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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.08.30 08:38:00 -
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Description of my idea: In simple terms, show live gameplay by streaming the desktops of players.
The streams are not full-speed streams as atm it takes too much resources but I am still working on that, so instead a screenshot is taken every 5 seconds and is being sent to a media server of mine.
Users can then watch the live feeds by visiting the site and opening up the stream they want to view.
Interested in participating and showing your gameplay? You need two things for this to work.
1. Windows Media Encoder - the software I use to capture the dekstop and send the live stream to my media server. Can be downloaded from my site or Microsoft's. It is freeware. 2. The WME script file - obtained via my site, hold the configuration to make it work.
Installation and setup should not take more than 5 min aprox and has so far worked without too much hassle, basicly install and run script file and press start and you're live.
The idea is to show not only EVE players what others are doing but also showing anyone interested what is going on, showing wars, pvp, mining, pirating and more.
I am sure that there will be more talk about this so I will do my best to make everything clear.
So for the viewers: EVE Live! And for the streamers: Script Generation
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Posted - 2005.08.30 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Filiberto heading to yulai
I love the idea this is great.
hope other players wil join in. did you make the site yourself cous it's really profesionall imo.
Yes this is made by me. And hopefully yes others will join in as well, even if they just mine or do something they feel is silly.
Originally by: Neon Genesis Very nice idea!
If i didnt spend so much time doing nothing these days id join in for certain
Well nothing can be something, if not it looks better to have some streams rather than none ;) But feel free to give it a try if you want.
Originally by: Gronslick Much easyer to catc now:P
I didn't even know I was that hard to catch in the first place lol
Originally by: Commander Stringer just rememeber NOT to have it active when ur setting up a strike force or some such..don't want ur nme's knowing about it
But DO remember to turn it on once you're set, I doubt I am the only one that would love to see some real wars/pvp without having to leave the safe carebear space of 1.0
Originally by: Raem Civrie You own and deserve a sticky and a free beer during the fanfest.
Beer... can't I get a coke or quafe instead, I wouldn't want CONCORD to bust me for DUI Plus CCP can give me a free fanfest package so I can come enjoy it as well hehe
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz wanted to see myself live but didnt work guess it kill my already ****ty connection to much :/
You wanted to see yourself looking at yourself? hehe :)
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Edge1 Very cool Chribba.
I have just been watching a feed for a few minutes, and have realised that the streaming shows all action made by them on the computer (ie I can see them browsing the net during warps etc).
Is there a way for the streaming to be solely of Eve footage?
It may be more appealing to people wanting to stream footage if they dont have to worry/turn off eve-live, everytime they want to do something else during warp etc.
But very cool
There is, but I haven't found it working like I wanted it to, hence why it's set to capture the full screen.
In WME you can specify the window that should be captured but like said, it doesn't work like it is supposed and I haven't figured out how to get that working (if it is possible) and I do agree with the interest of seeing someone browse the eve forums while warp etc.
Hopefully I can overcome the problem and present a working solution for it.
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sumica Simple way to prevent showing your raid, make it not quite live.
Put a 10 min delay on it or somthing kind of like the LAX website dose with it's airtrafic tracker.
Altho No clue how you would do such a thing, but not sure you could live feed a vid from eve to a site and still have any bandwidth to play eve.
It isn't 100% real-time now, usually around 1-2 min delay in the feed.
Aprox bandwidth is 20-30kb/s so most people with at least 512kbit links should be able to stream without any problem.
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Posted - 2005.08.30 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: DonTrump Cool idea, and your search works awsome.
Thanks :)
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80 Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 30/08/2005 10:52:53 Looks very good
Few recommendations:
- Can you get into one of these truly 'neutral' reporting corps, like Eve Radio or the such? Would be a lot easier for you to get into massive fleet battles.
- Delay the feed by 5 mins if possible, especially during fleet battles.
- Get someone to add commentary to these large events.
