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Emarald Sween	Posted - 2005.08.22 20:37:00 - [1] Edited by: Emarald Sween on 22/08/2005 20:42:45 Let's see here... some selfish people who log in to EVE are destroying the fun for all of us by macro mining and selling isk and stuff for real money. I think the above two are linked. Maybe, just maybe, if we stop the macro miners, most of the other illegal transactions will be reduced. so what do macro miners love? their ore. So take away the ore, and and they get tired of their waste of time. How to take away their ore? simple. Ore Thieves. It's time to put them in to some good use, anyway. Any and all suggestions are welcome. But no flamming, because it doesn't help our cause. OK?
Quanteeri	Posted - 2005.08.22 20:48:00 - [2] /me has strange feeling someone around here has seen the light.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.08.22 20:51:00 - [3] Originally by: Emarald Sween Edited by: Emarald Sween on 22/08/2005 20:42:45 Let's see here... some selfish people who log in to EVE are destroying the fun for all of us by macro mining and selling isk and stuff for real money. I think the above two are linked. Maybe, just maybe, if we stop the macro miners, most of the other illegal transactions will be reduced. so what do macro miners love? their ore. So take away the ore, and and they get tired of their waste of time. How to take away their ore? simple. Ore Thieves. It's time to put them in to some good use, anyway. Any and all suggestions are welcome. But no flamming, because it doesn't help our cause. OK? Knowingly stealing ore from macro miners is probably frowned upon............especially if you don't petition your suspicions. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Wild Rho	Posted - 2005.08.22 20:57:00 - [4] Stealing ore from a macro miner when you know it's a macro is actually an exploit. Why? Becuase you are personally profiting from somone using EULA breaching macros to mine ore.
Cosmic Dragon	Posted - 2005.08.22 20:58:00 - [5] Originally by: Wild Rho Stealing ore from a macro miner when you know it's a macro is actually an exploit. Why? Becuase you are personally profiting from somone using EULA breaching macros to mine ore. Its allowed if you petition ccp first Beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beer Holder!!!
Emarald Sween	Posted - 2005.08.22 20:58:00 - [6] Edited by: Emarald Sween on 22/08/2005 20:59:27 Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Emarald Sween Edited by: Emarald Sween on 22/08/2005 20:42:45 Let's see here... some selfish people who log in to EVE are destroying the fun for all of us by macro mining and selling isk and stuff for real money. I think the above two are linked. Maybe, just maybe, if we stop the macro miners, most of the other illegal transactions will be reduced. so what do macro miners love? their ore. So take away the ore, and and they get tired of their waste of time. How to take away their ore? simple. Ore Thieves. It's time to put them in to some good use, anyway. Any and all suggestions are welcome. But no flamming, because it doesn't help our cause. OK? Knowingly stealing ore from macro miners is probably frowned upon............especially if you don't petition your suspicions. Obviously, you must petition first, so to give the GM's atleast the chance to do something about it. The point is, we can't just sit back and watch as these hooligans destraoy the game. Also, the objective is not to profit from the ore, but to starve the macro miners out of business.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2005.08.22 21:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Emarald Sween Also, the objective is not to profit from the ore, but to starve the macro miners out of business. Suicide alts in Ibis/Velator, blowing up the cans? _______ I tried strip mining, but I lost and it's cold flying around in space naked.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.08.22 21:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Emarald Sween Also, the objective is not to profit from the ore, but to starve the macro miners out of business. Suicide alts in Ibis/Velator, blowing up the cans? Easier: Make your own can, transfer, blow it up without suiciding. -- Proud member of the [23]. Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else.
Emmerich Steiner	Posted - 2005.08.22 21:21:00 - [9] Most macro miners I have seen have poorly made macros.. and can easily be denied thier ore by ramming them with a mwd cruiser with speed boosters in the lows. Takes several hits but as soon as they can't get at the asteroid they screw up and stop working. And the added benefit to that is if they are actaully playing the acount and not macroing, you get to listen to them whine in local about you harrasing them :D Currently training: Original Sig / Rank 1 / SP: 254657 of 256000
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.08.22 21:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Emmerich Steiner Most macro miners I have seen have poorly made macros.. and can easily be denied thier ore by ramming them with a mwd cruiser with speed boosters in the lows. Takes several hits but as soon as they can't get at the asteroid they screw up and stop working. And the added benefit to that is if they are actaully playing the acount and not macroing, you get to listen to them whine in local about you harrasing them :D Bumpageddon does it in one hit. -- Proud member of the [23]. Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else.
