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James cliford
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:56:00 -
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hey i was just looking at the next expansion and it got me thinking what if the worm hole reopened and we could explore earth and that it would be cool and it would change the game play so much tell me what you think in the coments  |

Keitunen Eto
Uchusen Technologies
1
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:44:00 -
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No.
The reason is the last contact anyone in New Eden had with earth was 16000 years ago. It is also the biggest mystery in the EVE lore. I would hate to see it be revealed. Maybe some information on what Earth was like BEFORE expanding into New Eden, but Earth 16,000 years after that im not to sure about. |

Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel White Mountain Coalition
2
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Posted - 2013.03.24 09:03:00 -
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If the wormhole would open again and let us in, the following options will happen:
A. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is deserted after all the resources have been depleted, resulting into the extinction of humanity or recolonizing to another galaxy with the technology they accumulated in 16,000 years. B. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is at war, using weaponry and technology even an armada of Titans could not match. Entering Earth would mean very swift destruction. C. Earth and whatever is left off the galaxy come back to New Eden to reclaim it, which would result to our very swift destruction.
In my opinion, I don't want any of these happening. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1082
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Posted - 2013.03.24 10:16:00 -
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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
155
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Posted - 2013.03.24 11:27:00 -
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Sorry, but I have to agree with the above posts. I'm sure any ideas you are considering would be fun gameplay wise. However lore wise, I love the mystery behind Earth. Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |

Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1277
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Posted - 2013.03.25 16:27:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:If the wormhole would open again and let us in, the following options will happen:
A. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is deserted after all the resources have been depleted, resulting into the extinction of humanity or recolonizing to another galaxy with the technology they accumulated in 16,000 years. B. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is at war, using weaponry and technology even an armada of Titans could not match. Entering Earth would mean very swift destruction. C. Earth and whatever is left off the galaxy come back to New Eden to reclaim it, which would result to our very swift destruction.
In my opinion, I don't want any of these happening. Agreed, I really want to know what happened to Earth but I simaltaneously don't want to be told. Knowing the Devs have an answer they keep to themselves is honestly good enough for me.
A is the most likely of the above, for B, that superweapon the Ammarians used to take down an entire Minmatar task force in the Empyrean Age Trailer was a token gun from a Terran Freighter, their version of a Badger M2 weapon could oneshot a Titan and its accompanying Armada. C would be the likely scenario if the game is shut down, an entire expansion where the Terrans take back the cluster burning the Capsuleers away and liberating the people from our tyrannical reighn.
Also option D, as I understand wormholes can displace in both space and time, theoretically we could be in a Battlestar Galactica scenario where we think we are in the future, but are in the distant past instead. Be pretty sweet if say the 3rd world in Jita was an infant Earth.... which would make Jita 4 Mars... you get the idea.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. |
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CCP Headfirst
C C P C C P Alliance
39

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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:32:00 -
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You don't want to go to Earth. I hear it's overrun by vampires. :)= |
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Krell Kroenen
Miner Intimidation
127
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Posted - 2013.03.25 17:55:00 -
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CCP Headfirst wrote:You don't want to go to Earth. I hear it's overrun by vampires. :)=
What's the worse a sparkly vampire can do? bedazzle my ship sensors? I think not.
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Rock Brackenshield
Curry Fanatic Club Originally Riotous Corps
1
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:08:00 -
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CCP Headfirst wrote:You don't want to go to Earth. I hear it's overrun by vampires. :)=
I see what you did there... I could be completely off base, but i think i get what you mean.. Makes sense. Spoiler risk, so i wont expand |

James cliford
Brave Newbies Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.03.25 18:45:00 -
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Rock Brackenshield wrote:CCP Headfirst wrote:You don't want to go to Earth. I hear it's overrun by vampires. :)= I see what you did there... I could be completely off base, but i think i get what you mean.. Makes sense. Spoiler risk, so i wont expand nkow i whant to know |

Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
405
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Posted - 2013.03.25 19:50:00 -
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How come Twilight vampires became the only kind of vampires some people can think about? Did they brainwash themselves by watching the Twilight movies too many times? Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |

Krell Kroenen
Miner Intimidation
127
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Posted - 2013.03.25 19:58:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:How come Twilight vampires became the only kind of vampires some people can think about? Did they brainwash themselves by watching the Twilight movies too many times?
Or maybe people don't like vampires because werewolves are better and thus use the most unflattering examples of them they can think of. Not saying that emo vampires who weren't given enough attention by their parents when they were growing up are much better but meh I digress. |

First Bass
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.26 05:03:00 -
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CCP Headfirst wrote:You don't want to go to Earth. I hear it's overrun by vampires. :)=
Oh man, please tell me this was a Blindsight reference.
edit: it occurred to me it's more likely a WoD-MMO reference :smith: |

Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1296
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Posted - 2013.03.26 06:51:00 -
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CCP Headfirst wrote:You don't want to go to Earth. I hear it's overrun by vampires. :)= You absolute friggin cocktease. Love you, have a cookie. ^^
Seriously do you know or not what happened to Earth. Yes or no.
Truth serum in ze cookies :3
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. |

Sonkut
Network Gel Strategic Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.03.26 12:00:00 -
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Blood raiders got there first then. |

Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
214
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Posted - 2013.03.26 13:07:00 -
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For all intents and purposes, Earth is a myth. According to the backstory, the races of New Eden aren't even sure if they really have a common ancestor, much less actually know they're from the same point of origin.
How would Earth look? Who knows, Jove are the most advanced existing civilization of New Eden and they practically wiped themselves out because they played gods with their own genetic makeup. There were other advanced races about even in New Eden and in particular in the wormhole space, yet they also vanished / were wiped out. Or Milky Way could have gone the way of New Eden, splitting into factions, warring against eachother, while technologically progressing leaps and bounds beyond current technology levels. Or... you get the point.
Besides, it doesn't matter. I'd much rather learn about Tekhmal, Talocans, Jove or the ancient history of the existing factions. Who knows what else New Eden may be hiding? |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2520
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Posted - 2013.03.26 16:59:00 -
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CCP Headfirst wrote:You don't want to go to Earth. I hear it's overrun by vampires. :)=
You... why.... you... that's evil you know. I am going to report this.  |

Dex Tera
Anomalous Existence Existential Anxiety
92
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Posted - 2013.03.27 04:31:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:For all intents and purposes, Earth is a myth. According to the backstory, the races of New Eden aren't even sure if they really have a common ancestor, much less actually know they're from the same point of origin.
How would Earth look? Who knows, Jove are the most advanced existing civilization of New Eden and they practically wiped themselves out because they played gods with their own genetic makeup. There were other advanced races about even in New Eden and in particular in the wormhole space, yet they also vanished / were wiped out. Or Milky Way could have gone the way of New Eden, splitting into factions, warring against eachother, while technologically progressing leaps and bounds beyond current technology levels. Or... you get the point.
Besides, it doesn't matter. I'd much rather learn about Tekhmal, Talocans, Jove or the ancient history of the existing factions. Who knows what else New Eden may be hiding?
sry but WRONG try again the history of the eve gate and the source of the 5 major races is well known and documented also the fact that via genetics its would be quickly known that they all share a common ancestry ffs we as humans in the rl have already found this out about our current race with our current tech |

Eija-Riitta Veitonen
Unicorn Enterprise
72
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Posted - 2013.03.27 13:34:00 -
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Dex Tera wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:For all intents and purposes, Earth is a myth. According to the backstory, the races of New Eden aren't even sure if they really have a common ancestor, much less actually know they're from the same point of origin.
How would Earth look? Who knows, Jove are the most advanced existing civilization of New Eden and they practically wiped themselves out because they played gods with their own genetic makeup. There were other advanced races about even in New Eden and in particular in the wormhole space, yet they also vanished / were wiped out. Or Milky Way could have gone the way of New Eden, splitting into factions, warring against eachother, while technologically progressing leaps and bounds beyond current technology levels. Or... you get the point.
Besides, it doesn't matter. I'd much rather learn about Tekhmal, Talocans, Jove or the ancient history of the existing factions. Who knows what else New Eden may be hiding? sry but WRONG try again the history of the eve gate and the source of the 5 major races is well known and documented also the fact that via genetics its would be quickly known that they all share a common ancestry ffs we as humans in the rl have already found this out about our current race with our current tech Also artifacts in open space remain for much, much longer than on planets. |

Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
625
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:28:00 -
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Earth and the humans on the other side of the EVE Gate are either extremely advanced or completely extinct. Both extremes would just not feel right for the setting of this game. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |

Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1406
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Posted - 2013.03.27 17:52:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Earth and the humans on the other side of the EVE Gate are either extremely advanced or completely extinct. Both extremes would just not feel right for the setting of this game. They could also be less advanced than us, they were using New Eden for natural resource and the 50 years building of Stargates indicated a high demand for raw materials on the Terran side. In theory like on this side they could have collapsed and had to rebuild, maybe taking longer, maybe taking less time. Closest things to the Terrans we have are from Issue one of EON.
I got the whole stack of magasines a few weeks before they announced the end of EON .
The story about a last group of Terrans who knew everything about what had happened stuck on a moon in orbit of a gas giant. They lost FTL capability and send out the last of their people in a hollowed asteroid generation ship towards the nearest Empire, the Caldari. Drifting into Caldari space sending out hails, the Caldari pilots noticed that they were in a rich Dark Ochre asteroid generation ship....
There was a teddy bear from a little girl watching it all that got jammed in the refinery back at the station.
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012. |

Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
217
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Posted - 2013.03.27 22:58:00 -
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Dex Tera wrote:Caitlyn Tufy wrote:For all intents and purposes, Earth is a myth. According to the backstory, the races of New Eden aren't even sure if they really have a common ancestor, much less actually know they're from the same point of origin.
How would Earth look? Who knows, Jove are the most advanced existing civilization of New Eden and they practically wiped themselves out because they played gods with their own genetic makeup. There were other advanced races about even in New Eden and in particular in the wormhole space, yet they also vanished / were wiped out. Or Milky Way could have gone the way of New Eden, splitting into factions, warring against eachother, while technologically progressing leaps and bounds beyond current technology levels. Or... you get the point.
Besides, it doesn't matter. I'd much rather learn about Tekhmal, Talocans, Jove or the ancient history of the existing factions. Who knows what else New Eden may be hiding? sry but WRONG try again the history of the eve gate and the source of the 5 major races is well known and documented also the fact that via genetics its would be quickly known that they all share a common ancestry ffs we as humans in the rl have already found this out about our current race with our current tech
According to this, common origin is just a theory and not an accepted fact:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Earth#Common_Origin_Theory |

