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Njaava
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:42:00 -
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Disclaimer: this is not meant as a troll in any way. Also, I'm playing solo, which may be a huge part of why I feel this way.
I've given FW a try, and after a couple of weeks, it's really pretty boring. I started off fighting everything, because it was fun at first, but I soon learned that PvP really is about correctly picking targets. So, I started being more selective, which meant a lot of roaming around. A lot. Capturing plexes seems a lot like mining in low sec. I spin around waiting for the timer or a fight. When the fight arrives, I'm usually outnumbered. In the very rare case that I'm not, I get blown up (which is fun most of the time), or they get away from me because I'm still so new to this (which is also fun). But this all happens very very rarely. FW, like a lot of this game, seems heavily biased towards grouping. This is fine. I like that when you solo at anything in this game, it's tough, because going it alone should be tough.
Okay, with all that said, these are my questions:
1. I see lots of people in FW space that shoot at everyone, and they seem to go solo a lot. That seems like a lot of fun, but I'm not ready to give up high sec just yet, since I run missions for isk. Do you think I would get more PvP if I start targeting the pilots flagged as suspect and criminal? I can just shoot them and get no security hit, right?
2. WH space. I've done some WH exploration in my venture, and found that it was a lot of fun. Is there a good way to PvP in WHs without losing my sec status?
3. Any other suggestions for finding PvP without becoming stuck in low or null sec?
Thanks a lot, in advance. |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:17:00 -
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Join a corp.
That is all. |
Drunken Bum
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:24:00 -
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try out rvb or agony unleashed to learn the ropes. RVB wont teach you much unless you take initiative, agony is more of a learning corp. Tons of fun fights in rvb though, always someone to shoot. |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:55:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:Join a corp.
That is all.
This exactly. Join a corporation to help you. It'll do far more wonders than anything you'll get here from the masses. Make sure it's a corp that fits what you want, and not vise versa. Don't get emotionally attached just because it's your first, etc... Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation Faction Warfare, PvP, Training
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Dash Bishop
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.03.23 23:25:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:Join a GOOD corp.
That is all.
Fixed. There's a difference. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
378
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Posted - 2013.03.23 23:53:00 -
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There's no sec status penalties for doing pvp in wormholes. Same as nullsec. |
Njaava
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.24 00:28:00 -
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Thanks for the replies everyone.
I know, a corp is probably an enormous help, and I may go that way at some point. But I really love going solo in this game. There is something about playing solo in a sandbox game that is very different from playing solo in the typical MMO. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but it's just that way for me.
Takseen, thanks a lot for the advice. Before I posted this, I read up on security status on the wiki and a few other places, and I didn't see that mentioned at all. That completely changes the way I see some of PvP in Eve. Maybe I'll build a ship to kill noob WH explorers (like me).
Thanks again. |
Plato Forko
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.03.24 02:56:00 -
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joining a corp doesnt mean you have to compromise solo experiences, it just means you have people to help you come to understand the game better. i've found a lot of people in the warzone who appreciate a good 1v1 as much as i do. much of the time it's with neutrals who aren't even in fw, but as long as they are satisfied to draw first blood i can commit without worrying about sec. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.03.24 06:14:00 -
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Suggestions?
I think the grass is greenest in FW, but by all means try other things.
WH doesn't lose sec status, but it's not a place for a low SP pilot soloing in a frig. Try RVB, you can have arranged 1v1's all day in cheap frigs.
In the end, I think FW has the best options for a solo player, but you may find your niche elsewhere. |
Colt Blackhawk
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
90
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Posted - 2013.03.24 09:48:00 -
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Completely wrong faction joined (I suppose you were/are a minnie). Minmatar are: 1.) Carebears in bombers and plexing 24/7. 2.) PVPers you find in minnie militia are 2.a) Never alone and only in 20+ fleets. or 2.b) never without minimum 1 ogb (mostly 2) and a 2b pod.
That-¦s why you don-¦t have fun. |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
393
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:51:00 -
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I agree, EVE pvp is boring mostly. Only thing that makes it fun is to have friends who amuse you in teamspeak, but you do not have to play EVE for that. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1088
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Posted - 2013.03.24 14:01:00 -
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Your FW is more situational and less a general criticism of FW itself. Look at the facts on the ground. Amarr is pushed into three strongholds- Sis, Saht, and Kam. If you try to solo in those systems you will have a very unpleasant experience as multiple peeps undock to greet you.
You can roam looking for solo plexers in the back systems. You should expect a lot of roaming and little fighting as you have come to find out.
If you really want a target rich environment - you are on the wrong side. |
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:06:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:I agree, EVE pvp is boring mostly. Only thing that makes it fun is to have friends who amuse you in teamspeak, but you do not have to play EVE for that.
