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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:40:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:If the wormhole would open again and let us in, the following options will happen:
A. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is deserted after all the resources have been depleted, resulting into the extinction of humanity or recolonizing to another galaxy with the technology they accumulated in 16,000 years. B. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is at war, using weaponry and technology even an armada of Titans could not match. Entering Earth would mean very swift destruction. C. Earth and whatever is left off the galaxy come back to New Eden to reclaim it, which would result to our very swift destruction.
In my opinion, I don't want any of these happening.
That's most unfortunate... because one of them will. |
Oreb Wing
Purging Maelstrom Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2013.04.07 15:01:00 -
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Have any of you fellas read into any of the Warhammer 40,000 series? There are multiple authors. One in particular stands out to me now by the title, Hell's Reach. It had a space battle and a ground war going on simultaneously. It was pretty bad ass, but 40k has had a long time to formulate back history and content. I guess we'll see. |
Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2013.04.08 14:19:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Denak Calamari wrote:If the wormhole would open again and let us in, the following options will happen:
A. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is deserted after all the resources have been depleted, resulting into the extinction of humanity or recolonizing to another galaxy with the technology they accumulated in 16,000 years. B. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is at war, using weaponry and technology even an armada of Titans could not match. Entering Earth would mean very swift destruction. C. Earth and whatever is left off the galaxy come back to New Eden to reclaim it, which would result to our very swift destruction.
In my opinion, I don't want any of these happening. That's most unfortunate... because one of them will.
Maybe, but the phrase: "Too soon", would be appropriate in this situation, at least on the options B and C. I admit, it would be interesting to see what happened to the Milky Way galaxy after the wormhole collapsed, but sometimes ignorance is a bliss. I'm not saying that it should never happen, but I would rather see it as the final end-game for EVE before it shuts down as people have been suggesting.
Although, I like the Jovian theory about sending probes to other galaxies, maybe in the next expansion CCP can give us clues about the Jovians and possibly Terrans themselves. Gallente, Caldari, Amarr or Minmatar, no dropclone soldier is the same after becoming immortal. |
Lendwill
A Village of Knives
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:41:00 -
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Personally I have my own theory about the wormhole.
The wormhole never collapsed on the Terran side, but advanced 20,000 years in an instant. On the Eve side it would seem closed because due to time being out of synch between the two sides any matter going through the gate at the time - like for instance a ship - would be atomized. The result would be that the time-stretched remnants of that matter would manifest as the radiation that prevents anyone from approaching the gate.
The result is that some time in the perhaps-near future time on both sides with align again, and Terrans will start pouring through the hole - the same overcrowded Terrans from 20,000 years ago who are roughly at our level of technology and are desperate for new space...
I also speculate that these Terrans have the same population as the Eve cluster but are restricted to perhaps 10 star systems or less. This could be due to stargates not working as well (or at all!) in a galaxy with trillions of gravitational fluxes + one massive super black hole compared to Eve with it's mere 5,000 stars... |
Douglas Grolobar
Helios Prime Technologies Chronos Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:51:00 -
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They could play it smart though. Have the milky way be mostly empty, but lots of ruins of the past civilization, finding dark clues about how we killed ourselves. |
Maximus Hashur
n.Die The Periphery
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Posted - 2013.04.15 20:19:00 -
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I dont know, i think it could be an interesting idea. True, the Earth based civilization could be much more advanced by a few thousand years, or it could be recovering from a fall of its own doing. There are lots of ways the writers could reintroduce the homeworld and its space to the New Eden world. It would not automatically mean problems for New Eden, just a new path for the game to take. Imagine a whole new set of races, maybe 2-3 more (based on drift over the past 16K years in Earth space), and ships with other technologies.
It stands to reason that a lot of the tech would be similar. The laws of physics are the same no matter where you are - at least as far as im lead to believe by the in game rules. (And yes i know its more like piloting a submarine than a space ship with the responsiveness) Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.-á Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!! |
Vincent Gaines
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
371
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Posted - 2013.04.16 18:31:00 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:Che Biko wrote:How come Twilight vampires became the only kind of vampires some people can think about? Did they brainwash themselves by watching the Twilight movies too many times? Or maybe people don't like vampires because werewolves are better and thus use the most unflattering examples of them they can think of. Not saying that emo vampires who weren't given enough attention by their parents when they were growing up are much better but meh I digress.