Oreb Wing
Purging Maelstrom Sicarius Draconis
28
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Posted - 2013.03.30 04:46:00 -
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It's not impossible to tie in the story-lines and have them all comprehensible, but, as i've seen it, very hard to do unless you tinker a little bit with the back-story and play conspiracy games with lore and Concord. I think i'll have fun with this idea, as every time i see an expansion come, I really imagine the possibility and potential force that the ideas could have on our game. Alas, one could dream...
http://orebwing.blogspot.com/
Old post that needs work is a little lost. I'll find it and maybe continue that and this. It was a fun project, attempting to tie all 3 games together. |

Oreb Wing
Purging Maelstrom Sicarius Draconis
28
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Posted - 2013.03.30 05:24:00 -
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So given it's possible lore-wise, how about me mechanically? Easy. How about you allow the transition to commit an Eve character that jumps over to the Milky Way indefinitely. That means no coming back. No clone reactivation if you die. Disable neuts and ewar with some generic physics jargon and enjoy the most hardcore Eve mode that could exist. Listen to people cry about 10year old accounts and consider letting toons reanimate at the clone's SP level at the moment of translation. Allow only capital class vessels to activate a wormhole that only appears during a class6 connection to the Eve gate node that spawns a temp connection to the other side. A true Odyssey. |

Alexander Bjorvisk
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.04.03 22:39:00 -
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You do realize the EVE Gate is not capable of taking back people to earth anymore?
The reason society built itself up in New Eden is because they were not able to go back anymore so there was no other choice but to adapt. |

Kirjava
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1547
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Posted - 2013.04.04 05:32:00 -
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Thats the theory, but in practice from the Jovians mind dump in Templar One it implies that the Jovians (granted the least advanced at the time) could barely go faster than light when expanding into New Eden. Moving from this I'm reading that in some ways New Eden has some more advanced tech than the Terran side, particularly in propulsion (at the time of the cutoff, for instance we were around 100-200 years off of Edison level tech during the Roman Empire). 1AU/s is equal to just a shade under 500c. Scale this up, include acceleration to warp and capacitor recharge (I got bored once) and we scale up to around 15 years to go from one side of the Milky Way to another assuming we use the old value of 100kly diameter.
Anyone want to bet the Jovians haven't sent out probes to all the corners of the local group of Galaxies (yes, intergalactic travel) in the Eons that have been floating around for?
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James cliford
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.04.04 11:13:00 -
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Alexander Bjorvisk wrote:You do realize the EVE Gate is not capable of taking back people to earth anymore?
The reason society built itself up in New Eden is because they were not able to go back anymore so there was no other choice but to adapt. the eve gate was a wormhole a worm hole can reopen |

Paladinhunt
Iridius Alteria
33
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Posted - 2013.04.04 22:19:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:If the wormhole would open again and let us in, the following options will happen:
A. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is deserted after all the resources have been depleted, resulting into the extinction of humanity or recolonizing to another galaxy with the technology they accumulated in 16,000 years. B. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is at war, using weaponry and technology even an armada of Titans could not match. Entering Earth would mean very swift destruction. C. Earth and whatever is left off the galaxy come back to New Eden to reclaim it, which would result to our very swift destruction.
In my opinion, I don't want any of these happening.
I would like to see the idea open, To the see the Milky Way as a wasteland of sorts and near all uninhabitable could be a stunning scan gameplay expansion opportunity both storyline wise (ie what happened after the close of the gate) and other stuff we might think to be cool in terms of in-game use.
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kukki Zhu
Knights of The Appocalypse
11
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Posted - 2013.04.05 07:32:00 -
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This mystery will stay beautiful only while it is a mystery. No matter in what way this would be introduced, whatsoever, it would be horrible. |

Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
166
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Posted - 2013.04.05 07:50:00 -
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Dex Tera wrote:[quote=Caitlyn Tufy] we as humans in the rl have already found this out about our current race with our current tech
That's because we have pretty large fossil record to refer to and can see any signs of divergence in the real world.
Each race in EVE would check their record and find it suddenly ends on their home world in most cases. There'd be NO mitochondrial "Adam" or "Eve" to refer to. They'd simply find similarities in DNA and other genetic material between races and that's it.
We can trace our real world history to places in Europe and Africa because we have migrated from there. In-fact there are fossils where every person in the world is essentially linked to. However if those links are cut (those fossils never found) each one of us could be a very different species that evolved parallel to one another. Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
866
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Posted - 2013.04.05 16:40:00 -
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Denak Calamari wrote:If the wormhole would open again and let us in, the following options will happen:
A. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is deserted after all the resources have been depleted, resulting into the extinction of humanity or recolonizing to another galaxy with the technology they accumulated in 16,000 years. B. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is at war, using weaponry and technology even an armada of Titans could not match. Entering Earth would mean very swift destruction. C. Earth and whatever is left off the galaxy come back to New Eden to reclaim it, which would result to our very swift destruction.
In my opinion, I don't want any of these happening.
That's most unfortunate... because one of them will. |

