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Tobias Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.19 11:48:00 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=luminaire-situation-still-unstable-revered-caldari-admiral-called-back-into-service
LUMINAIRE GÇô A Caldari Navy spokeswoman confirmed this morning that retired Admiral Visera Yanala has been drafted back into service. The unprecedented move comes after widespread unrest erupted on Caldari Prime late last week, in response to a breach of the Gallente border by Caldari forces. |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange
99
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Posted - 2013.03.19 12:25:00 -
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Welcome news in hard times.
I wish the honoured Admiral all the best in her duties, and offer the unequivocal support of my humble organisation, and myself, should such ever be required.
It is truly a wonder of modern technology that individuals that once would have been considered our retired forebears in our chosen careers may rise again and lead through experience when we need it the most.
Time will only tell if the Federation recognizes the resolve of the Caldari people to commit ourselves; mind, body and spirit, to the securing of the Caldari home world in the face of continued attempts to wrest it from our control. Listen well to your Doves and re-conciliatory elements, Federation capsuleers. You stand to come out with a lot of blood on your hands if the matter is pushed, and it has been proven time and time again that your culture in particular judges that harshly.
CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: An International trade corporation that adheres to State values
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Rinai Vero
Moira.
Villore Accords
101
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Posted - 2013.03.19 12:38:00 -
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Aelisha wrote:Welcome news in hard times.
I wish the honoured Admiral all the best in her duties, and offer the unequivocal support of my humble organisation, and myself, should such ever be required.
It is truly a wonder of modern technology that individuals that once would have been considered our retired forebears in our chosen careers may rise again and lead through experience when we need it the most.
Time will only tell if the Federation recognizes the resolve of the Caldari people to commit ourselves; mind, body and spirit, to the securing of the Caldari home world in the face of continued attempts to wrest it from our control. Listen well to your Doves and re-conciliatory elements, Federation capsuleers. You stand to come out with a lot of blood on your hands if the matter is pushed, and it has been proven time and time again that your culture in particular judges that harshly.
If we're listening to our Doves, who among the State shall they make peace with? The Caldari have had five years to come to the negotiating table and settle the question of Caldari Prime. Instead they have left a fleet threatening utter destruction on our doorstep while they imprison or murder our brothers and sisters held hostage on the world you call "Home." |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
811
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Posted - 2013.03.19 12:40:00 -
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Citizens of the Federation will never bow down to tyrants, any true citizen of the Federation would be willing to fight and die for his or her freedom and individuality.
The people on Caldari Prime are fighting not merely for their livelihoods but also to their right to exist in this universe, cold and uncaring as it may be.
This 'Home' of yours is just a 'Home' to them as it is to you. As usual, your skewed perspective only makes you look like the hypocrites that you are with the usual "It's only wrong when it applies to others." prattle I've been hearing so much lately.
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
100
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Posted - 2013.03.19 12:49:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:Citizens of the Federation will never bow down to tyrants.
This is what you are being.
Mekhana wrote:The people on Caldari Prime are fighting not merely for their livelihoods but also to their right to exist in this universe, cold and uncaring as it may be.
Indeed. We are.
Mekhana wrote: As usual, your skewed perspective only makes you look like the hypocrites that you are with the usual "It's only wrong when it applies to others." prattle I've been hearing so much lately.
You share that hypocrisy, pilot Mekhana. |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
812
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:18:00 -
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Invaders and occupiers calling us tyrants while they cowardly hold the civilian population hostage and secretly operate concentration and death camps.
Only the Summit could produce such a gem.
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
101
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:21:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:
Only the Summit could produce such a gem.
I agree, the notion is ridiculous.
Suitably, you came up with it.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1075
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:24:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:... any true citizen of the Federation would be willing to fight and die...
I dislike this "true citizen" phrase it implies that there are also people that are not true citizens of the Fed. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
101
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:27:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
I dislike this "true citizen" phrase it implies that there are also people that are not true citizens of the Fed.
The 'true citizen' fallacy is well-known. It's used to guilt onlookers into agreeing with your argument whilst undermining your opponent's position and making no attempt to make your stance more credible.
It can sufficiently be ignored. |
Zsaryna Adrelana
The Phantom Regiment
THE ROYAL NAVY
29
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:28:00 -
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Well this is interesting news.
I wish Admiral Yalana the best of luck in her new role, the current situation clearly requires a great deal of experience, discretion and wisdom, both of which I am sure the admiral possesses in spades. Given the amount of firepower at her behest, I pray for her judgement to remain clear, and for her to keep her weapons cool unless the tactical need demands it and even then only to prosecute military targets. This war doesn't need any more atrocities.
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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
144
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:32:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:Invaders and occupiers calling us tyrants...
How does one invade their own homeworld?
Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home.
-Cold Wind |
Solarienne
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
75
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:36:00 -
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Did someone say True Citizens? |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
812
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:39:00 -
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Kiddo, here's a tip for your next argument:
When the opposite side brings up a point, always counter this point with something relevant supporting you.
