EVE Search - Reduce Thoraxes bay to 100m3

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Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2005.08.25 14:14:00 - [1] Oh thats so nice, you little crybabies nerfed the entire Caldari line and now you are after Gallente lol. Ok lets do it then just because we must all be Ammar. When you remove rof from gankgeddon and zealot, when you fix the silly 3000 (from 1 single gun lol) dmg of the projectiles, when you fix the silly claw AF (yes AF if it can equip full rack of guns and plate to have 1100 hp armour) when you gimp the immortal armour tank of the apoc, in fact when you actually make shield tank as cap efficient as armour tanking (or close), when you give caldari a reward for training HAC instead of the ridicule of HAC trying to ouitsnipe BS with 4 M turrets against 6-8 L turrets, when you make a Moa as durable as a maller and -finally- when you fix the missles so that drones become again a second rate anti frig weapon, theeeeeen come back here to argue your case. Until then LOCK THIS SILLY THREAD. [ranting IS nice after all :) ] Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Crellion	Posted - 2005.08.25 15:21:00 - [2] Edited by: Crellion on 25/08/2005 15:23:47 Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Crellion Oh thats so nice, you little crybabies nerfed the entire Caldari line and now you are after Gallente lol. Ok lets do it then just because we must all be Ammar. When you remove rof from gankgeddon and zealot, when you fix the silly 3000 (from 1 single gun lol) dmg of the projectiles, when you fix the silly claw AF (yes AF if it can equip full rack of guns and plate to have 1100 hp armour) when you gimp the immortal armour tank of the apoc, in fact when you actually make shield tank as cap efficient as armour tanking (or close), when you give caldari a reward for training HAC instead of the ridicule of HAC trying to ouitsnipe BS with 4 M turrets against 6-8 L turrets, when you make a Moa as durable as a maller and -finally- when you fix the missles so that drones become again a second rate anti frig weapon, theeeeeen come back here to argue your case. Until then LOCK THIS SILLY THREAD. [ranting IS nice after all :) ] Sorry but your absolutely wrong. As long as damage types, differences in resistances, slot layouts, sig radius, speed and weapon sizes vary there will NEVER be like ships in EVE. Glaring Imbalances such as the Thorax Drone bay put a toolset the mass userbase to not worry about other ship classes because they can achieve Nirvana on one ship. It can tank, it can output any damage type, it can go gank, it can embrace its bonuses OR absolutely never need them. It can take ships like Covert Ops and make it the dynamic DUO in a way a megathron seems second class. It has little weakness. Large SmartBombs and certain configs CAN manage to exploit its weaknesses but those can also utterly annialate the other cruisers at the same time. Try harder. I dont think you understood my comment I have never flown a Thorax (simply because everybody else does) I once owned one for about 20 mins and then took it 3 systems away and sold it. What I meant was that it is just one of the many ships that have been made uber compared to others that have been nerfed to hell and back. I simply think its silly to go on nerfing and I would very much rather we fix the ships that are now useless. For example bolster the dmg output of the poor Eagle.
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2005.08.25 15:21:00 - [3] Edited by: Crellion on 25/08/2005 15:23:47 Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Crellion Oh thats so nice, you little crybabies nerfed the entire Caldari line and now you are after Gallente lol. Ok lets do it then just because we must all be Ammar. When you remove rof from gankgeddon and zealot, when you fix the silly 3000 (from 1 single gun lol) dmg of the projectiles, when you fix the silly claw AF (yes AF if it can equip full rack of guns and plate to have 1100 hp armour) when you gimp the immortal armour tank of the apoc, in fact when you actually make shield tank as cap efficient as armour tanking (or close), when you give caldari a reward for training HAC instead of the ridicule of HAC trying to ouitsnipe BS with 4 M turrets against 6-8 L turrets, when you make a Moa as durable as a maller and -finally- when you fix the missles so that drones become again a second rate anti frig weapon, theeeeeen come back here to argue your case. Until then LOCK THIS SILLY THREAD. [ranting IS nice after all :) ] Sorry but your absolutely wrong. As long as damage types, differences in resistances, slot layouts, sig radius, speed and weapon sizes vary there will NEVER be like ships in EVE. Glaring Imbalances such as the Thorax Drone bay put a toolset the mass userbase to not worry about other ship classes because they can achieve Nirvana on one ship. It can tank, it can output any damage type, it can go gank, it can embrace its bonuses OR absolutely never need them. It can take ships like Covert Ops and make it the dynamic DUO in a way a megathron seems second class. It has little weakness. Large SmartBombs and certain configs CAN manage to exploit its weaknesses but those can also utterly annialate the other cruisers at the same time. Try harder. I dont think you understood my comment I have never flown a Thorax (simply because everybody else does) I once owned one for about 20 mins and then took it 3 systems away and sold it. What I meant was that it is just one of the many ships that have been made uber compared to others that have been nerfed to hell and back. I simply think its silly to go on nerfing and I would very much rather we fix the ships that are now useless. For example bolster the dmg output of the poor Eagle. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2005.09.05 16:03:00 - [4] Edited by: Crellion on 05/09/2005 16:04:55 Originally by: Ravenge Originally by: Naughty Boy What exactly do i have to read, or where exactly do you prove your point ? A link, or even a post number will be enough, thank you. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. There are plenty of posts that illustrate the oversized plate problem and several videos.. some have been brought up in this very thread.. but you just ignored them, in favour of trying to shout down other post... so follow your own siggys advice and do some reading to find them. Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 05/09/2005 04:13:02 Please explain to me how a Thorax without a plate is any weaker than any OTHER cruiser without a plate? It has 2025 HP compared to the average 2050 that other lvl 3 Cruisers have. Not to mention it does the majority of its damage through its drones and thus can easily use those 5 low slots for tanking while still having ridiculous damage output. Maybe its because it has the lowest amount of slots then eany other tier 3 cruiser, could be that the guns intended for it are too cap hungry and intensive and it could be that since its supposed to be the ulitmate in close range cruisers, that it can't tank for anything. and so on.. so i ask you.. if the drone bay was reduced, would it be acceptable for the rax to get 2 extra slots, as that would bring it inline with the maller. Precisely.- +Its much more skill intensive than Maller IMO and almost as skill intensive as Moa (which IMPO powns the Rax 1v1 every time if you have uber skills in: Hybrids, Missles, EW, Fitting, Shield/Cap, Fitting AND Navigation) Look at "combat system" skills only: Maller: General gunnery + S Lasers II = 2 Rax: Genera G + S Hybrids II and Drones skills = 3 Moa: General G + S Hybrids (prereq.) + M Hybrids + Gen. Mislles + Heavy missles II + Drones skills + EW = 7 So at high skils (IMO) Moa > Rax > Maller At medium skills Rax > Maller > Moa At low skills Maller > Moa > Rax (rax with M rails and 3 light drones and no plate is a bit of a joke :) ) Train your a**s instead of complaining. There is great balance in this game. It can be made better but not like this LOL. I have no real knowlledge of the Rupture's capabilities so I did not include it although I hear good things :) Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2005.09.05 16:03:00 - [5] Edited by: Crellion on 05/09/2005 16:04:55 Originally by: Ravenge Originally by: Naughty Boy What exactly do i have to read, or where exactly do you prove your point ? A link, or even a post number will be enough, thank you. Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy. There are plenty of posts that illustrate the oversized plate problem and several videos.. some have been brought up in this very thread.. but you just ignored them, in favour of trying to shout down other post... so follow your own siggys advice and do some reading to find them. Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 05/09/2005 04:13:02 Please explain to me how a Thorax without a plate is any weaker than any OTHER cruiser without a plate? It has 2025 HP compared to the average 2050 that other lvl 3 Cruisers have. Not to mention it does the majority of its damage through its drones and thus can easily use those 5 low slots for tanking while still having ridiculous damage output. Maybe its because it has the lowest amount of slots then eany other tier 3 cruiser, could be that the guns intended for it are too cap hungry and intensive and it could be that since its supposed to be the ulitmate in close range cruisers, that it can't tank for anything. and so on.. so i ask you.. if the drone bay was reduced, would it be acceptable for the rax to get 2 extra slots, as that would bring it inline with the maller. Precisely.- +Its much more skill intensive than Maller IMO and almost as skill intensive as Moa (which IMPO powns the Rax 1v1 every time if you have uber skills in: Hybrids, Missles, EW, Fitting, Shield/Cap, Fitting AND Navigation) Look at "combat system" skills only: Maller: General gunnery + S Lasers II = 2 Rax: Genera G + S Hybrids II and Drones skills = 3 Moa: General G + S Hybrids (prereq.) + M Hybrids + Gen. Mislles + Heavy missles II + Drones skills + EW = 7 So at high skils (IMO) Moa > Rax > Maller At medium skills Rax > Maller > Moa At low skills Maller > Moa > Rax (rax with M rails and 3 light drones and no plate is a bit of a joke :) ) Train your a**s instead of complaining. There is great balance in this game. It can be made better but not like this LOL. I have no real knowlledge of the Rupture's capabilities so I did not include it although I hear good things :) Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.

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