its obvious they needed the titan to die

dropping 20 moros on anything means it was a pre-determined outcome, either that or they have no idea how a capfight is gonna go gallente vs. caldari when one has superly overpowered caps and the other side has the weakest

how does a titan go from "shields nominal"

to "all hands abandon ship"

in 2 minutes unless it's scripted?

anyone got a kill mail for the titan, like we got for the Sansha ships during live events?

someone got it, but goonswarm is spamming all chats, so can't grab it

Seriously? CCP can't just squelch and/or ban people abusing a public chat channel during a public event?

edit: Waiting to hear about the Caldari going through with the "mutually assured destruction" thing and having glassed the Gallente district before the Shiigeru blew up.

nothing so far, suggested a frighter suicide run on gallente prime, ah well, made 30+mill in loot and didn't lose a ship.

Would have made a great sight for the Titan to fire salvos of capital missiles and its doomsday on the planet just before it popped.

And ended a few random DUST games in the process, right?

Well, the leaked video of a Dust battlefield littered with wreckage and, I dunno, a burning Caldari titan in the background, wasn't a hint?

how does a titan go from "shields nominal"

to "all hands abandon ship"

in 2 minutes unless it's scripted?

Oh for goodness sake.

Yulai was scripted.
The Elder War was scripted.
Kadur's invasion was scripted.

Most of these storyline events happen during downtime with no pleyr involvement at all, so stop being a bunch of whiny little bitches and just accept that things change sometimes and there is nothing you can do about it

I'm more worried about the fact that everything in Null is scripted or agreed upon in advance these days.

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that at least it was a better ending than Mass Effect 3.

1. DD can't be fired in empire space at all - fundamental mechanic that can't be changed on the fly,

1. DD can't be fired in empire space at all - fundamental mechanic that can't be changed on the fly,

....yeah, right.

I sincerely doubt it would require much more than flipping a single boolean field somewhere.

Are you bestowed of "Dev-level" knowledge? no? - then shut up.

that. and the fact the titan didn't shoot its doomsday ONCE

ccp didn't want to accidently make it possible for the caldari to win

...yeah, it's a computer program, dude. It's not magic.

It would be trivially easy to enable the Shiigeru's DD in high security without impacting anything else in the game.

P.s you snipped the rest of my comment - what difference would 1 DD have made, oh right yes, bugger all.

I didn't want to dilute the unadulterated idiocy inherent in the assertion that it is simply IMPOSSIBLE for CCP to fire a DD in high sec without destroying the very fabric of the Eve universe.

1. DD can't be fired in empire space at all - fundamental mechanic that can't be changed on the fly,

I'll just quote myself here:



Care to exaggerate more? And if this really were somehting that could be changed on the fly, it would have been done because they [Caldari] 'DD'd' the Concord special Ops BS... (but actually just talked about it in local after what was quite clearly a '/heal0')

how does a titan go from "shields nominal"

to "all hands abandon ship"

in 2 minutes unless it's scripted?

Anyhow getting back to the point: A truly 'scripted eventGÇÖ, would have occurred during downtime with no player involvement.

Or,
Involved invulnerable event actors, thus with no player involvement.

Or,
Event actors to which firing upon elicited a CONCORD response, with *lol* player involvement.

I also donGÇÖt understand the surprise at the FN holding the advantage in their own territory, particularly when the backstory goes into great detail about the disparity in size between the two navies. Even so, if the players involved had really wanted to, the outcome could have been very differentGǪ The OP appears to be mad just because it didnGÇÖt work out the way *he* wanted.

no just mad that it wasn't what CCP said it would be, an event were we the players decided what happened.

the accidental leak of the dying titan gave it away.

had the dev fleets been near evenly matched and the fight being totally determined by who all showed up and who they supported, i would have been fine with the outcome.

instead, no matter what we did, our titan still died. doesn't sound like we had much of a say in what happened after all

DD can't be fired in high sec. . .
You mean like how Capitals can't enter highsec either? Yet they did. If they want or need something to happen for an event, it happens.
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I am not sure whether or not the titan's death was scripted or it was legitimately shot, down, but you can't deny CCP stacked the deck to ensure that outcome regardless of player participation.

You mean like how Capitals can't enter highsec either? Yet they did. If they want or need something to happen for an event, it happens.
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I am not sure whether or not the titan's death was scripted or it was legitimately shot, down, but you can't deny CCP stacked the deck to ensure that outcome regardless of player participation.

Titan doomsdays are hardcoded not to work in high sec. There was no way we could used it without rewriting fundamental game code, something that wasn't feasible.