Oreb Wing
Purging Maelstrom Sicarius Draconis
28
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Posted - 2013.04.07 15:01:00 -
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Have any of you fellas read into any of the Warhammer 40,000 series? There are multiple authors. One in particular stands out to me now by the title, Hell's Reach. It had a space battle and a ground war going on simultaneously. It was pretty bad ass, but 40k has had a long time to formulate back history and content. I guess we'll see. |

Denak Calamari
Ozark Cartel White Mountain Coalition
7
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Posted - 2013.04.08 14:19:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Denak Calamari wrote:If the wormhole would open again and let us in, the following options will happen:
A. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is deserted after all the resources have been depleted, resulting into the extinction of humanity or recolonizing to another galaxy with the technology they accumulated in 16,000 years. B. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is at war, using weaponry and technology even an armada of Titans could not match. Entering Earth would mean very swift destruction. C. Earth and whatever is left off the galaxy come back to New Eden to reclaim it, which would result to our very swift destruction.
In my opinion, I don't want any of these happening. That's most unfortunate... because one of them will.
Maybe, but the phrase: "Too soon", would be appropriate in this situation, at least on the options B and C. I admit, it would be interesting to see what happened to the Milky Way galaxy after the wormhole collapsed, but sometimes ignorance is a bliss. I'm not saying that it should never happen, but I would rather see it as the final end-game for EVE before it shuts down as people have been suggesting.
Although, I like the Jovian theory about sending probes to other galaxies, maybe in the next expansion CCP can give us clues about the Jovians and possibly Terrans themselves. Gallente, Caldari, Amarr or Minmatar, no dropclone soldier is the same after becoming immortal. |

Lendwill
A Village of Knives
3
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:41:00 -
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Personally I have my own theory about the wormhole.
The wormhole never collapsed on the Terran side, but advanced 20,000 years in an instant. On the Eve side it would seem closed because due to time being out of synch between the two sides any matter going through the gate at the time - like for instance a ship - would be atomized. The result would be that the time-stretched remnants of that matter would manifest as the radiation that prevents anyone from approaching the gate.
The result is that some time in the perhaps-near future time on both sides with align again, and Terrans will start pouring through the hole - the same overcrowded Terrans from 20,000 years ago who are roughly at our level of technology and are desperate for new space...
I also speculate that these Terrans have the same population as the Eve cluster but are restricted to perhaps 10 star systems or less. This could be due to stargates not working as well (or at all!) in a galaxy with trillions of gravitational fluxes + one massive super black hole compared to Eve with it's mere 5,000 stars... |

Douglas Grolobar
Helios Prime Technologies Chronos Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.04.15 18:51:00 -
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They could play it smart though. Have the milky way be mostly empty, but lots of ruins of the past civilization, finding dark clues about how we killed ourselves. |

Maximus Hashur
n.Die The Periphery
31
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Posted - 2013.04.15 20:19:00 -
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I dont know, i think it could be an interesting idea. True, the Earth based civilization could be much more advanced by a few thousand years, or it could be recovering from a fall of its own doing. There are lots of ways the writers could reintroduce the homeworld and its space to the New Eden world. It would not automatically mean problems for New Eden, just a new path for the game to take. Imagine a whole new set of races, maybe 2-3 more (based on drift over the past 16K years in Earth space), and ships with other technologies.
It stands to reason that a lot of the tech would be similar. The laws of physics are the same no matter where you are - at least as far as im lead to believe by the in game rules. (And yes i know its more like piloting a submarine than a space ship with the responsiveness) Looked up...saw this F***ING clown dropping like a rock.-á Woke up in Vylade wondering what just happened!!! |

Vincent Gaines
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
371
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Posted - 2013.04.16 18:31:00 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:Che Biko wrote:How come Twilight vampires became the only kind of vampires some people can think about? Did they brainwash themselves by watching the Twilight movies too many times? Or maybe people don't like vampires because werewolves are better and thus use the most unflattering examples of them they can think of. Not saying that emo vampires who weren't given enough attention by their parents when they were growing up are much better but meh I digress.
Don't worry. Netflix is coming out with an emo-warewolf series very soon. Not a diplo.-á
The above post was edited for spelling. |

Per Bastet
B.O.O.M Obsidian Mining Coalition
27
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Posted - 2013.04.18 19:19:00 -
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James cliford wrote:Alexander Bjorvisk wrote:You do realize the EVE Gate is not capable of taking back people to earth anymore?
The reason society built itself up in New Eden is because they were not able to go back anymore so there was no other choice but to adapt. the eve gate was a wormhole a worm hole can reopen
Just a Small Correction - The Eve Gate as Built to Keep the Wormhole Open beyond it's Natural Life Span. As Stated here on the forums and in some parts of the lore the gate on the other side was called Adam.
When the Wormhole Overloaded (from being held open way beyond it's normal life span) it caused the Eve gate to overload and Basically dropped a electromagnetic pulse that leap frogged from gate to gate and wiped out all the real Tech that had come through.
Hence the Dark Ages we had. "Whether the paranoid conspiracy theory community has had a separate trial process and decided other crazy batshit insane garbage was true I can't attest to as I don't subscribe to that mailing list and instead deal in the realm of fact."-á - CCP Sreegs, 2013 |