Don't worry. Netflix is coming out with an emo-warewolf series very soon. Not a diplo.-á
The above post was edited for spelling. |
Per Bastet
B.O.O.M Obsidian Mining Coalition
27
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Posted - 2013.04.18 19:19:00 -
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James cliford wrote:Alexander Bjorvisk wrote:You do realize the EVE Gate is not capable of taking back people to earth anymore?
The reason society built itself up in New Eden is because they were not able to go back anymore so there was no other choice but to adapt. the eve gate was a wormhole a worm hole can reopen
Just a Small Correction - The Eve Gate as Built to Keep the Wormhole Open beyond it's Natural Life Span. As Stated here on the forums and in some parts of the lore the gate on the other side was called Adam.
When the Wormhole Overloaded (from being held open way beyond it's normal life span) it caused the Eve gate to overload and Basically dropped a electromagnetic pulse that leap frogged from gate to gate and wiped out all the real Tech that had come through.
Hence the Dark Ages we had. "Whether the paranoid conspiracy theory community has had a separate trial process and decided other crazy batshit insane garbage was true I can't attest to as I don't subscribe to that mailing list and instead deal in the realm of fact."-á - CCP Sreegs, 2013 |
MItchell Jensen
Gravit Negotii S2N Citizens
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:21:00 -
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No. The face on the Avatar is used for much more than just the doomsday. |
Zepher Reload
Universal Super-Corporations
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Posted - 2013.05.02 09:46:00 -
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Everyone iv been seeing talking about Earth and the wormhole and the tech being so advanced, well who's to say its not a time hole and nothing much has really changed back home then they would get away with it and not make it over powered.
Say only a hundred years r so has past for earth. Same lvl of tech, just diffrent ships and diffrent weapons. |
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Zepher Reload
Universal Super-Corporations
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Posted - 2013.05.02 09:53:00 -
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Zepher Reload wrote:Everyone iv been seeing talking about Earth and the wormhole and the tech being so advanced, well who's to say its not a time hole and nothing much has really changed back home then they would get away with it and not make it over powered.
Say only a hundred years r so has past for earth. Same lvl of tech, just diffrent ships and diffrent weapons.
Lets say the EVE colonists got sent back 22k years r so, and as they went through hell and rebirth to get to this point. Earth in there time line only 100 years has past and they have been trying to get the gate open finally after a hundred years they do (But stabilized the gate so no time change) and see that everything has changed and we r at war with each other. It would be confusing as hell but fun as well. |
Niko medes
Sonoran Shadow
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:59:00 -
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EVE is a dark story, sure it has its bright moments.. but the mere existence of capsuleers within this story is a tragedy in and of itself.
If we ever get access to the other side, I hope they play a wise card and make the new area void of life (or so it seems).. with only ancient ruins and unanswered questions. As time goes on this can change and the plot can take major twists but initially I think if we ever got to this point in EVE, it should be a dark and tragic revelation to all of us players.
Can you imagine? The EVE wormhole reopening, all of us so eager and excited to make contact.. only to find no one on the other side? One trait EVE is known for is the fact that it can be regarded as "real". Well reality ain't pretty at times!
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Andrea Griffin
386
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:08:00 -
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Rock Brackenshield wrote:CCP Headfirst wrote:You don't want to go to Earth. I hear it's overrun by vampires. :)= I see what you did there... I could be completely off base, but i think i get what you mean.. Makes sense. Spoiler risk, so i wont expand The Blood Raiders had to come from somewhere, right? CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Jade III
Wolf Star Miners
0
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:43:00 -
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But our characters won't be able to remember who their ancestors were nor who their parents were. Not to mention that they won't know what Earth is and would look like. All of the Capsuleers are clones after all.
