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Wolla
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Posted - 2005.08.25 05:16:00 -
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good day all..
please note, this is not me complaining or whineing.
this post is more my opinion, and a request of, if you agree at all with me, that you post here, kinda like a pettition..
as you may or may not know, i am a pirate and out-law.
i carebear'd it up for about 4 or 5 months when i first started playing EVE, mining, and agent running really, nothing too special.. joined a few corps, but still did little other than mining..
I seen all these guys with billions of isk, and t2 BPO's and BS BPO's, and literally raking in the cash..
this kinda started making me depressed, as i was allways living off the lining of my wallet..
i basically got fed up with the grind of mining or shooting NPC's as it was extremely repetative (i joined a mmo for the varying game play created by the players). so i decided to go into PvP for a litle more action, either that or quit and go back to std gaming (the free kind)..
to the point..
i personally think the security status format sucks, i dont see why i and many others have to stay in 0.4 or lower.
I have been on the verge of leaving EVE for a litle while now, for the simple fact that now the NPC sec rises on the 750k NPC's has been evened out, it will take me well over 3 months of solid BS NPC'ing to return my self back to 0.0 sec status..
i personally find it annoying that i can no longer go shopping with out having to ask a friend to haul the stuff,
I also find it a shame, that if i ever decide that i'm fed up with pirating (like i did earlier with carebearing) that i simply have to quit the game, or start off fresh. i'm not willing to spend 3 or more months purely NPC'ing just so i can cary on with my char and the skills i have learned, but with a new life-style..
the way i see it, is its a computer game, just because i wanted to try a PvP role, and create a major part of the game by becoming a pirate, rather than `try and make billions of cash using some form of trade.
What are we supposed to do?
my solution:
1) make it easier or make more ways to increase your sec.
2) make it so out-laws can still enter high sec space, but people can still shoot them at will.
the simple fact for me is this..
if i ever decide i have either ran outta money, or simply wanna try the production side of things, i feel my only choices are
1) quit EVE and try a different game
2) start a new charachter, waste the whole time i have been training this one.
3) create a system in which your sec status gradually goes down on a timer type basis, and gets topped up each time you make a kill.
i really don't know what to do anymore..
i have paid lots of my own hard earned cash to play, and train up my char, just to find he is useless now? there are minimal agents in the low-sec strations, and usually you need to get your rep up with them in high sec stations first..
if i remember corectly, half of the missions i took in low sec, need me to go to high sec to complete the mission.
i basically feel like i have been thrown over a prison lunch table, and told to take it like a man.. 
what are your opinions about this factor of the game??
please don't try to flame or smack, or even just have a go, as it makes you look stupid. this is my opinion, and simply would like other peoples opinions on it..
thanks for your time..
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.08.25 05:31:00 -
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I agree. Just like in real life, hardcore criminals like certain big names from middle-east can walk to shop in certain countries and noone will do anything because its cool that criminals walks amongst normal people.
Why not let same in EVE? It would be SOO much fun!
... no wait it wouldn't 
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.08.25 05:34:00 -
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I knew the price when i podded all those people.
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Dino Snore
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Posted - 2005.08.25 05:44:00 -
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Remove the 15 minute timer between sec status increases
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Wolla
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Posted - 2005.08.25 05:45:00 -
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don't get me wrong..
i'm not saying i was ayt all mis-lead..
i knew what i was doing..
but in RL, a criminal, does his time (if caught), then is basically set back to normal,
concord has blown me up many times, along with many others, is that not my punishment? the amount it has cost me to replace hose hundreds of ships and mods, not being able to go anywhere with out the high risk of losing my ships? is that not enough?
all it has done to me, is instead of when i get bored of pirating, i just go back to the normal way of carebearing life. i now either quit, make an alt and train it up from scratch, or do as i do now and sit in a stn all day waiting for something to happen, as i'm bored with the quiet low sec..
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Torvelian
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Posted - 2005.08.25 05:57:00 -
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I do see your problem, but if it was so easy to raise your sec rating I think a whole lot more will become pirats(just to try it out) and we dont need more of em imo 
But I do agree that the current system looks like a 'once a pirat, always a pirat' system which is a bit harsh.
How to fix it .. hmmm .. Don't really have a good idea 
As for agent being in low supply in low sec ... There are lots of em in 0.1 - 0.4 with even better quality then those in carebear space. You will also get more loyalty points per mission from these agents and you can find quality 20 agents which is not possible in carebear space.
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PsyBoRG
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Posted - 2005.08.25 06:05:00 -
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Edited by: PsyBoRG on 25/08/2005 06:05:51
imo u kinda have a point but also there needs to be a system to get rid of the "im pirate but my sec is -0.7 carebears" u should get punished for being a pirate but i would agree there is no going back as it is if u ever get tired of pirating and it needs to be fixed with out allowing carebear piracy...
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George Petsch
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Posted - 2005.08.25 06:50:00 -
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Hmmmm...
Maybe all modules that can modify the attributes of other ships (read: guns 'n stuff) should be offlined by default if a person with negative sec stat enters a system he/she isn't supposed to (systems he can't go to with the current scheme), going back to a more unsecure system pops the modules back on.