MItchell Jensen
Gravit Negotii S2N Citizens
24
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Posted - 2013.04.18 20:21:00 -
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No. The face on the Avatar is used for much more than just the doomsday. |

Zepher Reload
Universal Super-Corporations
0
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Posted - 2013.05.02 09:46:00 -
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Everyone iv been seeing talking about Earth and the wormhole and the tech being so advanced, well who's to say its not a time hole and nothing much has really changed back home then they would get away with it and not make it over powered.
Say only a hundred years r so has past for earth. Same lvl of tech, just diffrent ships and diffrent weapons. |

Zepher Reload
Universal Super-Corporations
0
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Posted - 2013.05.02 09:53:00 -
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Zepher Reload wrote:Everyone iv been seeing talking about Earth and the wormhole and the tech being so advanced, well who's to say its not a time hole and nothing much has really changed back home then they would get away with it and not make it over powered.
Say only a hundred years r so has past for earth. Same lvl of tech, just diffrent ships and diffrent weapons.
Lets say the EVE colonists got sent back 22k years r so, and as they went through hell and rebirth to get to this point. Earth in there time line only 100 years has past and they have been trying to get the gate open finally after a hundred years they do (But stabilized the gate so no time change) and see that everything has changed and we r at war with each other. It would be confusing as hell but fun as well. |

Niko medes
Sonoran Shadow
35
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:59:00 -
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EVE is a dark story, sure it has its bright moments.. but the mere existence of capsuleers within this story is a tragedy in and of itself.
If we ever get access to the other side, I hope they play a wise card and make the new area void of life (or so it seems).. with only ancient ruins and unanswered questions. As time goes on this can change and the plot can take major twists but initially I think if we ever got to this point in EVE, it should be a dark and tragic revelation to all of us players.
Can you imagine? The EVE wormhole reopening, all of us so eager and excited to make contact.. only to find no one on the other side? One trait EVE is known for is the fact that it can be regarded as "real". Well reality ain't pretty at times!
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Andrea Griffin
386
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Posted - 2013.05.07 18:08:00 -
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Rock Brackenshield wrote:CCP Headfirst wrote:You don't want to go to Earth. I hear it's overrun by vampires. :)= I see what you did there... I could be completely off base, but i think i get what you mean.. Makes sense. Spoiler risk, so i wont expand The Blood Raiders had to come from somewhere, right? CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |

Jade III
Wolf Star Miners
0
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:43:00 -
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But our characters won't be able to remember who their ancestors were nor who their parents were. Not to mention that they won't know what Earth is and would look like. All of the Capsuleers are clones after all.
It would also be interesting to see a ruined planet like Earth was in the movie Oblivion. http://s11.zetaboards.com/Wolf_Star_Miners/index/
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Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Villore Accords
22
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Posted - 2013.05.08 03:58:00 -
[45] - Quote
I heard that the Jovian control a wormhole to Eath Space. That is where they get their advance tech, which explains this wierd Apple with a bait out of in on my implaints. Blasters for life
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Sarachem
Wormhole Generation ROOT Alliance
111
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Posted - 2013.05.08 06:10:00 -
[46] - Quote
Goner Temple are corporation-sect who popularizing idea about Earth in EvE. They build roleplay center in HV-EAP system (amarr outpost with freedock) and urgently need english-speaking members. Please contact Goner Sarachem or Goner Ridana ingame if intrested (sometimes afk))) |

Imp D
Interstellar Warmongering Mongoldoids Dragons of Fire and Ice
0
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Posted - 2013.05.08 23:21:00 -
[47] - Quote
It would be cool if the eve gate to the milky way re-opend, The sol system and earth could become the new jita as it be the system on the boarder of both gallxys.
Story line could go.. The jove reopen the gate sparking a war between the us with jove assistance against the advanced new faction of earth.
To who ever said the milky way was out of resources... it was my understanding that 16000 years ago when the eve gate opened earth had not explored the milky way as the didnt have jump gates, and only the resources of the sol system were depleted.
I also think it be a great twist if worm hole space turned out to be the milky way and that the original earth empire created and were then over run by sleepers. Pahaps a small pocket of earth forces could remain some where out thier at about the same tech level as us and crippled by constant sleeper attacks. |

Maggie Evenstar
Tantrum Pussycats
48
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Posted - 2013.05.15 11:46:00 -
[48] - Quote
I just use the fibsec-WHs to enter the SOL system. With a decent fleet you can make a billion ISK in a day clearing the SOL Defense Fleet NPCs. Earth and Mars look amazing!!! though I am very disappointed with Uranus. |

Dex Tera
DIVERGENT PROXY
93
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Posted - 2013.06.26 21:01:00 -
[49] - Quote
come on guys i can't even believe this is being debated this thread is so full of fail its ridiculous it is well know and documented that earth humans came through the eve gate the jove are humans who messed with the genetic bull and got the horn and the 4 main races are from the same earth human background as well stop speculating on things that are well known |

Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 12:54:00 -
[50] - Quote
First Bass wrote:CCP Headfirst wrote:You don't want to go to Earth. I hear it's overrun by vampires. :)= Oh man, please tell me this was a Blindsight reference. edit: it occurred to me it's more likely a WoD-MMO reference :smith:
Jta 4-4 reference...  It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2281
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:19:00 -
[51] - Quote
Kwatz! I hate it when people do this in real life with Evolutionary Theory, so let me make something abundantly clear:
In scientific terms, a theory is a stress-tested framework of explanations for a set of known facts that has graduated to the status of truth through both not having been disproven, and being of practical use. Einstein's theory of relativity has given us GPS satellites and allowed us to launch space probes. Evolutionary theory is the beating, working heart of every branch of modern biological sciences. Neither is ever going to be overturned, only refined and polished.
A theory, in science, basically means "explanation." if it's yet to reach that graduation point, it's known as a hypothesis, which in more common usage might be called an "educated guess". The term "just a theory and not an accepted fact" therefore reveals profound scientific ignorance in the person who utters it. It's akin to saying "The Hobbit is just a book, it's not a word." It is that dumb and back-asswards. The former is what lends context, meaning and usefulness to the latter.
examples: Fact: Matter attracts matter via a force we call "gravity". Hypothesis: "I think that gravity exists matter curves space-time, and that the "attraction" is what we see in three-dimensional space when an object follows a straight line along the curved surface of space-time." Law: "When viewed in an inertial reference frame, an object either is at rest or moves at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by a force." Prediction: "If our hypothesis is correct then when we put object X at location Y with velocity Z then when it passes near to object A it should follow trajectory B." Observation: "We put object X at location Y with velocity Z. When it passed near object A, it followed trajectory B." Conclusion: "therefore, our hypothesis is not wrong and makes useful predictions... our hypothesis has graduated to the status of a theory"
Alternatively, if Object A had followed trajectory C instead, then the hypothesis would be falsified and discarded, and a new hypothesis would need to be thought up.
Common Origin Theory, being an actual scientific theory in the fiction of the setting, is the working scientific mainstream understanding of how humanity came to be present in and spread across the cluster. It is disprovable but has not been disproven, it produces testable predictions (which, because it happens to be correct, will always be correct).
HOWEVER: The term "theory" is co-opted by people like moon landing conspiracy theorists and 9/11 inside-job theorists and so on in an attempt to lend credence to their position, so you have to be careful - seeing the word "theory" doesn't automatically mean that the idea has any serious scientific support. "theory" is not a legally protected term (though it bloody well should be), and many people have hijacked public ignorance of what the word means to try and make their own version look equal with the actual theories. Flat earth theory, intelligent design theory,
The same will apply in the fiction of New Eden. "Syncretism theory" and "Mold theory" will not be scientific theories because, frankly, they're wrong. We know that from a broken-fourth-wall perspective. They will never BE theories for that precise same reason. But anybody who personally believes in them is able to call them theories and thereby lend them the appearance of equal credence. They are opposing (and incorrect) beliefs exactly akin to Young Earth Creationism and the Geocentric model. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:25:00 -
[52] - Quote
I was with you until you dissed intelligent design.. It is a valid theory, cause and effect seems to support the possibility... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2281
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:44:00 -
[53] - Quote
Roga Dracor wrote:I was with you until you dissed intelligent design.. It is a valid theory, hypothesis rather, cause and effect seems to support the possibility... And it's never been disproven... You're atheist bias is showing.. 
it is anything BUT a valid theory. There's nothing intelligent about the design of creatures where the nerve from the top of the spinal cord to the vocal cords mere inches away goes via the heart. (the recurrent laryngeal nerve)
There's nothing intelligent about breathing from the same orifice you use to ingest food, leading to choking.
there's nothing intelligent about routing an excretion orifice through a reproductive organ.
There's nothing intelligent about leaving humans with a digestive appendix that serves us no useful evolutionary purpose, and occasionally ruptures and kills us.
You can make an argument for "Conscious but idiotic design" being not disproven, but it still makes no testable predictions, which is the other - and arguably more important - requirement for something to qualify as being a theory. seeing as Conscious Design makes no such testable predictions, it is not and shall never be a valid theory by the scientific definition of the term.
Lastly, by invoking God (or some similar intervening creator force) it is not only not-falsified, it is unfalsifiable. Falsifiability being a prerequisite for something to be considered a useful and valid scientific theory, Conscious Design is not a valid theory. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Samoth Egnoled
Infinitech
24282
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:44:00 -
[54] - Quote
As much as i would like to know how Earth has progressed over 16000 years, it would ruin the EVE-O story somewhat, What i would like to see is more progression in the Jovian story... |

Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:51:00 -
[55] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Roga Dracor wrote:I was with you until you dissed intelligent design.. It is a valid theory, hypothesis rather, cause and effect seems to support the possibility... And it's never been disproven... You're atheist bias is showing..  it is anything BUT a valid theory. There's nothing intelligent about the design of creatures where the nerve from the top of the spinal cord to the vocal cords mere inches away goes via the heart. (the recurrent laryngeal nerve) There's nothing intelligent about breathing from the same orifice you use to ingest food, leading to choking. there's nothing intelligent about routing an excretion orifice through a reproductive organ. There's nothing intelligent about leaving humans with a digestive appendix that serves us no useful evolutionary purpose, and occasionally ruptures and kills us. You can make an argument for "Conscious but idiotic design" being not disproven, but it still makes no testable predictions, which is the other - and arguably more important - requirement for something to qualify as being a theory. seeing as Conscious Design makes no such testable predictions, it is not and shall never be a valid theory by the scientific definition of the term.
I ammended my statement to hypothesis.. But it MAY be true... And if so, the scientific community will choke on it's own assumptions.. Of which you have just added a few.. While it may be idiotic in your eyes, you are not omniscient.. Who's to say? It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2281
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Posted - 2013.08.29 16:58:00 -
[56] - Quote
Equally, It MAY be true that the planet Mars is actually the weathered remains of the teapot from which the Giant Sky Grandmother poured the Earth's oceans, and on the day she shows up with the plate of cookies aren't you going to feel like an idiot? While the idea may seem idiotic in your eyes, you are not omniscient... who's to say? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 17:37:00 -
[57] - Quote
LOL, I intended no disrepect, though you obviously experienced those feelings.. Who is to say there is no "purpose" in the idiocy of the design. We humans use idiocy of design with purpose in manufacturing every day. Why? perishability. I sense a bit of arrogance in your demeanor. I don't claim to have enough facts to deem the design idiotic.
My statement that you are not omniscient was not a dig, it was a statement of empirical fact. Whether you like it or not, it is true. I believe you unqualified to make such a statement. You have placed yourself in the position of superiority to a posited intelligence that might have created reality itself. That, sir, is unmitigated arrogance.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2281
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Posted - 2013.08.29 17:40:00 -
[58] - Quote
No offense was taken whatsoever. you're right, it WAS an empirical statement of fact. It's also a tautology - one of the definitions of a human being is that we're not omniscient. Telling somebody as much is about as offensive as telling them that they breathe oxygen.
I've amended my above comment to expand on the point I intended to make by reflecting your words back at you. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 17:48:00 -
[59] - Quote
I accept the possibility of your rebuttal, though, likelyhood drops by a marginal degree... 
I prefer to believe in some purpose beyond mere physical imperative... Should I not, I am less important in the grander scheme of things than an earthworm. It has purpose, in your summation of reality, we do not.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2281
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Posted - 2013.08.29 18:15:00 -
[60] - Quote
Roga Dracor wrote: I prefer to believe in some purpose beyond mere physical imperative... Should I not, I am less important in the grander scheme of things than an earthworm. It has purpose, in your summation of reality, we do not..
Says who? And what exactly is the "purpose" of an Earthworm?
See, I define "purpose" as meaning "having a designated function, reason, intention or objective."
It's only possible for those things to be designated if there is a designator - purpose is something that's only imbued by an actual sentient agent. So the only summation of reality in which any creature or object actually has an assigned purpose is one in which there is a conscious creator.
In my world view, where I don't believe there is any such thing as a conscious creator, humans and earthworms are equal in having no assigned purpose. The crucial difference between us is that humans are sapient, and thus capable of assigning purpose to ourselves, a luxury which earthworms lack.
What you're doing right now is known as teleology. "Clouds are for raining", "trees are for shade", "mountains are for climbing" and so on. In fact, none of those statements are true - clouds, rain, mountains and trees are phenomena that result from natural processes, they're not tools designed with a goal in mind. Sheltering and climbing are interactions that humans, as sapient agents, are capable of choosing to have with those objects but again, they're not what those objects are for because they don't exist FOR anything, they exist BECAUSE something. They're the effect, not the cause.
The Teleological argument is a world view that presupposes the existence of a final-cause dispenser of purpose, rather than being itself a good argument to prove the existence of such a dispenser.
Besides, "I prefer to believe the world works a certain way because that way seems more beautiful to me" is not a justification, it's a cop-out. The kind of world you want to live in has no bearing on the kind of world you DO live in. "The kind of world I want to live in" is a dream to work towards, not a yardstick for evaluating what kind of world you are living in.
Roga Dracor wrote: In a purely emperical, logical world, all of our laws and customs would devolve to delusional self gratification and anything I can concieve becomes acceptable under your logical worldview... Survival of the fittest, mob rules mentality.. Look around you, it is coming to pass... Where would men like Hawkings and Einstein have ended up in such a worldview? Dead and forgotten, assuredly..
This meanwhile is known as "the slippery slope" and it's not valid reasoning at all. For starters, if I'm right and we DO live in a world without a creator, then we have ALWAYS lived in a world without a creator and those things haven't come to pass.
As to the implication that if the world were all rationalist agnostic atheists, then social order would collapse and society would slide into an orgy of violence and hedonism, I can only point to the fact that of all the nations on this planet , the ones with the happiest citizens and the lowest prison populations by percentage are also the least religious. I can only point to the fact that in first-world nations where atheism is not itself a crime, by far the smallest religious demographic among prison populations is "none".
this is just a hint, but if Pat Robertson said it, it's probably not true. Okay? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 18:22:00 -
[61] - Quote
An earthworms purpose is the recycling of the dirt.. The bees, the pollination of plantlife, etc.. Without these things, the world would be barren.. So, life itself designates their purpose. If humanity were wiped out tommorrow, the world would keep spinning, life would most likely, go on... We serve no greater purpose than self gratification.. If you are right.. In what manner has mankind made this world better for any creature, other than himself?
I can't honestly say I am other than an agnostic, myself.. Not atheist, though.. I would also argue, your civilization was built first and foremost by religion.. Pure religion, not some fools interpretation of religion.. My relationship with God is mine, I don't often share it with others.. Pat Robertson is just another self serving tool..
And sorry, but, we've derailed a thread, lol... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2281
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Posted - 2013.08.29 18:35:00 -
[62] - Quote
that we did. if you want to keep discussing this via private message that's cool with me, but we should stop crapping up this thread, I think. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
552
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Posted - 2013.08.29 18:40:00 -
[63] - Quote
Mayhap one of these days I will reactivate my account and Roga and Stitcher can hook up in the Shackled Amarr and discuss it further over drinks, lol... He thinks much as I do.. Adeu! It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Graelyn
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
485
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Posted - 2013.09.01 07:00:00 -
[64] - Quote
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Denak Calamari wrote:If the wormhole would open again and let us in, the following options will happen:
A. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is deserted after all the resources have been depleted, resulting into the extinction of humanity or recolonizing to another galaxy with the technology they accumulated in 16,000 years. B. Earth and the entire Milky Way galaxy is at war, using weaponry and technology even an armada of Titans could not match. Entering Earth would mean very swift destruction. C. Earth and whatever is left off the galaxy come back to New Eden to reclaim it, which would result to our very swift destruction.
In my opinion, I don't want any of these happening. That's most unfortunate... because one of them will.
Truth.
+ Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" Amarr Loyalist of the Year --áYC113 |