It would also be interesting to see a ruined planet like Earth was in the movie Oblivion. http://s11.zetaboards.com/Wolf_Star_Miners/index/
Come, join me in our quest to mine and PVP! We have cookies.....e-mail me ingame for your application to Wolf Star Miners! |
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:58:00 -
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I heard that the Jovian control a wormhole to Eath Space. That is where they get their advance tech, which explains this wierd Apple with a bait out of in on my implaints. Blasters for life
https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com |
Sarachem
Wormhole Generation ROOT Alliance
111
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:10:00 -
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Goner Temple are corporation-sect who popularizing idea about Earth in EvE. They build roleplay center in HV-EAP system (amarr outpost with freedock) and urgently need english-speaking members. Please contact Goner Sarachem or Goner Ridana ingame if intrested (sometimes afk))) |
Imp D
Interstellar Warmongering Mongoldoids Dragons of Fire and Ice
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:21:00 -
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It would be cool if the eve gate to the milky way re-opend, The sol system and earth could become the new jita as it be the system on the boarder of both gallxys.
Story line could go.. The jove reopen the gate sparking a war between the us with jove assistance against the advanced new faction of earth.
To who ever said the milky way was out of resources... it was my understanding that 16000 years ago when the eve gate opened earth had not explored the milky way as the didnt have jump gates, and only the resources of the sol system were depleted.
I also think it be a great twist if worm hole space turned out to be the milky way and that the original earth empire created and were then over run by sleepers. Pahaps a small pocket of earth forces could remain some where out thier at about the same tech level as us and crippled by constant sleeper attacks. |
Maggie Evenstar
Tantrum Pussycats
48
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:46:00 -
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I just use the fibsec-WHs to enter the SOL system. With a decent fleet you can make a billion ISK in a day clearing the SOL Defense Fleet NPCs. Earth and Mars look amazing!!! though I am very disappointed with Uranus. |
Dex Tera
DIVERGENT PROXY
93
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:01:00 -
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come on guys i can't even believe this is being debated this thread is so full of fail its ridiculous it is well know and documented that earth humans came through the eve gate the jove are humans who messed with the genetic bull and got the horn and the 4 main races are from the same earth human background as well stop speculating on things that are well known |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:54:00 -
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First Bass wrote:CCP Headfirst wrote:You don't want to go to Earth. I hear it's overrun by vampires. :)= Oh man, please tell me this was a Blindsight reference. edit: it occurred to me it's more likely a WoD-MMO reference :smith:
Jta 4-4 reference... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2281
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:19:00 -
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Kwatz! I hate it when people do this in real life with Evolutionary Theory, so let me make something abundantly clear:
In scientific terms, a theory is a stress-tested framework of explanations for a set of known facts that has graduated to the status of truth through both not having been disproven, and being of practical use. Einstein's theory of relativity has given us GPS satellites and allowed us to launch space probes. Evolutionary theory is the beating, working heart of every branch of modern biological sciences. Neither is ever going to be overturned, only refined and polished.
A theory, in science, basically means "explanation." if it's yet to reach that graduation point, it's known as a hypothesis, which in more common usage might be called an "educated guess". The term "just a theory and not an accepted fact" therefore reveals profound scientific ignorance in the person who utters it. It's akin to saying "The Hobbit is just a book, it's not a word." It is that dumb and back-asswards. The former is what lends context, meaning and usefulness to the latter.
examples: Fact: Matter attracts matter via a force we call "gravity". Hypothesis: "I think that gravity exists matter curves space-time, and that the "attraction" is what we see in three-dimensional space when an object follows a straight line along the curved surface of space-time." Law: "When viewed in an inertial reference frame, an object either is at rest or moves at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by a force." Prediction: "If our hypothesis is correct then when we put object X at location Y with velocity Z then when it passes near to object A it should follow trajectory B." Observation: "We put object X at location Y with velocity Z. When it passed near object A, it followed trajectory B." Conclusion: "therefore, our hypothesis is not wrong and makes useful predictions... our hypothesis has graduated to the status of a theory"
Alternatively, if Object A had followed trajectory C instead, then the hypothesis would be falsified and discarded, and a new hypothesis would need to be thought up.
