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Tobias Annages The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.03.18 10:35:00 - [1] - Quote http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=5054&tid=2 Villore - According to a leaked Federal security briefing, House Sarum of the Amarr Empire has allegedly been commissioning several flotillas of large transport barges for the purposes of launching slave raids into war torn systems of the Minmatar Republic. The leak also provides information regarding the training of extra numbers of small-sized military squads, considered a particularly curious detail given Amarr military doctrine typically prefers to press numerical advantages when possible.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 102	Posted - 2013.03.18 10:43:00 - [2] - Quote I am glad to hear that efforts are being taken to restart the Reclaiming. I hope that Her Imperial Majesty will approve these developments.
Markius TheShed Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 143	Posted - 2013.03.18 10:58:00 - [3] - Quote Only 3 Minmatar systems are currently under Amarrian occupation and can I suppose be considered "war torn" But those systems will soon be back under Republic control as Amarrian Militia forces seem in disarray. Any Amarrian vessels invading our space will of course be met with deadly force. Murientor Tribe a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107 http://www.defiant-legacy.com/
Sylux Raynes Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 42	Posted - 2013.03.18 11:01:00 - [4] - Quote Clever, if a bold move. Much will be determined by the position of the throne in this matter. I am eager to await it.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 2226	Posted - 2013.03.18 11:30:00 - [5] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: I am glad to hear that efforts are being taken to restart the Reclaiming. I hope that Her Imperial Majesty will approve these developments. So much for the "age of slavery coming to an end," right? So much for staying out of the Minmatar Republic's affairs, right? So much for desiring peace, right? So much for respecting CONCORD rule of law, right? *****. Mane 614
Sylux Raynes Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.03.18 11:44:00 - [6] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: So much for the "age of slavery coming to an end," right? The Empress has yet to comment or take an official stance on these allegations. As those were her words you're quoting, it would be wise to await her response. Andreus Ixiris wrote: So much for staying out of the Minmatar Republic's affairs, right? The taking of new slaves from planets captured by the Empire is strictly an Imperial affair. Andreus Ixiris wrote: So much for desiring peace, right? Do not mistake House Sarum for being the will of an entire Empire. Andreus Ixiris wrote: So much for respecting CONCORD rule of law, right? CONCORD rule of law is rather ambiguous on the matter at present. With sovereignty shifting under the new regulations, it would not be a breach of CONCORD law for the Empire to take new slaves from worlds under its own control. However, this is using strictly the "letter of the law" and perhaps not the "spirit of the law" in interpretation. I imagine CONCORD will make quite well known any perceived breach of its jurisdiction by the Empire.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 102	Posted - 2013.03.18 11:56:00 - [7] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: I am glad to hear that efforts are being taken to restart the Reclaiming. I hope that Her Imperial Majesty will approve these developments. So much for the "age of slavery coming to an end," right? So much for staying out of the Minmatar Republic's affairs, right? So much for desiring peace, right? So much for respecting CONCORD rule of law, right? *****. Yes. It is better to return to traditional ways. And CONCORD's laws have only ever served to weaken the Empire.
Gwen Ikiryo Hoderi's Folly 66	Posted - 2013.03.18 12:11:00 - [8] - Quote This place certainly has a way of making peope cynical. Not even the loyalists are considering the notion that the accusations might be untrue.
Quinzel Nikulainen Kokako Acquisitions 74	Posted - 2013.03.18 12:33:00 - [9] - Quote I see the Republic has learned to imitate the Federations techniques of spoofing 'leaked' intelligence as a propaganda tool.
Sylux Raynes Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 43	Posted - 2013.03.18 12:34:00 - [10] - Quote Gwen Ikiryo wrote: This place certainly has a way of making people cynical. Not even the loyalists are considering the notion that the accusations might be untrue. They remain allegations, true. Again, however, the position of the throne is the determining factor. If the Empress declares the allegations false after an investigation (should she choose to enact one), then that is how we will proceed. If the allegations are true, her approval or disapproval will mark how the Empire proceeds as a whole. True or not, these allegations are against a single house, House Sarum and should not be considered as the will of the entire Empire at this time.
Knoot Enderas Advenus Classem Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 44	Posted - 2013.03.18 12:35:00 - [11] - Quote The building of new ships is a routine matter. The apparent change in Imperial War Doctrine as applied by this particular House is far more interesting than speculation that these ships may be used for slave raids.