Graelyn
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
485
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Posted - 2013.09.01 07:01:00 -
[65] - Quote
Dex Tera wrote:come on guys i can't even believe this is being debated this thread is so full of fail its ridiculous it is well know and documented that earth humans came through the eve gate the jove are humans who messed with the genetic bull and got the horn and the 4 main races are from the same earth human background as well stop speculating on things that are well known
You are not nearly as educated on the subject as you think.
Speak less until you are.
+ Cardinal Graelyn + Owner/Operator, "The Summit" Amarr Loyalist of the Year --áYC113 |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
157
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:51:00 -
[66] - Quote
Tavin Aikisen wrote:Dex Tera wrote:[quote=Caitlyn Tufy] we as humans in the rl have already found this out about our current race with our current tech That's because we have pretty large fossil record to refer to and can see any signs of divergence in the real world. Each race in EVE would check their record and find it suddenly ends on their home world in most cases. There'd be NO mitochondrial "Adam" or "Eve" to refer to. They'd simply find similarities in DNA and other genetic material between races and that's it. We can trace our real world history to places in Europe and Africa because we have migrated from there. In-fact there are fossils where every person in the world is essentially linked to. However if those links are cut (those fossils never found) each one of us could be a very different species that evolved parallel to one another.
never mind, I just reread this so never mind. |

Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
66
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Posted - 2013.09.07 02:14:00 -
[67] - Quote
It is a well known fact that Canadians are of a different species than humankind. |

Matar Ronin
37
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Posted - 2013.09.08 13:52:00 -
[68] - Quote
To discover some of the ancient history of the Earthmen who first colonized the New Eden side of the wormhole in the next expansion would be good. I for one enjoy the fact that the empires of New Eden have lost any possible chance to contact Earth ever again. They are on their own as they have been for thousands of years. If it's not broke don't fix it! GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ |

Cathy Okagima
Okagima Corporation
2
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Posted - 2013.10.15 09:30:00 -
[69] - Quote
To be honest when I started reading this thread my answer was simple, no. But as I read it occurs to me if it was going to be done it would be pretty cool to go back and explore a dead or mostly dead human empire. This said I would prefer it stay closed I'm rather at home in New Eden. |

Sointu Luonnotar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:28:00 -
[70] - Quote
This post may contain spoilers from EVE books:
I think it would be more likely than not, that if Earth and any other human civilization exists on the other side of the gate, it would be like the Imperium of Man from WH40k. Except less of an empire and probably more isolated pockets of humanity. Considerng what we know of the background lore, after the New Eden gate collapsed, humanity would have turned on itself again and fought devastating wars with weapons so powerful we can only dream - or have nightmares - of. Remember the weapon Jamyl Sarum used? That could've been an Earthen strip miner for all we know and not even intended as a weapon.
So, say we find a way back. There would perhaps be technologically superior planets there, but their technology would be tens of thousands of years old and each an invaluable relic. |

MacAllister Rova
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.31 16:51:00 -
[71] - Quote
You don't want to go to Earth. Haven't you been watching all those television reality shows just now reaching us from 20,000+ years ago? Just think of what they might have become over that time.
Between the Kardashians, Kanye West, Honey Boo Boo and all those Biggest Losers people, earthlings must have evolved into something we would want nothing to do with... |

Roga Dracor
Ultramarine Corp
570
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:05:00 -
[72] - Quote
Earth, as the birthplace of humanity, likely wasn't the center of the Milky Way.. All of the colonization came from Tau Ceti.. This thread should be Tau Ceti in the next expansion.... Earth is probably a stripped shell of a planet, decimated and left barren by the expansion of a viral plague known as homo sapiens...  |

Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3062
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:13:00 -
[73] - Quote
If you shield tank, don't go to Earth. In fact, get rid of your shields entirely if you do. The Sleepers had the right idea with an xbawk huge armor tank. |
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