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Aquila Shadow
Midnight Security Consulting
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Posted - 2013.03.23 10:02:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:The FCORD fleet was the one I scanned down on Gallente Prime? You lot warped in soon after the Dreads popped up.
No that was the Caldari fleet (That's right gals we were above your home world the entire time o.O)
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword" |
Radgette
New Eden Renegades
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Posted - 2013.03.23 10:12:00 -
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I beg to differ about the you can't get a 250man fleet when there's only 1k in local allowed to be coordinated
I was in Grideris Live Events fleet, we had roughly 240 members and although not perfectly coordinated people did a good job of following primaries on the caldari caps and the logi's guys were totally on the ball.
So atleast 1/4 of all pilots in system were "Gallente loyalists" if Grideris fleet had chosen to shoot the Gallente things might have gone differently.
Also even with all the DPS on the field. when the Titan was primaried at the start we couldn't break the RR. It was only after we took out 3/4 of the Wyverns and most of the chimaeras that we could then kill it.
So yes the Gallente had the home field advantage with dreads but they also had the player advantage. |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
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Posted - 2013.03.23 11:53:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:
Bullskittles. This fight did not belong to us. We could watch. But with it being in high sec, and there beign about 40-50 Caps on grid, half of them sieged Moros's blasting away and focusing firing, there is zero way players could've had any affect on that. I have no problem watching events. I love watching large scale things. But please do not sell events as "your actions" can make a difference and that the fight "belongs to you" when it doesn't.
Your prolly right, in that instance. But if you take a step back and consider the storm to be the build up of all your routine actions generating the friction of the future, then the lightening strikes of this event WERE a direct result of your .... motivations.
At least, I hope to all the norse gods that is what is happening. It is not entirely transparent what CCP does with storyline mission data. I suspect that Caldari being the bigger capsuleer mssn running faction consistently walks all over Gallente.
But having A Titen in highsec was untenable from the outset and made my skin crawl with prickly rage every time I passed through.
It had to be dealt with in some way. The FW guys I approached about getting the whale out of Fed space took a cool look at the game mechs and past attemps and came to the conclusion that only CCP themselves could shift it. So they have. Not as smoothly as I'd have liked, there was room for finesse and ironically much better crowd control.
Personally, I was hoping to see DUST boarding parties on the Leviathen itself, but I guess I'm too much of a dreamer. |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2013.03.23 15:50:00 -
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As for all the people talking about Grid's fleet, the point I am talking about is you all would've had to have been logi and side with the Caldari to even think about changing the outcome of that fight. Sorry but I do not see that happening in actuality. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2013.03.23 23:42:00 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:As for all the people talking about Grid's fleet, the point I am talking about is you all would've had to have been logi and side with the Caldari to even think about changing the outcome of that fight. Sorry but I do not see that happening in actuality.
Except thats not true.
You did the maths on the basis of 'To keep the Titan at 100% health & ignoring all the Carrier Logi already present'.
Where as they had a dozen Carrier/Super Carriers present with Logi already, and you can use the Buffer of the Titan to DPS down some Moros, as the Moros drop, incoming DPS drops, meaning buffer drops slowly, and so on.
The point is not 'Did it actually happen' but 'could it have happened' and given how many Caldari loyalists there are claimed to be, there are enough that they could have organised to pack out local, stay on for the five hours like the FCORD fleet did inside the system (System didn't fill for 2-3 hours as it was), & brought 100 Logi & 200 BS.
Is it unlikely? Sure. But unlikely != Impossible. |
Salridge Delcon
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.04.01 02:29:00 -
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First let me say I am not a Eve Online roleplayer, but I am someone who enjoys the fact that the players can have a impact on the world, and universe.
I am a pen and paper (P&P) roleplayer, and GM and very well know some of the major things your supposed to do, and not do. I "don't have money in the game" regarding if Caldari or Gallente won, and really couldn't care if the Titan blew up. Some basic rules of being a GM generally are...
1. You don't put players in a position were they can only lose
2. You make the actions have a impact on there player, and the world
3. You don't predetermine events beforehand (this is why I hate running modules instead of running ad-hoc) even though it means you must change what will happen next and it will effect the story you had in your head.
Yes I have ran games were I gave the players 3 obvious choices and I know how it feels to have them pick option 4 (which was just something they decided to do) which means the whole idea for your game has to be re-written, but that's the life of a GM and it's also what makes being a GM fun in many ways because you have to think on your feet.
What I care about is the fact the CCP repeatedly seems to do live events were the players get to make basically zero influence into the outcome of the events. They seem to do this time and time again (for example the last two events I heard about, the NPC who was flying through space and meet with overwhelming numbers wishing to destroy the ship which had a modules that are not available to players, this apparently was done before as well https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=205176). Now if the live events are posted as something going on, but not able to be influenced by the players I am fine with that, but there needs to be a very clear distinction between the two.
I have quit P&P games because the GM seems to think that they must beat the players into the ground with overwhelming numbers. I could have a superhero who's only weapon is great strength and for games in a row meet someone who surpasses my strength by 2-5x which leads me to think there is no point to playing (most role players I have meet feel this way as well).
This event was supposed to be one were players could decide the event but from the leaked map, to the overwhelming numbers from one side I see nothing to indicate it was something the players could influence unless somehow everyone there accidently clicked and fired on the Gallente Dreads, which is a one in a million chance or less, or even less of a chance everyone who got in was fighting for Caldari's side.
All I ask is CCP please make it known if a event is scripted or not, and if it is that is ok. If the event isn't scripted then the players need to have a obvious influence on the outcome. This is nothing different then having a P&P game were player A hits a NPC with a weapon only to have it do no damage, and then another NPC kills them with the same weapon. The Player will obviously feel like there wasting time playing the game.
Also to show players they should trust in you, there needs to be some clear answer as to how/if the event was scripted such as...
"The death of the Titan was scripted but there were a number of outcomes that could have happened due to players actions such as.... x, y, z"
or... "The event wasn't scripted but due to the overwhelming number of players fighting for the Gallente side it was determined that Gallente would win, the process was just speed up due to time constraints/x/y/z"
I personally will participate in zero live events until something along these lines is done because I feel it's a waste of my game time to participate in something I can't change the outcome of. Not that anyone on here is likely to care if I do participate or not, but as they say one letter from a person (to his government rep) is a indication of a 1000 people feeling the same who didn't take the time to write. I am sure many people feel the same way I do and wish to join a live event or two but hold back because they wonder if it's worth there time.
edit: Change could to couldn't... |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
100
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Posted - 2013.04.01 13:25:00 -
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To be fair to CCP it wasn't they that really made that fight one sided. It was the situation. Caldari forces were severely overextended and they finally paid the price for it. There have been other live events that have gone on that have gone in wildly different directions then even CCP had imagined. And some yet to resolve will be quite interesting! |
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