Anyone who can stand their corp FC squeeking at them can join a corp. For the rest of us it is a solo game--and very very boring. My suggestion for the OP is get a good book and sit in an FW plex. Sure its dull, but if it is a good book the game is worthwhile.
your humble servent SeaSaw |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
393
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:36:00 -
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SeaSaw wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:I agree, EVE pvp is boring mostly. Only thing that makes it fun is to have friends who amuse you in teamspeak, but you do not have to play EVE for that. Anyone who can stand their corp FC squeeking at them can join a corp. For the rest of us it is a solo game--and very very boring. My suggestion for the OP is get a good book and sit in an FW plex. Sure its dull, but if it is a good book the game is worthwhile. your humble servent SeaSaw
why to play game if not play game? |
The VC's
Spack Force 5
127
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:05:00 -
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Flying solo and being in a corp are not mutually exclusive. There are a lot of corps that focus on solo pvp and expect their pilots to get their own kills. Being a member gives you access to intel and a supportive community to ask stupid questions to with the occasional gang roams. For every leet corp their is another bunch of laid back guys. Shop around. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
690
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Posted - 2013.03.25 08:30:00 -
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Bad and seasaw.. Why are you still here /o\
Most true bittervets at least unsubscribe before unloading such heavy duty bitter. Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
144
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Posted - 2013.03.25 09:50:00 -
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Join a established long standing FW corp if you can then that corp will have friends which opens up other avenues and fights.
Yesterday I started off in small gang roams of 3-4 then suicided a few cruisers in Vard, Then was involved in a Massive capital battle.
FW was soooo boring yesterday
**Murientor Tribe** a capsuleer organization composed of radical Minmatar. Since YC107 http://www.defiant-legacy.com/ |
Cute E
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.03.25 14:11:00 -
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If you truly want to go solo and be effective, it usually involves a lot of additional costs. I have a friend that played mostly solo for a while, went to lowsec and started just shooting stuff randomly; he had a lot of fun, but sometimes complained about stuff that I'll try to list (not exhaustively): - You need to pick a home system in low sec and give up hisec missions entirely; popping high security status targets and their pods will give them kill rights over you; you don't really want to be missioning in a shiny and get steamrolled by a gang; - you need to finance the ships you'll be exploding in, so you need to run buttons and/or faction warfare missions; you can run incursions when you run out of kill rights put on you, 1-2 weeks and you'll have a PLEX and money to burn; start small (frigates) and pick your fights by staying in the right fw plexes - i.e. stick to novices, don't go in smalls (AFs and destroyers will disintegrate you) or larger (dual web Thoraxes are p. efficient vs frigates); - you need to use Redfrog to get stuff jumped to your home system; don't fly the stuff yourself because you will be exploded; - you need to be civil and polite; always offer a gf in local; don't smack talk; my friend actually got blued by local pirates because he wasn't acting like a 3-year old when getting popped; - you need piloting skills (!= the ones you put in the queue); - (optional)you need good skills and good implants (think elite certificates, +5% hardwirings, crystals/snakes); the implants are mostly guaranteed to be a one-time investment, because if you know what you're doing it's impossible to get podded in lowsec*; - (optional) you need a link alt to be able to up-engage small gangs**;
* when you know you'll explode, align to a celestial and spam the warp to 0 button; as soon as your ship explodes you will board your pod and instantly warp out. Make sure to bounce from that celestial almost immediately; do not warp between lowsec systems in a pod; use a MSE II equipped frigate or you'll be smartbombed; ** this does not exclude player skill; a boosting alt isn't an i-win button, but gives you the chance to engage in conditions that would usually mean certain death; in the end, this will grant you more fights. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
327
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:04:00 -
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1. The people that shoot everyone typically have OGB and a good amount of experience (chatgris) or are just made of awesome (me). Yes anything suspect/criminal can be shot without a penalty. Being a criminal tends to get you more encounters as well. But seriously, join a corp. Even if you want to solo at least you will have people to discuss fittings and tactics with. 2. I don't really PvE so have no idea. You can get some shiny kills from wh noobs tho. They always baller fit. 3. World of Warcraft
Njaava wrote: 1. I see lots of people in FW space that shoot at everyone, and they seem to go solo a lot. That seems like a lot of fun, but I'm not ready to give up high sec just yet, since I run missions for isk. Do you think I would get more PvP if I start targeting the pilots flagged as suspect and criminal? I can just shoot them and get no security hit, right?
2. WH space. I've done some WH exploration in my venture, and found that it was a lot of fun. Is there a good way to PvP in WHs without losing my sec status?
3. Any other suggestions for finding PvP without becoming stuck in low or null sec?
Thanks a lot, in advance.
derp? |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
263
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:09:00 -
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Markius TheShed wrote:Join a established long standing FW corp if you can then that corp will have friends which opens up other avenues and fights. Yesterday I started off in small gang roams of 3-4 then suicided a few cruisers in Vard, Then was involved in a Massive capital battle. FW was soooo boring yesterday
Suicide cruisers? WHO WOULD DO THAT.......
