EVE Search - Reduce Thoraxes bay to 100m3

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Ithildin	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:22:00 - [1] Neat comparison, Nyxus, but I have a request for you. Make a similar comparison making two vital assumptions: 1. Oversized plates will not remain viable for long due to their unintended use and that they are removing medium turrets from game (save for HACs, who can afford the lack of plates in order to get more firepower) 2. Thorax dronebay is axed, but without increasing any fitting numbers. Granted that you'll have to make some realistic setups to complete this, but a few general guidelines can be used such as a rail-Thorax using 200mm Rails at most or a blaster-Thorax using Electron blaster at most. -- Ligh weight. Some people fly Thorax or Armageddon to compensate what their body lack. I fly Dominix.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:22:00 - [2] Neat comparison, Nyxus, but I have a request for you. Make a similar comparison making two vital assumptions: 1. Oversized plates will not remain viable for long due to their unintended use and that they are removing medium turrets from game (save for HACs, who can afford the lack of plates in order to get more firepower) 2. Thorax dronebay is axed, but without increasing any fitting numbers. Granted that you'll have to make some realistic setups to complete this, but a few general guidelines can be used such as a rail-Thorax using 200mm Rails at most or a blaster-Thorax using Electron blaster at most. - EVE is sick.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:22:00 - [3] Neat comparison, Nyxus, but I have a request for you. Make a similar comparison making two vital assumptions: 1. Oversized plates will not remain viable for long due to their unintended use and that they are removing medium turrets from game (save for HACs, who can afford the lack of plates in order to get more firepower) 2. Thorax dronebay is axed, but without increasing any fitting numbers. Granted that you'll have to make some realistic setups to complete this, but a few general guidelines can be used such as a rail-Thorax using 200mm Rails at most or a blaster-Thorax using Electron blaster at most. - EVE is sick.
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.09.03 22:05:00 - [4] Originally by: DigitalCommunist 18 pages about one single number in a database. Wow. Wish that many people cared about removing instas :\ Very, very, good point. I think it also has to do with the extremely sexy look of the Thorax. People feel good flying it, contrary to (for example) Rupture, Maller, or Dominix. And I do care about (for) removing instas. Care to start a thred about it? Remove the need for instas, granting a 5km warp-in. Also, remove aggression timers for stargates and do something about insta-docks. Possibly the bottlenecks will have to be moved slightly further out from secure space so that one can pursue people who jump through and so on... -- Ligh weight. Some people fly Thorax or Armageddon to compensate what their body lack. I fly Dominix.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2005.09.03 22:05:00 - [5] Originally by: DigitalCommunist 18 pages about one single number in a database. Wow. Wish that many people cared about removing instas :\ Very, very, good point. I think it also has to do with the extremely sexy look of the Thorax. People feel good flying it, contrary to (for example) Rupture, Maller, or Dominix. And I do care about (for) removing instas. Care to start a thred about it? Remove the need for instas, granting a 5km warp-in. Also, remove aggression timers for stargates and do something about insta-docks. Possibly the bottlenecks will have to be moved slightly further out from secure space so that one can pursue people who jump through and so on... - EVE is sick.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2005.09.03 22:05:00 - [6] Originally by: DigitalCommunist 18 pages about one single number in a database. Wow. Wish that many people cared about removing instas :\ Very, very, good point. I think it also has to do with the extremely sexy look of the Thorax. People feel good flying it, contrary to (for example) Rupture, Maller, or Dominix. And I do care about (for) removing instas. Care to start a thred about it? Remove the need for instas, granting a 5km warp-in. Also, remove aggression timers for stargates and do something about insta-docks. Possibly the bottlenecks will have to be moved slightly further out from secure space so that one can pursue people who jump through and so on... - EVE is sick.
