilty of all the crimes...any of the crimes...others on that thread accused them of? One cannot deny that the thread itself rallied massive support for the underdog and directly effected the outcome, not only of the war, but of BUTT's existance, and FNLN's reputation.
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S3VYN
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Posted - 2005.08.22 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces Underestimate the power of the forums at your peril.
Whilst there is no substitute for organisational and combat skills in-game, a few well placed posts can augment in-game achievements tenfold, or turn attention to certain events and diminish the importance of others.
Additionally the competent reader, can from these very forums, work out what makes certain entities tick, and certain others fume. Reading in-between the lines one can achieve a very good overview of what is happening in Eve at any one time.
Worth remembering also is that some are addicted to the forums, not necessarily posting, but reading them, specially whiling away boring hours at work etc... and what they read on the forums may have a direct effect on their mindset once they log onto the game. I know this from my own experience, having working myself up to a frenzy after reading certain things on these forums.
Wether we like it or not these eve-online forums can have a huge impact on the game itself, this is an undeniable fact, even in these days of capital ships and neverending supply of BS's.
The moderators themselves do a fantastic and also difficult job it has to be said, and are extremely smart with their moderation, like sheppards attending the flock 
From one old-timer to another, signed with the maximum allowable emphasis. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be. |

Tbone
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Posted - 2005.08.23 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist Well, heres to me hoping I still have some freedom of speech:
Not that I'm discussing moderators or their ways.. but back in the day the forums were a lot more full of backstab, hatred and propaganda. There used to be regular accusations of hacking, cheating and exploiting (hell even threats of law suit).. which I guess isn't really IC but then again, thats why we have an IC forum too.
Huge and "passionate" posts (a la Jade vs Halseth) used to start entire wars, not because of the thread starter but the way things progressed towards the end. I think 99% of those threads ended up locked, but it was well after the flaming had occured. Eventually all the ****starters got banned or nearly banned (and are being good boys and girls). Some still try to do it from alts, but no one takes those seriously.
As a result, forums aren't even half as violent (and thus interesting) as they used to be. I'd be a pretty big liar if I didn't say it has a lot to do with game mechanics and not just the tolerance level for heated threads.
Its like a race.. at the start everyone wants to be in front, so they start flinging crap at other runners or run to the "moral high ground". Being able to come on here and say "we just nuked ten of your battleships" and then providing proof was the holy grail or something. People can afford to lose hundreds of ships now instead of a dozen. Making those kinds of claims now gets you laughed at.
So to answer the original post: yes wars have started here, and finished here, but the forums didn't mean a damn thing over ingame actions then, and they mean even less now.
Digi, you sum'd it up great. Thanks go to you for helping others that didnt get to read all those fun flamefested threads. -----------------------------------------------
Unholy Killboard
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Mechanix
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Posted - 2005.08.23 00:13:00 -
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Good post DC.
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Lebela
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Posted - 2005.08.23 14:54:00 -
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I think these forums give friends, and or enemies a chance to talk about things they couldn't normally do in game, ie: trying to stay alive or insta to a gate. IMO there is as much smack talk on these forums as there is in game. Just that there is no one to moderate the smack talk in game, unless your CEO or fleet commander is telling you to STFU in local on TS. The forums could be looked at as a tool for peace or war, but in game all decisions are either made with a talk in a channel, TS, or at the end of your guns.
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