Kares Shahzu Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.03.18 12:39:00 - [12] - Quote No evidence provided except for the word of a Federal intelligence report. The fact that a representative from House Sarum would even validate the report with a response suggests that the potential for a security and intelligence leak exists. I would think this would be of more pressing concern at the moment.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 2226	Posted - 2013.03.18 12:39:00 - [13] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Yes. It is better to return to traditional ways. And CONCORD's laws have only ever served to weaken the Empire. Good. It's clear the Empire cannot be trusted to live like civilized human beings. Better to burn it. Mane 614
Silas Vitalia Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD 726	Posted - 2013.03.18 12:40:00 - [14] - Quote There's an old saying....One mustn't count their captives before they're caught. About time Sarum started flexing a bit, let's see how far they get. Sabik now, Sabik forever
Keitunen Eto Uchusen Technologies 0	Posted - 2013.03.18 13:28:00 - [15] - Quote All you can say about this is as mentioned above several times. It is the word of the Gallente. Though the possibilities are endless. I shall look into this matter.
Quinzel Nikulainen Kokako Acquisitions 76	Posted - 2013.03.18 13:32:00 - [16] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Good. It's clear the Empire cannot be trusted to live like civilized human beings. Better to burn it. I hope you're just an ironic genius.
Leopold Caine Stillwater Corporation 140	Posted - 2013.03.18 13:39:00 - [17] - Quote As much as it would be entertaining to see the liberal holders squirm if this should come to pass, as an entrepreneur I'm not too comfortable with the idea of a sudden influx of a large batch of new livestock on the free market. I hope the Empire is preparing some kind of economic edicts and measurements to counter the possible market over-saturation or even worse, inflation. Otherwise, the crash in slave prices might affect us all. Quinzel Nikulainen wrote: Andreus Ixiris wrote: Good. It's clear the Empire cannot be trusted to live like civilized human beings. Better to burn it. I hope you're just an ironic genius. I am afraid you're giving Msr. Ixiris too much credit. - L. C, Domination Malakim .stillwater
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 2226	Posted - 2013.03.18 13:41:00 - [18] - Quote Leopold Caine wrote: I am afraid you're giving Msr. Ixiris too much credit. Oh look, it's Caine. Forced yourself on any women lately? Mane 614
Natalcya Katla Naqam Shaktipat Revelators 105	Posted - 2013.03.18 13:43:00 - [19] - Quote Sylux Raynes wrote: CONCORD rule of law is rather ambiguous on the matter at present. With sovereignty shifting under the new regulations, it would not be a breach of CONCORD law for the Empire to take new slaves from worlds under its own control. However, this is using strictly the "letter of the law" and perhaps not the "spirit of the law" in interpretation. I imagine CONCORD will make quite well known any perceived breach of its jurisdiction by the Empire. Law has no spirit, only letters. CONCORD and I have always been in perfect agreement, there. That does not mean CONCORD will fail to use legal ambiguity to its own advantage, of course. House Sarum would be within its legal rights to take slaves from captured planets, or so it appears to me. Whether this would serve the Empire's best political interest is doubtful, since I imagine it would quickly trigger a retaliatory response of hostage-taking by the Minmatar Republic in turn, in the systems they occupy. Go down this road, and you virtually ensure that soon, every person who can afford to get out of the low-security "war zone" will do so - and take their savings with them, ensuring a social and economic collapse throughout the regions. All so that the factories comfortably squirrelled away in high security space can continue to churn out weapons of war, and you gladiators can continue to prance about looking pretty.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 1558	Posted - 2013.03.18 13:49:00 - [20] - Quote Natalcya, if I could agree with that post a thousand times, I would do so with no hesitation.
Gosakumori Noh Viziam Amarr Empire 150	Posted - 2013.03.18 14:18:00 - [21] - Quote Grab the Sebiestor bunny boys first, Sarum-sweeties!
Nicoletta Mithra PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 223	Posted - 2013.03.18 14:25:00 - [22] - Quote While the good Heir Merimeth did ascertain the ship building program and the training of small squads, the allegations that those are meant to be utilized in salve raids are, indeed, as far as we see merely allegations of the leaked FIO document. I would be slow to trust an intelligence service of the Federation on the internal processes of the Empire, even if it's in a 'leaked' document. I'd like to point out that such a leak comes at a very convenient time for the Federation and that until now, this leak did more to destabilize the cluster than any action taken by House Sarum.