- Archive some of the better feeds?
- Increase frame-rate for some of the better engagements.
- Get some advertising on your site to pay for all that bandwidth.
You seriously want me to leave my big alliance for a neutral news corp? lol (but hey anyone wanting to stream can do it) Not sure I can delay it based on minutes but maybe I can set some option in the server. Both better speed and audio can easily be set by the streamer, reason I set the values I have is because of my own limitations on my eve box and bandwidth, we can modify when needed. Ads or a donate-o-meter or something most likely but that's future plans if so.
Thank you :)
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: LoxyRider Its a very cool idea, the only problem is there are obviously people i dont want watching hehe. Is there anyway to setup like private groups, if i wanted to share my stream with just my corp/alliance/select friends rather then everyone including the enemy hehe.
Yes it can be done, altho anyone basicly could view the stream if they know the URL to it. So yes it can easily be done so you and your friends can view it without it showing on the site.
As for enemy issues, Ikvar mentioned he did not want to reveal his location etc when doing things so I made a small program that you can use to hide parts of your screen (of course you won't see the parts yourself but anyway), blocking out systemname etc.
You can get it here. It is ugly as hell but does the job (so far).
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Posted - 2005.08.30 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kye Kenshin This is cool
I tried out myself but it felt weird thinking people were watching me like i was a cam ***** or something.
I think ill reserve this for when pvp arises. People find out too much about you when you go about your daily business. As everyone knows i do lvl1 missions in a mega now!
But anyway a really good idea
I got nothing to hide... DO YOU!?! hehe
Originally by: Squelch I wonder who'll be first to get caught with goat **** minimised?
I hope none, for their sake and mine for streaming such content.
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Posted - 2005.08.30 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow Whats the lag like though? I run a 2meg ADSL will i notice any kinda lag as i most definitely cant have that
Hopefully you won't notice it but I can't vouch for everybody, maybe I am spoiled with my uplinks ;)
Maybe 20-30kb/s. So you should have at least 80% if not more of your bandwidth left. As for CPU usage shouldn't be much at all since it uses 0.2fps
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Posted - 2005.08.30 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: RobW1 Why am I getting a thing saying "test feed" ?
Because I didn't want to stream my desktop while TQ was down, so I decided to put that lame thing there :)
Streams are now back.
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Posted - 2005.08.30 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Akhual Superb idea...
If there was a delay option so it owuld show what you did 1 hour ago I'd definatly offer myself for streaming -
Althgouh not sure anyone would want to see me lose yet another destroyer to a coverter, lol... (Damn lack of skills, heh)
I will look into it and see if I can find a delay (buffer) time option, the risk that I can think of right away may be that if you start now and have the delay of 1 hour, the actual stream will not be available to view until an hour later. Dunno if this would cause any problem or not but I will look into it.
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Posted - 2005.08.30 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 30/08/2005 13:23:58
Originally by: Winterblink This was done with Final Fantasy XI, being able to watch live in the game. The camera would switch to various locations, even had cinematic-style camera paths to follow so it would pan around something interesting while the players went around and did their business.
Very cool idea.
Except their cameras where server cameras not from the players views. And you could not chose where to view. :)
The billboard idea is cool, and most likely doable if you use semi-full-stream content.
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Posted - 2005.08.30 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Chribba Except their cameras where server cameras not from the players views. And you could not chose where to view. :)
Personally, I'd much rather have the server manage the camera. How boring would a fleet fight be, watching it at max zoom-out. Yay, brackets and the occasional bright light! :)
Signed. Wonder if they will have a hard time implementing secrutity camers at some node gates etc?
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Posted - 2005.08.30 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Chribba Except their cameras where server cameras not from the players views. And you could not chose where to view. :)
Personally, I'd much rather have the server manage the camera. How boring would a fleet fight be, watching it at max zoom-out. Yay, brackets and the occasional bright light! :)
Signed. Wonder if they will have a hard time implementing secrutity camers at some node gates etc?