Emarald Sween	Posted - 2005.08.22 21:24:00 - [11] you can fire upon your own can without any retribution? cool
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.08.22 21:28:00 - [12] well taking mining barge finding them in local and stripping their roids is fun - causes em to alter - do some real in game playing. AFK miners those that ae really playing but just sitting haulers at high sec belts and using 1x miner 2s and hen going away for 2 hours (mostly newbies) mining trit in their iteron 3s and 4s 0- pop their roids and move on a few hours later they come back and go ***** ***.
Firal Vindabona	Posted - 2005.08.22 22:43:00 - [13] Edited by: Firal Vindabona on 22/08/2005 22:43:33 Just have a thread on here about sightings and people with time on their hands will go about blowing their payloads out of the sky. I'm free tonite, how about a location where there are some active now.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.08.22 22:44:00 - [14] new ingame channel MM killers (marco miner killers) if u spot em - everyone can pile in with strip miners and remove their belts - pop their roids or play mining snooker with em
Sumica	Posted - 2005.08.22 22:50:00 - [15] Back in the day macro miners used to have a setting to run or launch attack drones when locked but it seeems they have found a better program now. I miss geting free drones. Your not stupid just misinformed Ö
lindie	Posted - 2005.08.22 22:57:00 - [16] Originally by: Emarald Sween Edited by: Emarald Sween on 22/08/2005 20:42:45 Let's see here... some selfish people who log in to EVE are destroying the fun for all of us by macro mining and selling isk and stuff for real money. I think the above two are linked. Maybe, just maybe, if we stop the macro miners, most of the other illegal transactions will be reduced. so what do macro miners love? their ore. So take away the ore, and and they get tired of their waste of time. How to take away their ore? simple. Ore Thieves. It's time to put them in to some good use, anyway. Any and all suggestions are welcome. But no flamming, because it doesn't help our cause. OK? so what your saying here is they mine with a hauler and sell it on ebay????? how much do you get from 1 hauler which might take hours to fill....wts 10k veld please start the bidding at 0.0001p
Firal Vindabona	Posted - 2005.08.22 23:09:00 - [17] AFK mining isn't the problem, macromining is, where are your glasses?
SULAN BARHIR	Posted - 2005.08.22 23:21:00 - [18] Edited by: SULAN BARHIR on 22/08/2005 23:21:23 Originally by: lindie Originally by: Emarald Sween Edited by: Emarald Sween on 22/08/2005 20:42:45 Let's see here... some selfish people who log in to EVE are destroying the fun for all of us by macro mining and selling isk and stuff for real money. I think the above two are linked. Maybe, just maybe, if we stop the macro miners, most of the other illegal transactions will be reduced. so what do macro miners love? their ore. So take away the ore, and and they get tired of their waste of time. How to take away their ore? simple. Ore Thieves. It's time to put them in to some good use, anyway. Any and all suggestions are welcome. But no flamming, because it doesn't help our cause. OK? so what your saying here is they mine with a hauler and sell it on ebay????? how much do you get from 1 hauler which might take hours to fill....wts 10k veld please start the bidding at 0.0001p The problem is not the people who mine with a hauler, and not even the strip miners. It's the macro miners. I have a med barge, and when I mine with my buddy who has a vexor fitted with 4x miner II's, we get about 1.5 cans per hour. If we mine like that, think about macro miners who mine all day long with 5 or 10 accounts!!! And what do they do with all the isk they get? I have even seen ebay sellers who sell minerls in bulk. It is more likely that there is a connection here, than there is not.
GrandAdmiral Alt	Posted - 2005.08.22 23:36:00 - [19] What if we just hunt them down and kill them?
Nikko Forte	Posted - 2005.08.22 23:43:00 - [20] There was a game I used to play called Neocron that was 100% successful at stopping macros. They had some kind of 'mouse defense' against it ;p Some reason anyone who tried to use a macro in Neocron the client wouldnt recognize the mouse somehow, It'd be recognized in windows yes but now in the neocron client. Maybe it had seperate mouse controls within the client that only allowd the mouse to be used if the neocron client was the main program being run at the time. Im guessing in any macro program it has to be running over top and be telling the mouse what to do therefore it would have been the 'main' program at the time and neocron would just be kinda in the background. Eve could try to do something similar. - - - -
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.08.22 23:50:00 - [21] Edited by: Tobiaz on 22/08/2005 23:51:36 Originally by: Nikko Forte There was a game I used to play called Neocron that was 100% successful at stopping macros. They had some kind of 'mouse defense' against it ;p Some reason anyone who tried to use a macro in Neocron the client wouldnt recognize the mouse somehow, It'd be recognized in windows yes but now in the neocron client. Maybe it had seperate mouse controls within the client that only allowd the mouse to be used if the neocron client was the main program being run at the time. Im guessing in any macro program it has to be running over top and be telling the mouse what to do therefore it would have been the 'main' program at the time and neocron would just be kinda in the background. Eve could try to do something similar. Sounds a bit like Pandora's box... Spacerats recruiting!
