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Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:25:00 -
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how does a titan go from "shields nominal"
to "all hands abandon ship"
in 2 minutes unless it's scripted?
CCP are the French
gate camping=/=PVP
everything else is fair game |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle
Tactical Narcotics Team
756
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:28:00 -
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Well, the leaked video of a Dust battlefield littered with wreckage and, I dunno, a burning Caldari titan in the background, wasn't a hint?
I'm not entirely clear on the point of this, but I do have a sudden urge to jump in a catalyst and blow up a miner.
Twitter! - @AzamiNevinyrall
I'm half expecting a ban for this post. |
Vily
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:28:00 -
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its obvious they needed the titan to die
dropping 20 moros on anything means it was a pre-determined outcome, either that or they have no idea how a capfight is gonna go gallente vs. caldari when one has superly overpowered caps and the other side has the weakest |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
431
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:30:00 -
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Vily wrote:its obvious they needed the titan to die
dropping 20 moros on anything means it was a pre-determined outcome, either that or they have no idea how a capfight is gonna go gallente vs. caldari when one has superly overpowered caps and the other side has the weakest
don't be so close-minded
it could easily be both |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
1939
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:32:00 -
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Calathorn Virpio wrote:how does a titan go from "shields nominal"
to "all hands abandon ship"
in 2 minutes unless it's scripted?
Just because the loss of the titan was scripted does not mean the battle effect is scripted. Most RPGs have "scripted events," even those that are considered open world and player destined: Mass Effect, Fallout, etc...
Who cares if the titan was scripted to be doomed... that doesn't mean you can't change the outcome on who controls Caldari Prime, or who... |
Matari Akiga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:32:00 -
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anyone got a kill mail for the titan, like we got for the Sansha ships during live events?
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Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
17
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:35:00 -
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someone got it, but goonswarm is spamming all chats, so can't grab it
CCP are the French
gate camping=/=PVP
everything else is fair game |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2260
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:35:00 -
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They're never going to make an event that's going to please everyone.
Mane 614
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Naiami Cinpeh
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
Nulli Secunda
1
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:38:00 -
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I was stunned and shocked. Totally unexpected. |
Bjron
501st Amarr
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:44:00 -
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Matari Akiga wrote:anyone got a kill mail for the titan, like we got for the Sansha ships during live events?
http://i.imgur.com/GBaHwba.png
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1at8p8/caldari_titan_down_over_caldari_prime/
? |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
273
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:49:00 -
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Calathorn Virpio wrote:someone got it, but goonswarm is spamming all chats, so can't grab it
Seriously? CCP can't just squelch and/or ban people abusing a public chat channel during a public event?
edit: Waiting to hear about the Caldari going through with the "mutually assured destruction" thing and having glassed the Gallente district before the Shiigeru blew up. |
Naiami Cinpeh
League of Non-Aligned Worlds
Nulli Secunda
1
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:54:00 -
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Their news post has already explained the titan's final moments. Doesn't sound like it's going to do much of anything beyond land softly on an evacuated city district.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?of=true&newsTitle=shiigeru-destroyed-federation-navy-offensive-in-luminaire-still-ongoing-1 |
Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
18
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Posted - 2013.03.22 18:56:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Calathorn Virpio wrote:someone got it, but goonswarm is spamming all chats, so can't grab it Seriously? CCP can't just squelch and/or ban people abusing a public chat channel during a public event? edit: Waiting to hear about the Caldari going through with the "mutually assured destruction" thing and having glassed the Gallente district before the Shiigeru blew up.
nothing so far, suggested a frighter suicide run on gallente prime, ah well, made 30+mill in loot and didn't lose a ship.