Besides that, the fire at will rule for outlaws should still be enforced.
That gives the ebil pirates an opportunity to get some stuff, while even the carebears can try out the malkuth standard they recently lootet from the belt rats in jita
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.08.25 07:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Dino Snore
Remove the 15 minute timer between sec status increases
well maybe not remove it but perhaps decrease it to 5min wich would still make it a month of npc hunting instead of 3months.
it would still take alot of time to manage to get back into empire.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.08.25 07:50:00 -
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Kill 400k rats in level 4 missions.
0.8% increase for each one. It will pick up relatively quickly (note to carebears - not OMG quickly - just at an acceptable level)
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.08.25 07:53:00 -
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I live in low sec out of choice and know what the market is like there. However it would be a good opertunity for a pirate corp that controls a system to strike a deal with an industrial corp to set up a market in the system they camp and also to act as fences for gear i.e. they buy the named loot and ship to jita etc to sell.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.08.25 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
I live in low sec out of choice and know what the market is like there. However it would be a good opertunity for a pirate corp that controls a system to strike a deal with an industrial corp to set up a market in the system they camp and also to act as fences for gear i.e. they buy the named loot and ship to jita etc to sell.
I used to do that over 2 years ago.
Selling pirate loot, and importing the stuff they needed.
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Carvas
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Posted - 2005.08.25 09:11:00 -
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If anything it should be harder for pirates to regain positive status. Even when RL crims do the time they still are observed and monitored (parole officers etc).
Giving a know thief/murderer amnesty should come with severe restrictions and require considerable time to prove you have genuinely reformed.
But that would make the game downright depressing for a lot of folk, so be happy with the system we have.
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Corsair Thunder
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Posted - 2005.08.25 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Corsair Thunder on 25/08/2005 09:21:05
Piracy is a chosen path that you can take, and i don't see how making it easier to get your sec stat up helps the game. You know the consequences of shooting other players in low sec and podding them, deal with it. There are plenty of other pirates out there who don't care about their sec status and have a lot of fun and stick with their chosen profession.
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Bishop 5
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Posted - 2005.08.25 09:32:00 -
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Uhm... make an alt, stick em in Empire and train them to haul... simple, eh? :P
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Schroni
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Posted - 2005.08.25 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wolla
2) make it so out-laws can still enter high sec space, but people can still shoot them at will.
that's a pretty good idea, atleast in my opinion.
On the other hand, personally i think the security status system is pretty much ok as it is... You knew that you'd have a hard time getting back in empire when you podded all those people you naughty pirate 
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Nukleanis
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Posted - 2005.08.25 11:01:00 -
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Bribes?
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.08.25 11:09:00 -
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You are allowed to attack and kill anyone in Eve you want to. But the price of those actions is exile to the vastness of 0.0, where the loot is better the ore is better and there is more fun.
What did the man say? "If you cant do the time, dont do the crime."
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Agricola Augusta
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Posted - 2005.08.25 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Wolla
i have paid lots of my own hard earned cash to play, and train up my char, just to find he is useless now?
It seems you made a bad decision and now you're paying for it. I wouldn't blame the system as you were aware of it before deciding to prey upon others. You should either quit EVE or mark it down to experience and get your sec status up. What will you do if you don't pirate probably mission running anyway?
Yours Sincerely,
Agricola Augusta (High Priestess)
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Zephirz
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Posted - 2005.08.25 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Zephirz on 25/08/2005 21:10:21
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Bribing = stupid.
But CONCORD shouldn't kill you for sec status... players should. You should be able to enter high sec, but EVERYONE should be allowed to shoot you... 
1. if your a pirate i doubt u will mind to bribe sumone
2. CONCORD is a police force It makes more sense that concord is allowed to shoot you but players are not.
Btw If u hire a hacker or something u can always add a change off the hacker being cought by concord deals off u lose ur isk... should be a small chance tough. or a chance that concord finds out and u'll getting back ur original sec status while ur in the middle of high sec with tech 2 goodies in ur cargo "oh ****"
"edit" oh superscarface also tought of that ^ missied it :P
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Bosie
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Posted - 2005.08.26 00:05:00 -
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So how come CONCORD and faction Navys sit there and watch NPC BS' at gates in 1.0 and do nothing? It's up to players to kill them, why not the same with us? Or at least give us a decent NPC market in low sec as it is a pain using an alt to buy 95% of the things that are needed.
Meh, what we need are industrial corps to come to low sec and build, ohh wait becuase of whiners we have to gank at gates now no questions asked...
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TjanitN Tcroxlr
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Posted - 2005.08.26 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: TjanitN Tcroxlr on 26/08/2005 14:04:58
I have never said this before, and I hope I never have an opportunity to say it again, but...
Can I have your stuff...err...I mean the stuff of all those innocent victims that you stole? And now you don't want to serve the sentance that you already knew was set for your actions? There is no plea-bargaining and no early parole in Eve. You new the consequences before you started your griefing, but you were bored. Waaaaaah bored. Well now you can be bored somewhere else. You didnt give a rip about the feelings of your victims. We're supposed to care how you feel?
