They really should be neut/nos sensitive

After a near decade this game is surprisingly well balanced for an RPG.

Rule of thumb is if you think something is without use then you really need to re-evaluate it and the context around its use because something huge just passed under your radar.

This goes double so for the people who currently assume that armour tanking is worthless.

You aren't taking reload time into account... : /

A normal booster can survive much longer fights.

You can't really compare this game to other RPGs because there is nothing really like it. EvE is too unique in that regard.

Ship to ship balance is as RPG cookie cutter as it gets.

What?

Hmmmm, it would be absolutely trivial to go through Eve and categorize ships+fits as being MDPS (Gallente), RDPS (Amarr or LR weapons), Support/Heals (CS/Logi), or Support/Control (Recons). Of course, there's the mix/match of ship setup and unconventional setups thrown in the mix, but ultimately conventional setups are conventional because of how well they work.

The biggest differences I see are the profound lack of AOE and DOT in Eve combining with the utterly boolean state of our control effects. Once you get snared (webbed) in Eve, you will remain so until you get range (ha ha ha) or the module is deactivated.

Anyway, there are differences, sure... but they're not so large. And many of the same game design balance decisions are made in Eve as are made everywhere else. Maybe, just maybe, because conventional setups are conventional because they work.

-Liang

Except there's also tracking and agility, balance versus wallet, balance between and among ship sizes, I don't think you would approach balancing internet spaceships online the way one would go about balancing most other MMOs.

use deadspace ones?

Yeah you keep saying that but in the end we're still just spinning around our opponent, kicking each other in the shins with the victor being the one who brought the biggest boots.

If you think that the depth of PvP in this game can be summed down to pushing orbit and whoever has the better fit / skills = winner then you are bad at PvP have much to learn.

Skill is part of it but Eve is more rock-paper-scissors than most RPGs.

Strictly speaking PvP.

The climate right now is go ancillary booster or go home.

I was hoping when CCP said they wanted to "make active tanking more competitive with buffer" They meant actually balancing the current modules instead of releasing another overpowered one.

No matter what I do I cannot find a reason why I'd want to use a regular shield booster over an ancillary or dual-ancillary booster setup.

Not only do I dedicate more slots to doing the same thing, I end up doing it worse in the end.

It makes no sense.


Can CCP respond to what they are going to do about this? Are ancillary shield boosters going to be the only pvp module for shield active tankers or can we expect a REAL balancing soon?

And you are basing this on what experience? The 15 or less total engagements you've had?

If you just jumped into PvP and are not having good performance... Don't try to blame the game as being shallow for your shortcomings.

This attitude is one of the things that can hinder your development as a competent PvPer. Go watch some PvP videos with pilot commentary (kil2, eveiseasy), or listen to a few small gang PvP podcasts and attempt to try and understand what they are even talking about. You will realize that the PvP in this game has much more depth than any of those other theme park MMOs.

I personally wouldn't talk about active shield-tanking without considering tengulinks.
Once you got Links, a Blue-pill (and in lowsec your crystalset) then you are ready for some 'solo-pvp' with a standard-SB.
But I got to agree, tengu+blue-pill OR ASB or gtfo.

Given the efficiency of booster charges, the regular ones aren't even that much better I believe. A classy Sleip/Cyclone with an X-Large turns ~800cap into ~3000hp. I believe an ASB creates some 2k using a 400 booster. Please correct me If I did major mistakes considering the cap-shield efficiency.

Strictly speaking PvP.

The climate right now is go ancillary booster or go home.

I was hoping when CCP said they wanted to "make active tanking more competitive with buffer" They meant actually balancing the current modules instead of releasing another overpowered one.

No matter what I do I cannot find a reason why I'd want to use a regular shield booster over an ancillary or dual-ancillary booster setup.

Not only do I dedicate more slots to doing the same thing, I end up doing it worse in the end.

It makes no sense.


Can CCP respond to what they are going to do about this? Are ancillary shield boosters going to be the only pvp module for shield active tankers or can we expect a REAL balancing soon?

No I'm basing it on how the ships are designed and customized. If you pick the right harderners and the opponent the wrong ones. What type of ammo, weapons and range. We specialize against something with every choice we make and it makes us weaker against other things. This is balanced with fleet warfare. As there's no solo pvp in Eve.

And please do not throw meaningless words like "depth" at me. Especially not about pvp balance. When compared to some of the larger MMOs out there, Eve is a basement side project. The complete lack of 1vs1 balance in Eve may very well be a financial decision. That they don't have the manpower and income for it to be worth trying.


You also need to drop the fanboy attitude. Off with the rose tinted goggles. Eve is a game like any other. Any preference we have is just personal opinion. Eve is not some masterpiece that outshines the rest. It's just different. A very niched game for a very niched audience.

If you look at it from an objective standpoint Eve contains a lot of corner cutting due to the fact that it's made by a smaller developer.


"different" is the word you seek. Not deeper or more complex or meaningful. Just different. Aligning and burning out of another ships range or moving close to keep the turrets from tracking you is no more deeper than simple kiting an opponent in WoW or jumping out of their AOE effects and closing the distance as a melee character.

You can't really compare this game to other RPGs because there is nothing really like it. EvE is too unique in that regard.




I just fit two of em.

And please do not throw meaningless words like "depth" at me. Especially not about pvp balance. When compared to some of the larger MMOs out there, Eve is a basement side project. The complete lack of 1vs1 balance in Eve may very well be a financial decision. That they don't have the manpower and income for it to be worth trying.

Your example of supreme skill was a dice roll on the warp distance?

All you did was put 3 cups in front of the enemy labelled 0, 50 and 100 and then gambled victory on him "finding the ball"


if he had randomly picked 50 and landed on you. Would your inevitable defeat meant he outskilled you for randomly picking the right distance?

simply use 2 x-large ASB.