CCP are the French
gate camping=/=PVP
everything else is fair game |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
273
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:09:00 -
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Calathorn Virpio wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Calathorn Virpio wrote:someone got it, but goonswarm is spamming all chats, so can't grab it Seriously? CCP can't just squelch and/or ban people abusing a public chat channel during a public event? edit: Waiting to hear about the Caldari going through with the "mutually assured destruction" thing and having glassed the Gallente district before the Shiigeru blew up. nothing so far, suggested a frighter suicide run on gallente prime, ah well, made 30+mill in loot and didn't lose a ship.
Would have made a great sight for the Titan to fire salvos of capital missiles and its doomsday on the planet just before it popped. |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
67
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:14:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Would have made a great sight for the Titan to fire salvos of capital missiles and its doomsday on the planet just before it popped.
And ended a few random DUST games in the process, right?  |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
273
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Posted - 2013.03.22 19:16:00 -
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JAF Anders wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:
Would have made a great sight for the Titan to fire salvos of capital missiles and its doomsday on the planet just before it popped.
And ended a few random DUST games in the process, right?
Oh **** yeah! I could just imagine a Dust player's stream showing that from their perspective. Though it will have to remain in imagination *grumble* |
Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
18
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:28:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Well, the leaked video of a Dust battlefield littered with wreckage and, I dunno, a burning Caldari titan in the background, wasn't a hint?
that. and the fact the titan didn't shoot its doomsday ONCE
ccp didn't want to accidently make it possible for the caldari to win
CCP are the French
gate camping=/=PVP
everything else is fair game |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission
Fleet Coordination Coalition
553
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:37:00 -
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Calathorn Virpio wrote:how does a titan go from "shields nominal"
to "all hands abandon ship"
in 2 minutes unless it's scripted?
It was no where near "shields nominal" and then 2 minutes to death.
The fleet focused it first and got it to about 25% shields remaining. They then switched to the Chimeras that were remote repping it and wasted all of those (bar one) and 3 of the 4 Wyrvens. They then switched back to the Titan (which hadn't for some reason received any reps) and quickly disposed of what remaining shields it had. Armour and structure are more or less irrelevant on it compared to it's shields.
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Gabriel Karade
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
36
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Posted - 2013.03.22 20:47:00 -
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It wasn't scripted, and it was nothing like '2 minutes'.
Two of the Wyvern's were cleared off the field reasonably quickly, but after that it [the fight] slowed significantly, particularly when a large proportion of the fire was split between the two fleets and all the suspects (because everyone loves KM whoring).
The fact of the matter is, most people went for the Caldari fleet as soon as the 23 FN MorosGÇÖ landed, to get on supercap killmails - if more had gone for the MorosGÇÖ things might have been quite different with all the capital shield reps available, but they didnGÇÖt, so the Titan died.
In short, quit whining, Titan down, war goes on... (1 Titan is still bugger all in Empire navy terms)
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770
War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |
Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
18
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:15:00 -
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no doomsday firing and gallente get 30 dreads, how does that NOT sound scripted?
CCP are the French
gate camping=/=PVP
everything else is fair game |
Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:24:00 -
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Oh for goodness sake.
Yulai was scripted.
The Elder War was scripted.
Kadur's invasion was scripted.
Most of these storyline events happen during downtime with no pleyr involvement at all, so stop being a bunch of whiny little bitches and just accept that things change sometimes and there is nothing you can do about it
I'm more worried about the fact that everything in Null is scripted or agreed upon in advance these days. |
Calathorn Virpio
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
18
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:26:00 -
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Julien Brellier wrote:Oh for goodness sake.
Yulai was scripted.
The Elder War was scripted.
Kadur's invasion was scripted.
Most of these storyline events happen during downtime with no pleyr involvement at all, so stop being a bunch of whiny little bitches and just accept that things change sometimes and there is nothing you can do about it
I'm more worried about the fact that everything in Null is scripted or agreed upon in advance these days.
if it's scripted say so, this false advertising just pissed me off
CCP are the French
gate camping=/=PVP
everything else is fair game |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2827
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:28:00 -
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I think the one thing we can all agree on is that at least it was a better ending than Mass Effect 3.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Simon Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Kaltiovon
344
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:30:00 -
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Bitching about something scripted during downtime with no promise of player influence doesn't really fit the same bill. False advertisement is something to ***** about assuming its ever discovered that this was scripted. Personally I flew in with no doubt that we'd lose. CCP dropped some heavy hints about it and the situation was dire from the get go.