LOL, never. That would be a totally imbecile idea.
Player A: "Is the gate camped ?" Player B: "No idea, I'll check the security cam." Player B: "It's safe." Player A: "Jumping .."
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Fleet commander: "What ships to they have the other side ?" Player A: "No idea, I'll check the security cam." Player A procedes to list enemy ships at the gate ...
Who said it hat to be 0.0 gates? ;) Major 1.0 node gates would be cool, where it actually is traffic almost any time of the day.
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Posted - 2005.08.30 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: dabster OMG so curious to see what this is like! O_o
Cant wait for when it's up again..sounds like awsome work on you Chribba
Thanks :) You shall know tomorrow.
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Posted - 2005.08.31 06:59:00 -
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Everything should be back up and running now, let me know if you encounter any problems.
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Posted - 2005.08.31 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: The Slayer "Unable to establish connection to server" When attempting to apply new settings.
Should work, just tried and it launched and streamed fine. You didn't change any of the Output settings?
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Posted - 2005.08.31 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: The Slayer Nope, killed my firewall and everything but it still aint working :S
You have no problem viewing a stream? Everything should be up and running, others have been connected and streamed so it should work. Will have to sort this out. Just make sure that the output server says "stream.evelocal.com"
Originally by: Ten'ketel when i try and open the .wme file to make my own stream, an error comes up saying that the file 'does not appear to be a valid session file'
Are you using some special characters in the name or description? If so try use a normal name, altho it shouldn't matter as I tried using special chars and it loaded up fine.
Should load fine if it is copied straight off the script generator.
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Posted - 2005.08.31 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 31/08/2005 16:35:57
Originally by: jbob2000 BTW, blackout doesnt work in fullscreen! oh noes!
As for FireFox there is a guide on the main page of EVE-Live on how to get the plugin, works fine for me in FF.
Does it even capture when running in full mode?
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Posted - 2005.08.31 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Oi Poloi Edited by: Oi Poloi on 31/08/2005 16:44:51 markx is watching neekid people!
I belive that was the first victim lol let us hope we dun get to see such things again lmao
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Posted - 2005.09.01 07:23:00 -
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You mean how you get it to stream?
There's a small faq on the left side on this page. I thought it would explain everything needed to be known ;)
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Posted - 2005.09.02 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius Excuse me for beeing ingnorant.
But is it possible that this little program can be filled with some evil code that captures your keystrokes and steal your passwords?
Someone enlight me out of my ignorance
Of course it is possible, however I would never put my reputation with EVE-Files, EVE-Search etc at risk by doing such.
As for the software used, you can get it from Microsoft's site as well if you feel that downloading it from me feels untrustworthy.
Get it from Microsoft here.
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Posted - 2005.09.02 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: DeathSpawn66 it keeps saying request not understood by network...whats up with this thing
What says that? The Encoder or when you try to view a stream?
If encoder, did you copy the script properly? And I assume there is no firewall or routers blocking your request?
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Posted - 2005.09.02 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius Microsoft is the most untrustworthy of all sites. Most virus are downloaded there. I think people should stick with you mate. What can be more untrustworthy than Microsoft?!
Anyhow i felt someone should point this out, mainly because we have no comments from Dev's so far.
A pirate site? ;)
Maybe all devs have gathered at the CCP hq having a meeting about how I stole their idea and how they will get their revenge?
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Posted - 2005.09.02 16:08:00 -
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You used the script file and pressed start encode and it never showed up nor get any error?
No error when loading the script?
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Posted - 2005.09.02 16:44:00 -
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Sorry my fault after some changes I made. It has been fixed now and should work properly, sorry for the trouble.
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Posted - 2005.09.02 17:19:00 -
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Dunno if you can specify a single monitor or not. Another user asked the same thing but I have no clue since I do not have dual myself.