I'm sure that dram would have been tasty if not for that damn crucifier :P
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Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2013.03.25 15:28:00 -
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CCP puts a strong emphasis that this is a multiplayer game. Therefore, most activites really benefit from having some friends nearby. So basically you have two possibilities to adapt to it:
a) The expensive "looks like solo" alternative: You get an off-grid booster and some expensive implants to simply surprise the enemy with crazy stats (usually with regards to ships speed) of your ship which he never would expect. You naturally have to learn how to take benefits of this by splitting the enemy blob and killing them one by one.
b) The cheap "blob" alternaive: Make sure your friends are not more than one jump out... find any target, engage and just try to survive until your friendly blob arrives to kill the enemy.
Both are lame with regards to the "solo" idea. There is also a third alternative but CCP is working hard on destroying it by making ship designs more and more straight forward and expectable:
c) Find a niche ship with a crazy fit and engage well selected enemies by completely surprising them with the fit. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1218
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:46:00 -
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Plexing is best done like this: cloaky alt sitting outside the gate to the plex. You enter, orbit the button. Someone appears on gate, leave. Come back when they aren't on dscan of your cloaky alt. Rinse, repeat.
Getting fights is best done by getting into highsec and ambushing the unexpecting toon. Chances are great that you'll be outnumbered anywhere in FW space, so you really do have to roam for hours looking for a fight (when jumping around between Amarr and Jita will get you there much faster).
Fleets are either great (getting in with people you know and good FCs), or laughingly fail (your random fleet in Militia chat).
Missioning? Sure, why not? Find the best mix for peeveepee and PVE on your ship of choice, avoid gate camps, and try to get back into just having fun. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Frank Pannon
Emerald Swine Escavations
50
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Posted - 2013.03.26 12:16:00 -
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2. WH space. I've done some WH exploration in my venture, and found that it was a lot of fun. Is there a good way to PvP in WHs without losing my sec status?
Last time I was in WHs, killing there did not alter my sec status at all. |
Kaivar Lancer
Federal Defense Union
255
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Posted - 2013.03.29 07:37:00 -
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Yeah, solo FW PVP is ****. The only people who'll engage you are T2-fitted pirates in their 100m isk faction / pirate ships.
The only way to extract tears from these people is to use stabs, cloak and the cheapest T1 you can find while plexing. Then grief them by cloaking / warping whenever they appear on d-scan. Remember, every time they can't kill you, you win.
Enemy faction pilots are a little more troublesome since some may run down the timer. In this case, just warp out and find a new plex while they're busy. |
Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
400
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Posted - 2013.03.29 09:19:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Yeah, solo FW PVP is ****. The only people who'll engage you are T2-fitted pirates in their 100m isk faction / pirate ships.
This Incursus engaged me and an ally in a Tristan all on his own.
This was a pure 1v1 in a plex, navy vs navy frig. So was this
And if you're paying attention to your dscan you can generally avoid any incoming blobs. Where blob=1+ ship more than is on your ship.
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Gitanmaxx
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2013.04.04 17:31:00 -
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Morgan Torry wrote:Uppsy Daisy wrote:Join a corp.
That is all. This exactly. Join a corporation to help you. It'll do far more wonders than anything you'll get here from the masses. Make sure it's a corp that fits what you want, and not vise versa. Don't get emotionally attached just because it's your first, etc...
I can kinda support this statement that it's the only way to get a fight because most people in eve are too terrified to lose a cheap internet space ship so unless they outnumber you 5 to 1 they usually won't fight. But I tried the joining several large amarr fw fleets and I can tell you i spent countless hours just warping around doing the same thing I did solo but with other people.
The real problem is everyone is so fixated on not losing a ship that they they instead lose the fun as pvp tends to be mostly about avoiding battle.
I'm still looking for a better way to pvp. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
861
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Posted - 2013.04.05 14:21:00 -
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I think fw plexes are the best way to find great pvp for the solo pilot. RvB might get more fights but they will not have the variety.
But I would suggest going rvb 1st. You will learn the strengths and weaknesses of each t1 frigate and then can build from there on how to pick battles and how to fit ships so that you can fight the widest variety of popular ships.
If you want to just jump into low sec pvp I would recomend not joining faction war. I would recomend staying out of the war and just fighting in the plexes. When you join faction war you are automatically blue to far too many people in plexes and will not get as many fights. Your sec status will not drop below -5 unless you pod people.
The corp I am in is mostly for solo pvpers. It accepts most people and has helpful forums with fittings and advise. I think its pretty much exactly what you are looking for.
If you want to go FW I would recomend In Exile - amarr fw corp.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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