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I think the one thing we can all agree on is that at least it was a better ending than Mass Effect 3.
Ha! true enough!
The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt;
Thus fools go forth to spread false word.
- The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21 |
Gabriel Karade
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
36
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:34:00 -
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1. DD can't be fired in empire space at all - fundamental mechanic that can't be changed on the fly, besides even if you could - which 1 DD, 1 target blapped - big deal.
2. It's Gallente space, they have the home advantage (and it was 23 Moros that warped in) not to mention the bigger Navy
3. Most of the players wanted to ***** a Titan or super killmail.
4. It wasn't simply 23 Moros vs Titan, there were 4x Wyverns there, 5 Phoenix, and 9 Chimera's when the FN dreads warped in.
5. Titan did not die until its support was taken out.
If a strong power block had wanted to, those Moros' would have died. No Moros - no Titan kill, but I refer you back to point 3).
At the end of the day there were really 4 types of people involved:
Caldari loyalist - want to see FN fleet die
Gallente loyalist - want to see Titan die, FN fleet succeed
Random who wants to ***** on Supercap kill-mail
Random who wants to ***** on the KM of those whoring on the Supercap kill-mail.
I count myself somewhat in camp 2, but really more in 3 & 4, in particular 4. IGÇÖm sure if you did a straw poll most would probably just be in camps 3 and 4, actually borne out by how long fighting continued once all the supers were gone.
So yes, FN had the initial advantage, but no-one (who could) seriously went all out to support the Caldari by sorting out those dreads (which were stock T2 fit btw).
Quit whining.
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770
War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |
Namdor
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:36:00 -
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Quote:1. DD can't be fired in empire space at all - fundamental mechanic that can't be changed on the fly,
....yeah, right.
I sincerely doubt it would require much more than flipping a single boolean field somewhere. |
Abraham Nalelmir
FATAL Warfare
0
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:41:00 -
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Quote:1. DD can't be fired in empire space at all - fundamental mechanic that can't be changed on the fly,
Caps not supposed to be in empire space as well |
Gabriel Karade
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
36
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:42:00 -
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Namdor wrote:Quote:1. DD can't be fired in empire space at all - fundamental mechanic that can't be changed on the fly, ....yeah, right. I sincerely doubt it would require much more than flipping a single boolean field somewhere. Are you bestowed of "Dev-level" knowledge? no? - then shut up.
Technical details aside, you do know there are other ramifications beyond this 1 event in 1 system, of suddenly 'turning on' Empire based DD's on TQ, right?...
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770
War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |
Namdor
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:48:00 -
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Gabriel Karade wrote:Namdor wrote:Quote:1. DD can't be fired in empire space at all - fundamental mechanic that can't be changed on the fly, ....yeah, right. I sincerely doubt it would require much more than flipping a single boolean field somewhere. Are you bestowed of "Dev-level" knowledge? no? - then shut up.
...yeah, it's a computer program, dude. It's not magic.
It would be trivially easy to enable the Shiigeru's DD in high security without impacting anything else in the game.
http://www.imgjoe.com/x/computersrha.png
Oh, hey, lookie-there. |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2013.03.22 21:49:00 -
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If you want "scripted," perhaps an event where some ships fly in to the heart of the Federation and capture Luminaire's neighbor might fit the bill a *wee* bit more than a lone titan holding out in the heart of the Federation while orbiting Luminaire's neighbor.
Of course it was "scripted."
The war between the State and Federation is not going to play out according to the ephemeral wishes of (let's be honest, relatively small) segments of the player base. And that's just fine.
It's not like the Gallente aren't going to have their turn under the bat again soon enough. |
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