The player fleets resoundingly came down on the Gallente side, and you claim that therefore the titan destruction was scripted?
If you had massive capsuleer advantage on the Caldari side and the titan still went down, then you would have claim. Yet as it is it looks totally like players had say in the events, and they chose to say the Titan was going pop.
Unless you want to claim that those hundreds of players supporting the Gallente (One way or another) don't count.

It did... at CONCORD.

a CONCORD battleship at that.

the Caldari admiral mentioned the Oblivion module was 'cooling down' after she shot him.

still confused as to how that occurred... i guess her crew were just that good of an aim... right?

as for the 'can't be fired in highsec' quote...

CONCORD limitations affect FREELANCE CAPSULEERS (meaning players)... of course the faction navies can use their own ships and modules in space. there are consequences... as i hope the Caldari Navy are soon to find out... after shooting a DED officer, i have a feeling there is going to be some form of CONCORD fallout regarding that.

or there bloody well should be at least.

Expected to see Federation Fleet Destroyed first,, then the Caldari fleet destroyed by players. When I seen the 25 Dreads warp in I just logged off cause I knew nothing would of mattered with the player cap being at 1,000 players. Day dreamed about RnK's warping a fleet in for a nice video and really messing up the scripted event but ya. Caught the feed later on after the event was over.

I got to say, I had fun at this event, and I'd gladly do it again!

Though in response to whether the event was 'scripted,' I'd say 3 things I noticed:

1. Weren't the Caldari outnumbered in terms of numbers of capitals? I know they were in terms of player support (main Live Events fleets were 230+ Gallente vs. 80-100 Caldari).

2. Gallente had home-field advantage, so of course Gallente would be able to bring in as much as they could, while Caldari could only field limited numbers until the door closed on them.

3. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm not a veteran of null-sec combat, but Isn't a Moros a significantly more capable dreadnought than a Phoenix? That and the Moros Dreadnoughts were at point-blank range to their targets. Nothing is going to be able to defend against 20+ combined fire effects from Moros ships, so it's no surprise the Titan went down. I've felt the power of the Moros in Singularity, and if there's any relation between Singularity and Tranquility, the Moros is a tough nut to crack.

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that at least it was a better ending than Mass Effect 3.

Craawwwlliing in my skiiiiin...these woooords they willll not heeaallll...

WTF?

It's a Linkin Park song mate.

Also, event was scripted, deal with it v0v

1. DD can't be fired in empire space at all - fundamental mechanic that can't be changed on the fly, besides even if you could - 1 DD, 1 target blapped - big deal.



.

and no caps in empire

However this has very negative impact on player morale since why you would attend event where you have 0 impact on its result. So i hope ccp learned its lesson and this was last time they were manipulating the outcomes.

Anyone with half an ounce of common sense and understanding of EVE's lore and politics should have known that Titan was coming down. The possible storyline to unfold following the major shift of power when it's destroyed is much more rich than "welp it didn't die, everything basically goes back to normal." Still, a massive gathering of players showed up and the event was an overall success.

I hope that CCP did learn; that it's fine to script only the necessary portions of events that need to happen in order for interesting storylines to not go to waste.
People are squawking like the sandbox has been ruined and that CCP strangled the whole ordeal. CCP could have closed off the gates to the system, forced all the players out, then given us a Twitch.tv stream of an actors-only event playing out over the planet (maybe then we'd have actually seen the Titan explode). That's what he amount of rabble being generated by the rousers would suggest they did. But, they didn't. They set one parameter; the Titan dies. Other than that, everyone was free to do as they willed within the constraints of the game and the hardware running it.

Yes closing gates and making video with actors would be much better. Becouse it doesnt create negative rep. People have better things to do then come to event where they already know what happens. If ccp would advertise that is looking for actors only 100 people would come if ccp would be lucky. Players play eve becouse its sandbox where you make difference not becouse the results are public before event happens. Last time events were scripted it was complete PR disaster (Aurora i think) and CCP didnt learned its lesson. The events were stopped for several years becouse ccp couldnt get out from the negative rep the events got. IT was clear sign that players dont want scripted events at all and this attitude is persistant even now. IF there should be event it should have some objectives but left to players to achieve.

It has been not said "milion times". And yes the part about titan going down was certain since the info was alredy leaked so duh. About aurora and scripted events...basicaly saying "some of the player leads at the time abusing the power they had been gifted by CCP to reward their friends." Its the damn same thing as both outcomes were known before it has happened. It makes no moral difference that CCP just used extra ingame assets to move the caldari/gallente ark forward. Either its eve sandbox or its not. Its simple as that. When there will be next event guess what will be the first questions people will ask? Is it worth to go there? Do i make the difference in the outcome? If people will not be able to get answer to these questions from game company its harldy more then a staged brawl. You could as well join red vs blue and in fact it would be more fair outcome then live event.