Common Origin Theory, being an actual scientific theory in the fiction of the setting, is the working scientific mainstream understanding of how humanity came to be present in and spread across the cluster. It is disprovable but has not been disproven, it produces testable predictions (which, because it happens to be correct, will always be correct).
HOWEVER: The term "theory" is co-opted by people like moon landing conspiracy theorists and 9/11 inside-job theorists and so on in an attempt to lend credence to their position, so you have to be careful - seeing the word "theory" doesn't automatically mean that the idea has any serious scientific support. "theory" is not a legally protected term (though it bloody well should be), and many people have hijacked public ignorance of what the word means to try and make their own version look equal with the actual theories. Flat earth theory, intelligent design theory,
The same will apply in the fiction of New Eden. "Syncretism theory" and "Mold theory" will not be scientific theories because, frankly, they're wrong. We know that from a broken-fourth-wall perspective. They will never BE theories for that precise same reason. But anybody who personally believes in them is able to call them theories and thereby lend them the appearance of equal credence. They are opposing (and incorrect) beliefs exactly akin to Young Earth Creationism and the Geocentric model. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:25:00 -
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I was with you until you dissed intelligent design.. It is a valid theory, cause and effect seems to support the possibility... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2281
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:44:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:I was with you until you dissed intelligent design.. It is a valid theory, hypothesis rather, cause and effect seems to support the possibility... And it's never been disproven... You're atheist bias is showing..
it is anything BUT a valid theory. There's nothing intelligent about the design of creatures where the nerve from the top of the spinal cord to the vocal cords mere inches away goes via the heart. (the recurrent laryngeal nerve)
There's nothing intelligent about breathing from the same orifice you use to ingest food, leading to choking.
there's nothing intelligent about routing an excretion orifice through a reproductive organ.
There's nothing intelligent about leaving humans with a digestive appendix that serves us no useful evolutionary purpose, and occasionally ruptures and kills us.
You can make an argument for "Conscious but idiotic design" being not disproven, but it still makes no testable predictions, which is the other - and arguably more important - requirement for something to qualify as being a theory. seeing as Conscious Design makes no such testable predictions, it is not and shall never be a valid theory by the scientific definition of the term.
Lastly, by invoking God (or some similar intervening creator force) it is not only not-falsified, it is unfalsifiable. Falsifiability being a prerequisite for something to be considered a useful and valid scientific theory, Conscious Design is not a valid theory. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Samoth Egnoled
Infinitech
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:44:00 -
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As much as i would like to know how Earth has progressed over 16000 years, it would ruin the EVE-O story somewhat, What i would like to see is more progression in the Jovian story... |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:51:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Roga Dracor wrote:I was with you until you dissed intelligent design.. It is a valid theory, hypothesis rather, cause and effect seems to support the possibility... And it's never been disproven... You're atheist bias is showing.. it is anything BUT a valid theory. There's nothing intelligent about the design of creatures where the nerve from the top of the spinal cord to the vocal cords mere inches away goes via the heart. (the recurrent laryngeal nerve) There's nothing intelligent about breathing from the same orifice you use to ingest food, leading to choking. there's nothing intelligent about routing an excretion orifice through a reproductive organ. There's nothing intelligent about leaving humans with a digestive appendix that serves us no useful evolutionary purpose, and occasionally ruptures and kills us. You can make an argument for "Conscious but idiotic design" being not disproven, but it still makes no testable predictions, which is the other - and arguably more important - requirement for something to qualify as being a theory. seeing as Conscious Design makes no such testable predictions, it is not and shall never be a valid theory by the scientific definition of the term.