But check the settings on "Source" and configure the "Screen Capture" modules, maybe you can get it working properly there.
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Posted - 2005.09.02 17:44:00 -
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I have ideas on how to make protected feeds yes, should be available shortly. :)
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Posted - 2005.09.02 22:55:00 -
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No problem bandwidth wise for me, I have plenty of it so it should be alright.
I doubt that CCP will implement this on the live server...
I can easily have my media server save the streams to eve-files (actually I did but turned it off today).
Wonder if CCP pays in isk or cash ;) And of course I play, you haven't seen me zoom around the carebareish way? haha
It's not laggy, it takes a screenshot every 5 sec instead of full-time stream.
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Posted - 2005.09.03 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: DeathSpawn66 The following error occurred while setting up the source 'EVE screen capture': The request couldn't be understood by the server(0xC00D2EE3)
thats what it says when i try to connect
Hmmz, you still use the script file on the site? Not sure what that error means, maybe some connectivity issues.
Originally by: Thomus have read this idea at top of thread, not read the rest yet, so i might be shooting wildly here and missing the point,
but isn't a shot of the desktop every few seconds a little dodgy? I mean, what happens if someone had.... explicit material... on their second monitor? would that also be uploaded? hehe
It could show yes, you can restrict it to show only what you want though but by default it shows everything so use with caution until you got it working properly.
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Posted - 2005.09.04 13:55:00 -
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The reason I put 0.2 FPS at start is because full streams take a lot of bandwidth, so it is better to start low and then tweak it (like we all are doing now) until we get a suitable stream.
I could easily make a very good looking stream but then of course it would take a huge amount of bandwidth, that's not good for me nor the clients.
I doubt that there is lack of bandwidth on my end since my link never reached over 50% of its full bandwidth. More a question of server resources if so, since sometimes other scripts can stall the server. So it's hard to say exactly what the issue was but I'm certain that it was not due to limited bandwidth.
Virt, you can delay the stream a bit by changing the buffer value (I think WME max is 100 secs).
And of course EVE-Live is far from being perfect with its streams, hence why I have all you dedicated people doing your things to find the suitable settings for both streamer and client (and of course my hosting).
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Posted - 2005.09.05 12:37:00 -
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Well the idea is to show live gameplay, but yes it can stream other things as well (but a suggestion if you want to stream movies that can be done from the server itself, eg if you want to stream a movie already on eve-files it shouldn't be any problem at all).
And no I have no plans of charging you (but hey ISK donations or donations via the donate-o-meter is always nice).
Indeed a cloaked spy could really make a twist of the gameplay, good and bad :)
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Posted - 2005.09.06 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: MachZERO Well Chribba, if we were neighbors I'd throw you a kegger man. You simply rock. Gonna just run missions with corpmates to give you some streams to play with and tweak.. Will give some of the folks out there a dif aproach to lvl 4 missions like angel extrav.. assumming they are even watching when we run them. :/
Top notch..
Sounds great, you should stop by the channel "EVE-Live" as well, we have some good script tweakers there so you can get better streams. :)
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Posted - 2005.09.08 13:43:00 -
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Tweaks here and there has improved the quality and speed quite a bit (many thanks to Virtuozzo) so you all should get a much better experience of the streams now.
And do not forget to try and catch Virtuozzo's alt flying around afk in 0.0, perhaps you will manage to see your kill live ;)
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Posted - 2005.09.08 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 08/09/2005 15:49:56 Have added an option at the script making.
Low-Frame and High-Frame.
Low-Frame needs less resources than the High-Frame but as the name states less FPS (and thus less laggy on your machine unless you got the resources).
Low-Frame uses 4 FPS, quite low but easily watched unless you're picky about it ;) Resolution 1024x768 High-Frame uses 12.5 FPS (this is what Virtuozza uses) Resolution 512x384
Additional script tweaking is on the line.
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Posted - 2005.09.19 06:57:00 -
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=)
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