Mensha Khael Crow House Murder 62	Posted - 2013.03.18 14:37:00 - [23] - Quote There is no law against building vessels for whatever purpose a royal house sees fit. How a royal house elects to organize their forces is their concern and they are fully within their rights to hold their own counsel on the matter. Not that some of the minmatar tribal elders have not gone out of their way to give all intergalactic justification Amarr should need for upgrading our military forces. As several people have pointed out, even though I am loathe to be seen agreeing with some. Amarr have all rights to enslave within the sovereign Amarrian domain. Capsuleer militias conflict areas currently under Amarrian jurisdiction can certainly be argued, quite forcefully, to fall within Amarrian sovereign domain. As for the possibility of slave raids outside current Amarrian sovereignity. Perhaps it is high time to re-evaluate those imperial decrees limiting the traditional rights of all holders. In context to actions of some other concord signatories and how their failures or intentional breaches of contracts with the Amarrian throne can be best addressed. Perhaps a mere clarification that only sovereignities of Concord signatories upholding their agreements are under the Imperial restrictions on slave taking? Though this purports to be Federal intelligence and as msr. Ixiris quite well excamplifies there is precious little to be taken seriously in that term. Afterall, first assumption jumped into is slave raids. While not beyond the pale as a possibility one would do well to remember Amarrian persons have voiced their personal opinions for the need to increase the tactical and strategic capacity of all Imperial forces to effect those deemed threats to the security of Imperial populace and sovereignity. Perhaps House Sarum is merely re-enforcing it's traditional role as the pre-eminent influencer of Imperial combat doctrine by updating it's own doctrine and equipment before other houses are compelled to follow suit. One can hope.
Nick Shale Incursion Squad Punkz 'n Monkeys 16	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:05:00 - [24] - Quote To every story there is a bit of truth, seems to me that the building of this vessels are true, but the intended purpose to ferry slaves is FIO speculation. If we look at the timing of this release it coincide with the release of Empress Jamyl decree to give asylum to clone soldiers, it will be fair to infer this vessels may have been built for that purpose.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 1151	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:10:00 - [25] - Quote Or maybe they're considering actually evacuating people out of the war zone? Like I said before, it's an embarrassment to all nations that anyone is still having to live on those worlds. Not I expect civilian mercy-mission transports to be any less likely to come under fire than a slave transport... it's all the same to the genocidal maniacs that operate in those areas. EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 313	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:13:00 - [26] - Quote Even if this were true, the 24th Imperial Crusade has lost space superiority in the warfront, resulting an a plainly visible collapse of the front lines. If a slave raid were to be attempted now it would likely be obliterated.
Nicoletta Mithra PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 224	Posted - 2013.03.18 16:18:00 - [27] - Quote Mensha Khael Crow wrote: Perhaps it is high time to re-evaluate those imperial decrees limiting the traditional rights of all holders. As to the traditional rights of all holders, Cpt. Crow, Holders in general never had the right to take slaves. In truth, only a small number of authorized slavers, military officers, and religious officials are given the authority to take slaves, by tradition, so that most Holders don't have the authority to capture slaves.
Zsaryna Adrelana The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY 28	Posted - 2013.03.18 17:03:00 - [28] - Quote All we have is the FIO's word that these transports are for transporting slaves. We're building transport ships, so what? Why is this even news? We're building transport ships and in the Empire, those transport ships only ever carry one thing of course /sarcasm. I will await to see what Her Majesty or someone speaking on her behalf has to say regarding the purpose of these ships before I start rushing to conclusions and I would advise quite a few people here to do the same.
Louella Dougans Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine 44	Posted - 2013.03.18 19:00:00 - [29] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: So much for the "age of slavery coming to an end," right? So much for staying out of the Minmatar Republic's affairs, right? So much for desiring peace, right? So much for respecting CONCORD rule of law, right? Sorry, Andreus, as much as I may have liked your opinion in the past, you lost your moral authority when you offered your services as a mercenary to the Blood Raiders. Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 1154	Posted - 2013.03.18 19:35:00 - [30] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Good. It's clear the Empire cannot be trusted to live like civilized human beings. Better to burn it. You left out the part where we all eat babies and play soccer with puppies. Why are you still here, anyway? Isn't there a Black Eagle boot somewhere that needs the blood licked off it? EvE is like prison.-á It's a place when bad people go to learn how to become even worse people.

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