BTW, your thread title is wrong. It shouldnt be, "Justice OR CUL", it should be, "Justice IS CUL"
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nightjackel
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Posted - 2005.08.26 16:21:00 -
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I to live as a -10 pirate. Lucky I have an alt that can haul stuff for me , but that req a separate account. The idea of bribing concord is a very good one which could be very costly. Another option could be a Jail. Now it would cost you game play but better then spending 3 months fixing your sec in 0.0. Say for everday you spend in Jail you gain .1 (could be higher) sec rating. This could take sometime to get back up to 0.0 . To be caught you would have to be able to get into .5 and above. The addition of a skill could reduce the chance that concord or the areas police could catch you. But if you want to be caught you could just turn yourself in. And this is where you could also bribe your Jailers. With a skill to reduce the price aswell. I think the role playing of being a pirate could be increase , allowing Lic Bounty hunters allowing them to Hunt people with - sec as high as -1.5 . Not everyone could hunt pirates as it would take a skill and a lic with the area police not for all of eve.
Just a few thoughts
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gfldex
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
1) Any sec status can go anywhere, but if you're of a sec status that would now cause you to be attacked by faction navies (I.E. -2.1 in a 1.0) it means players can attack you (and you can defend). and obviously once you hit -5.0 you can go anywhere but are still freely attackable anywhere.
I wanna have bubbles in empire then. :->
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sesanti
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:51:00 -
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I don't like the idea of a jail. And i disagree with those that say "do the crime, pay the price"... or that u should stop "whining" or "quit". It's just a game, not real life. As long as a balanced solution for this problem is found, i see no problems implementing it.
It appeals to me idea of briberies... that's a nice one, but the prices for bribing should be set higher than 100m... considering the prices that many ships sell for (and what pirates can get from ransoms or extremely expensive loot). 100m for going back to 0.0 is nonsense, prob. it should be much higher. It doesn't occur to me any kinda of exploit about this issue (which i don't mean there isn't, just i can't see it)
And continuing with my philosophy of "it's just a game" i believe there should be a better way of getting your rep. up sooner than what it is now.
I joined this game to try to do everything, and if i were to try pirating sometime, i would like a painless way to go back to high. space without having to start over or spending half a year trying to increase my sec. status (considering many people don't play a lot everyday for RL issues).
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Zephirz
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Posted - 2005.08.26 17:57:00 -
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Aye 100mil is a bit cheap but it was an example :) anyways i dont like the jail idea beindin jail is boring and i waste ur das wch u could spent on moneymaking...
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sesanti
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Posted - 2005.08.26 18:15:00 -
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And once with a set price that is fair... there could be a "Bribery" skill that would allow for less money having to be paid for sec. rating increase...
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FooB2
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Posted - 2005.08.26 18:23:00 -
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bribing may not be the most perfect idea, but it does solve a few problems. for a start, those whiners that keep saying that miners work thier asses off in carebear space to make a mmeasly 10mil a day while pirates kill someone and make that in a second. the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, it would take some excess SIK out of the pirates wallets. but a simple bribe system is too easy.
i say make us do it in the form of agent missions in 0.0 or at best low sec space. say we do missions for the blood raiders, we should get the "ill give you your sec back by hacking" as an agent mission offer, that would take you a while to get. that way its not as easy as instantly doing it and paying isk, but you could still make them pay for the priveleges of getting the sec back, and even not in the form of just ISK, like say "bring me a CONCORD tag, some DNA, and n amount of ISK" , and i suppose it would make some use for the hacking skills that have been introduced.
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sesanti
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Posted - 2005.08.26 18:28:00 -
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That's a nice one too that would have to be thought... and on bribing... iwas thinking that maybe u can't bribe back to 0.0, but to the minimun sec. status that allows entrance, maybe, to 0.7 or 0.8 space (at most).... it can be parametrized as they see fit so they don't unbalance the game having pirates get to -10 and the next day being 0.0 in just one go.
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TjanitN Tcroxlr
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Posted - 2005.08.26 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: sesanti
i disagree with those that say ... that u should stop "whining" or "quit".
Please understand the context. the main point of the OP's thread is, "If you dont change the rules, just for me, I am leaving Eve." He was the one who made the ultimatum, not us. Quite frankly, if he wants to have that kind of attitude, I dont want him in EVE with me.
Originally by: sesanti
As long as a balanced solution for this problem is found, i see no problems implementing it.
There is no "problem" that needs a solution. He knew the consequences of his actions. There is a way to get his secrate back, although it is slow and difficult. To change the rules because all of the sudden the consequences of his own actions seems a lot more harsh when it's real than it did when it was only a threat undermines the whole point of having rules in the first place. It wasnt like he didnt know he would be locked out of Empire till he got his secrate up. He's like a silly little girl trying to seduce the cop so he wont write her a ticket when she knew damned well she was speeding. Throw the book at him, is what I say. And if he wants to leave because *GASP* a game has rules! and *DOUBLE GASP* enforces them , then it's good riddance to bad trash and I want his stuff.
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