At least next time try to point out my fallacies instead of just proving my point further.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
1598
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:41:00 -
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Solarienne, I think mean "True citizens" as in the "No True Gallente" logical fallacy |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1075
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:42:00 -
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Solarienne wrote:Did someone say True Citizens?
No |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
812
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:45:00 -
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Tavin Aikisen wrote:Mekhana wrote:Invaders and occupiers calling us tyrants... How does one invade their own homeworld?
If the Federation had ancestral claims to New Caldari and hypothetically held there a world hostage, you'd probably not be too happy either.
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Solarienne
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
76
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:49:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Solarienne, I think mean "True citizens" as in the "No True Gallente" logical fallacy
That much is clear to me. It is just sad watching a failed nation embracing its own corruption and hypocrisy, arguing against a failed State that can't live up to its own ancestral values. That and willful misinterpretation is 'in vogue' if the current conversation is anything to go by, and I always so wanted to be popular...
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Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:52:00 -
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May the admiral prove to have a level-head and a strong will. We're going to need both for the future. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
1598
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:52:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:Tavin Aikisen wrote:Mekhana wrote:Invaders and occupiers calling us tyrants... How does one invade their own homeworld? If the Federation had ancestral claims to New Caldari and hypothetically held there a world hostage, you'd probably not be too happy either.
I'm sorry, what? |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
274
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Posted - 2013.03.19 13:52:00 -
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Breaking news - they don't.
The Caldari, however, hail from that particular world in Luminaire and do have a claim. Nice of you to acknowledge at least that.
So, all that pointless bickering aside - I want to wish the good admiral the best of luck and express my confidence that her experience will see us all through this crisis.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
102
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Posted - 2013.03.19 14:00:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:
So, all that pointless bickering aside - I want to wish the good admiral the best of luck and express my confidence that her experience will see us all through this crisis.
Succinct words. I also extend my regards. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
140
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Posted - 2013.03.19 14:02:00 -
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So, the Federal propaganda now has a famous face to place behind the Shiigeru's presence.
I'm more interested in what kind of 'leaked documents' will FIO publish about that than the actual return of the aforementioned Admiral.
In any case good luck, et cetera...
- L. C, Domination Malakim
.stillwater |
Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.03.19 14:03:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:If the Federation had ancestral claims to New Caldari and hypothetically held there a world hostage, you'd probably not be too happy either.
Here's what I don't understand Mlle. Mekhana, the people (not the planet) on Caldari Prime are being held hostage in case of scenarios just like the ones you're praising. Do you not see the inevitable outcome?
People are going to die because both sides are too busy playing the villain while wearing the mask of the victim. |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
811
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Posted - 2013.03.19 14:06:00 -
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Ms.Desiderya,
That might have been a long time ago but now the system of Luminaire is sovereign Federation territory and it's birthplace.
The situation on Caldari Prime is a front to Federation sovereignty and as such is an act of war.
It is something unavoidable and irreparable as of now.
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Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
811
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Posted - 2013.03.19 14:14:00 -
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Lialus Raithe wrote:Here's what I don't understand Mlle. Mekhana, the people (not the planet) on Caldari Prime are being held hostage in case of scenarios just like the ones you're praising. Do you not see the inevitable outcome?
People are going to die because both sides are too busy playing the villain while wearing the mask of the victim.
Idealistically, I'm against the invasion and occupation of a Gallente world. There's also the imprisonment and killing of Federation citizens.
Politically, I'm against the breach of sovereign Federation territory as I explained earlier.
Personally, I'm a mix of the two. The best thing I can do right now or perhaps the only thing I can think of doing in this dire situation is to be stern and wish for a favorable outcome as possible to the conflict.
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Toluijin Chagangan
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
31
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Posted - 2013.03.19 14:47:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:So, the Federal propaganda now has a famous face to place behind the Shiigeru's presence.
I'm more interested in what kind of 'leaked documents' will FIO publish about that than the actual return of the aforementioned Admiral.
In any case good luck, et cetera...
Such an impressive 'lifetime imprisonment' there Caine.
Seriously doubted it's authenticity at the time.
If you are still under confinement please ask your guards to remove your GalNet access.
Seven Tribes
One Matari People. |
Kallo Unarmored
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:05:00 -
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Well, it seems with this turning more and more to war; at least business will be good for the next few years. |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
105
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:06:00 -
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Kallo Unarmored wrote:Well, it seems with this turning more and more to war; at least business will be good for the next few years.
Oi. |
Kallo Unarmored
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:10:00 -
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Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:Kallo Unarmored wrote:Well, it seems with this turning more and more to war; at least business will be good for the next few years. Oi.
Someone has to make a living, Ostrakon Agency has some nice contracts. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
667
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Posted - 2013.03.19 15:12:00 -
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I am relieved that Admiral Yanala has returned to her place above the homeworld. May she bring peace, honour and stability as the highest of her escorts. |
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