I ammended my statement to hypothesis.. But it MAY be true... And if so, the scientific community will choke on it's own assumptions.. Of which you have just added a few.. While it may be idiotic in your eyes, you are not omniscient.. Who's to say? It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2281
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:58:00 -
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Equally, It MAY be true that the planet Mars is actually the weathered remains of the teapot from which the Giant Sky Grandmother poured the Earth's oceans, and on the day she shows up with the plate of cookies aren't you going to feel like an idiot? While the idea may seem idiotic in your eyes, you are not omniscient... who's to say? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 17:37:00 -
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LOL, I intended no disrepect, though you obviously experienced those feelings.. Who is to say there is no "purpose" in the idiocy of the design. We humans use idiocy of design with purpose in manufacturing every day. Why? perishability. I sense a bit of arrogance in your demeanor. I don't claim to have enough facts to deem the design idiotic.
My statement that you are not omniscient was not a dig, it was a statement of empirical fact. Whether you like it or not, it is true. I believe you unqualified to make such a statement. You have placed yourself in the position of superiority to a posited intelligence that might have created reality itself. That, sir, is unmitigated arrogance.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2281
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Posted - 2013.08.29 17:40:00 -
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No offense was taken whatsoever. you're right, it WAS an empirical statement of fact. It's also a tautology - one of the definitions of a human being is that we're not omniscient. Telling somebody as much is about as offensive as telling them that they breathe oxygen.
I've amended my above comment to expand on the point I intended to make by reflecting your words back at you. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 17:48:00 -
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I accept the possibility of your rebuttal, though, likelyhood drops by a marginal degree...
I prefer to believe in some purpose beyond mere physical imperative... Should I not, I am less important in the grander scheme of things than an earthworm. It has purpose, in your summation of reality, we do not.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2281
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Posted - 2013.08.29 18:15:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote: I prefer to believe in some purpose beyond mere physical imperative... Should I not, I am less important in the grander scheme of things than an earthworm. It has purpose, in your summation of reality, we do not..
Says who? And what exactly is the "purpose" of an Earthworm?
See, I define "purpose" as meaning "having a designated function, reason, intention or objective."
It's only possible for those things to be designated if there is a designator - purpose is something that's only imbued by an actual sentient agent. So the only summation of reality in which any creature or object actually has an assigned purpose is one in which there is a conscious creator.
In my world view, where I don't believe there is any such thing as a conscious creator, humans and earthworms are equal in having no assigned purpose. The crucial difference between us is that humans are sapient, and thus capable of assigning purpose to ourselves, a luxury which earthworms lack.
What you're doing right now is known as teleology. "Clouds are for raining", "trees are for shade", "mountains are for climbing" and so on. In fact, none of those statements are true - clouds, rain, mountains and trees are phenomena that result from natural processes, they're not tools designed with a goal in mind. Sheltering and climbing are interactions that humans, as sapient agents, are capable of choosing to have with those objects but again, they're not what those objects are for because they don't exist FOR anything, they exist BECAUSE something. They're the effect, not the cause.
The Teleological argument is a world view that presupposes the existence of a final-cause dispenser of purpose, rather than being itself a good argument to prove the existence of such a dispenser.
Besides, "I prefer to believe the world works a certain way because that way seems more beautiful to me" is not a justification, it's a cop-out. The kind of world you want to live in has no bearing on the kind of world you DO live in. "The kind of world I want to live in" is a dream to work towards, not a yardstick for evaluating what kind of world you are living in.
Roga Dracor wrote: In a purely emperical, logical world, all of our laws and customs would devolve to delusional self gratification and anything I can concieve becomes acceptable under your logical worldview... Survival of the fittest, mob rules mentality.. Look around you, it is coming to pass... Where would men like Hawkings and Einstein have ended up in such a worldview? Dead and forgotten, assuredly..
This meanwhile is known as "the slippery slope" and it's not valid reasoning at all. For starters, if I'm right and we DO live in a world without a creator, then we have ALWAYS lived in a world without a creator and those things haven't come to pass.
As to the implication that if the world were all rationalist agnostic atheists, then social order would collapse and society would slide into an orgy of violence and hedonism, I can only point to the fact that of all the nations on this planet , the ones with the happiest citizens and the lowest prison populations by percentage are also the least religious. I can only point to the fact that in first-world nations where atheism is not itself a crime, by far the smallest religious demographic among prison populations is "none".
this is just a hint, but if Pat Robertson said it, it's probably not true. Okay? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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