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.09.04 10:50:00 - [7] Thanks, Naughty Boy. Just a few points: * In your comparison you listed only 4 turrets on the Rupture and no launchers, could it not fit even Assault Launchers afterwards? * Where the Maller doesn't have drones to slightly augment it's damage or to serve as a small-ship protection, it does have nearly 50% better tracking than the others and a tanking bonus. * It is interesting how the Moa lags behind in damage, however a single electronic warfare module in the last med slot may make all the difference in a combat. Can't help feeling that a tiny something is still needed, however. Just remember that equality in damage isn't everything and that you don't fly Caldari to do lots of damage. * It is amazing how all ships perform similar in a direct damage calculation using long range turrets. Thorax. The Thorax' fortÚ is blasters, and this is where things get difficult. Blasters require a very expensive (fitting) micro warpdrive. Also, the Thorax has a bonus to micro warpdrive efficiency which it doesn't use when fitted with long range turrets. A basic problem with this balance is that blasters and railguns are too similar, and thus you cannot build the Thorax as a pro-blaster ship nor can you make a generalized boost to it's fittings without possibly unbalancing the long-range balance. It would be interesting if CCP's developers took their time to make the hybrid fitting requirements loaded differently, with railguns more kind to Caldari powergrid and CPU and blasters more kind to Gallentean powergrid and CPU. In other words, make railguns require more CPU and less powergrid while blasters require more powergrid and less CPU, and additionally have Gallentean ships increase in powergrid and decrease in CPU (making them more similar to Amarrian fitting grid and CPU). Granted, the tampering should only be done to encourage the use of the two different weapons, and not prohibit the use of the other type. This is to support that Gallente and Caldari both use two different weapon types (the secondary weapon types being either drones or missiles), and by splitting the hybrid category in two "parts", thus increasing predictability, allows for better optimization of the incorporation of the two factions philosophies onto their respective ship hulls. -- Ligh weight. Some people fly Thorax or Armageddon to compensate what their body lack. I fly Dominix.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2005.09.04 10:50:00 - [8] Thanks, Naughty Boy. Just a few points: * In your comparison you listed only 4 turrets on the Rupture and no launchers, could it not fit even Assault Launchers afterwards? * Where the Maller doesn't have drones to slightly augment it's damage or to serve as a small-ship protection, it does have nearly 50% better tracking than the others and a tanking bonus. * It is interesting how the Moa lags behind in damage, however a single electronic warfare module in the last med slot may make all the difference in a combat. Can't help feeling that a tiny something is still needed, however. Just remember that equality in damage isn't everything and that you don't fly Caldari to do lots of damage. * It is amazing how all ships perform similar in a direct damage calculation using long range turrets. Thorax. The Thorax' fortT is blasters, and this is where things get difficult. Blasters require a very expensive (fitting) micro warpdrive. Also, the Thorax has a bonus to micro warpdrive efficiency which it doesn't use when fitted with long range turrets. A basic problem with this balance is that blasters and railguns are too similar, and thus you cannot build the Thorax as a pro-blaster ship nor can you make a generalized boost to it's fittings without possibly unbalancing the long-range balance. It would be interesting if CCP's developers took their time to make the hybrid fitting requirements loaded differently, with railguns more kind to Caldari powergrid and CPU and blasters more kind to Gallentean powergrid and CPU. In other words, make railguns require more CPU and less powergrid while blasters require more powergrid and less CPU, and additionally have Gallentean ships increase in powergrid and decrease in CPU (making them more similar to Amarrian fitting grid and CPU). Granted, the tampering should only be done to encourage the use of the two different weapons, and not prohibit the use of the other type. This is to support that Gallente and Caldari both use two different weapon types (the secondary weapon types being either drones or missiles), and by splitting the hybrid category in two "parts", thus increasing predictability, allows for better optimization of the incorporation of the two factions philosophies onto their respective ship hulls. - EVE is sick.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2005.09.04 10:50:00 - [9] Thanks, Naughty Boy. Just a few points: * In your comparison you listed only 4 turrets on the Rupture and no launchers, could it not fit even Assault Launchers afterwards? * Where the Maller doesn't have drones to slightly augment it's damage or to serve as a small-ship protection, it does have nearly 50% better tracking than the others and a tanking bonus. * It is interesting how the Moa lags behind in damage, however a single electronic warfare module in the last med slot may make all the difference in a combat. Can't help feeling that a tiny something is still needed, however. Just remember that equality in damage isn't everything and that you don't fly Caldari to do lots of damage. * It is amazing how all ships perform similar in a direct damage calculation using long range turrets. Thorax. The Thorax' fortT is blasters, and this is where things get difficult. Blasters require a very expensive (fitting) micro warpdrive. Also, the Thorax has a bonus to micro warpdrive efficiency which it doesn't use when fitted with long range turrets. A basic problem with this balance is that blasters and railguns are too similar, and thus you cannot build the Thorax as a pro-blaster ship nor can you make a generalized boost to it's fittings without possibly unbalancing the long-range balance. It would be interesting if CCP's developers took their time to make the hybrid fitting requirements loaded differently, with railguns more kind to Caldari powergrid and CPU and blasters more kind to Gallentean powergrid and CPU. In other words, make railguns require more CPU and less powergrid while blasters require more powergrid and less CPU, and additionally have Gallentean ships increase in powergrid and decrease in CPU (making them more similar to Amarrian fitting grid and CPU). Granted, the tampering should only be done to encourage the use of the two different weapons, and not prohibit the use of the other type. This is to support that Gallente and Caldari both use two different weapon types (the secondary weapon types being either drones or missiles), and by splitting the hybrid category in two "parts", thus increasing predictability, allows for better optimization of the incorporation of the two factions philosophies onto their respective ship hulls. - EVE is sick.

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