Fester Addams	Posted - 2005.08.22 23:55:00 - [22] Best way to deal with macro miners is to get some screenshots and bug report it to CCP. If you after reporting it feel like having some fun you can always bump them, nick their ore and/or kill them but the main thing to do is to report them. The macro miners dont care about your small effect on their operation, a few ships lost, some cans stolen or a coupple of hours out of synk dont affect their production much, if its run for sales OOG then its set upp as a buisness and has margins that whatever you do fall into. The only way to hurt them is to have CCP shut down their accounts and trace the money/ore. If CCP finds one gang ods are they will be able to find more accounts. Petty attacks on them will achive nothing, especially as an overzealous macro hunter is bound to hit an inocent mining OP sooner or later. ------------ 20. Is it true all pvpers have carebear alts? Yes, of course. I have so much fun looking up who's alt is who's kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Nikko Forte	Posted - 2005.08.22 23:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Tobiaz Edited by: Tobiaz on 22/08/2005 23:51:36 Originally by: Nikko Forte There was a game I used to play called Neocron that was 100% successful at stopping macros. They had some kind of 'mouse defense' against it ;p Some reason anyone who tried to use a macro in Neocron the client wouldnt recognize the mouse somehow, It'd be recognized in windows yes but now in the neocron client. Maybe it had seperate mouse controls within the client that only allowd the mouse to be used if the neocron client was the main program being run at the time. Im guessing in any macro program it has to be running over top and be telling the mouse what to do therefore it would have been the 'main' program at the time and neocron would just be kinda in the background. Eve could try to do something similar. Sounds a bit like Pandora's box... Pandora's Box has nothing to do with computer mice :o but I'm sure CCP could easily do this they just never thought about it. And I will admit neocorn was buggy as hell, this might be one of the reasons, or the fact that KK ( their creator ) was a lazy ass developer... seriously they are havin the same bugs now as they did when I played 2 years ago. That is beyond pathetic. I felt sorry for them due to the fact they were a small upstart company but, 2 years and the same bugs are still around, and the gms still talking about what will be in soon(TM) as what they were 2 years ago... no, no excuse. - - - -
Emarald Sween	Posted - 2005.08.23 00:07:00 - [24] Edited by: Emarald Sween on 23/08/2005 00:10:44 Quote: as an overzealous macro hunter is bound to hit an inocent mining OP sooner or later. I aggree on that... sometimes it is hard to figure out who is genuine and who is not.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.08.23 00:16:00 - [25] Originally by: Emarald Sween Edited by: Emarald Sween on 23/08/2005 00:10:44 Quote: as an overzealous macro hunter is bound to hit an inocent mining OP sooner or later. I aggree on that... sometimes it is hard to figure out who is genuine and who is not. Actually it's not that hard. Just check the names Spacerats recruiting!
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2005.08.23 00:24:00 - [26] The names? Sure some look very similar but then again half the galaxy drew their names out of a cookiejar.
Fester Addams	Posted - 2005.08.23 00:27:00 - [27] Originally by: Tobiaz Originally by: Emarald Sween Edited by: Emarald Sween on 23/08/2005 00:10:44 Quote: as an overzealous macro hunter is bound to hit an inocent mining OP sooner or later. I aggree on that... sometimes it is hard to figure out who is genuine and who is not. Actually it's not that hard. Just check the names while it is true that many buisness isk sellers use sequential names and so on this is not always the case nor is it always true that just because a mining op has sequential names it is a macro operation. I have plenty of friends who when they start a new game together get very similar names and can very easilly see them actually play the clone fleet in a game like EvE. Thus report them to CCP. After that you can choose to do anything you can get away with baring bugabusing, you must however realize that there is a chance you will at some time or other hit a mining op that is innocent of macro mining, just keep that in mind. ------------ 20. Is it true all pvpers have carebear alts? Yes, of course. I have so much fun looking up who's alt is who's kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Emarald Sween	Posted - 2005.08.23 00:48:00 - [28] OK, the bottom line is I guess, prepare the ore to be confisctaed if you are a macrominer/stripminer who does not respond to hails by other pilots. Because sooner or later, you are gona be faced with ore thieves or a "good samaritan."
Adam C	Posted - 2005.08.23 01:02:00 - [29] my solution to the macro-miners would be, make asteroid belts rotational oh yeh then give the covetor a speed bonus. :) ps. i only read the first post (mybad if some1 already brought this up)
Zensige	Posted - 2005.08.23 01:45:00 - [30] Woooot!? There is macros for mining? hey someone want to hook me up with some of these?!?

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