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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.08.31 10:43:00 -
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Recent tirades from your members about how they dont like slavery and arent slavers have led me to ask this question?
Do you still support slavery?
And for UQS
Do you still support the house of Sarum, and all that entails?
I dont want tirades, A simple yes or no answer is all that this requires.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Bastables
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Posted - 2005.08.31 11:00:00 -
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But you've done such a sterling job speaking for UQS....
Having problems fitting your little cardboard cut outs?
Terrorists don't deserve answers, for you hell is a place of ambush.
Be reclaimed, and be loved
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.08.31 11:05:00 -
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Typical.
No, but if you no longer support slavery then our resources are best spent elsewhere.
Simple.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.08.31 11:22:00 -
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This kind'a slander'as no place for'a forum'a diplomacy...
You know'at we want, you know'ere we stand... And we'll kill you if'n you get'in our way.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.08.31 11:25:00 -
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Be silent, when I want a childs opinion I will ask for it.
No, I no longer know where these people stand. Or perhaps, its just the pilots that fly with them that dont.
Either way. I wanted some clarification.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.31 11:27:00 -
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Khaldorn,
It seems you are confused and unsure of your reasons for fighting.
Perhaps it is best you take these concerns to your leadership and not ours.
Your problems are not our problems... yet.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.08.31 11:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Aphoxema G
This kind'a slander'as no place for'a forum'a diplomacy...
You know'at we want, you know'ere we stand... And we'll kill you if'n you get'in our way.
I think you'll find the forum for diplomacy here.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.08.31 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 31/08/2005 11:33:01
Originally by: Lord Artemis
Khaldorn,
It seems you are confused and unsure of your reasons for fighting.
Perhaps it is best you take these concerns to your leadership and not ours.
Your problems are not our problems... yet.
No, I know exactly why I fight scum.
I am asking you, if you can understand such a concept, is if you still follow what you originally claimed to follow. That is all. It is quite simple.
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Just a simple warrior.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.31 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Recent tirades from your members about how they dont like slavery and arent slavers have led me to ask this question?
Do you still support slavery?
And for UQS
Do you still support the house of Sarum, and all that entails?
I dont want tirades, A simple yes or no answer is all that this requires.
What tirades?
All I said was that it was ridiculous of you to call me a slaver when all I have done is change a corp ticker. If I wasn't a slaver in Jericho then I don't see how changing a few letters makes me one.
But of course we know the answer. You just throw the old slaver tag to demonize your enemy. All minmatar terrorists are prone to moral relativism, whether its allying with slavers from SF or siding with the Gallente Federation which once attempted genocide upon the Caldari.
The Gallente only helped your people because they feared the Empire and the State. You are truely deluded if you think they ever cared for anyone's freedom but their own.
Of course UQS supports slavery and House Sarum. But I don't see how joining UQS changed me from an acceptable ally into an evil slaver, given that I have been supporting the Empire from my first month as a pod pilot, and killing minmatar terrorists the whole time.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.08.31 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 31/08/2005 12:17:14
Originally by: theRaptor
.. tirade .. blah, blah
Originally by: theRaptor
Of course UQS supports slavery and House Sarum.
That is all I wanted to know.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.08.31 15:44:00 -
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*slaps Khaldorn for having been so patient*
thanks gentlemen, looks like it has been a hard work, but at the end you managed to answer a question.
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Russo
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Posted - 2005.08.31 16:21:00 -
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Aphox for the love of God, how much for class school? Im willing to pay the bill if you will speak normal.
Russo - CEO Amarria Auxilia
XL pod for an XL personality
'Russo, what exactly do you feed your ego to keep it that big?.'
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Tomahawk Bliss
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Posted - 2005.08.31 16:41:00 -
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it is more like AM doesn't "stop" slavery, but the focus of AM is not to forward Slavery, it is to forward the Reclaiming. Why slavery rarely even comes up, now fighting minmatar terrorism, that comes up a lot.
Like Bastables said, you can't make neat little cutouts of who this alliance is. this isn't CVA or UK, we aren't so easy to define. I doubt you could ever understand that it is possible to fight against Terrorism and yet not indulge in slavery. If you don't want to fight AM anymore you know where the surrender button is, or better yet stop attempting terrorism and our conflict will cease.
Consider that recent event in Camal, AM does not care one way or the other about the fate of those Slaves. It is not our job to make sure slavery continues or slavery is stopped. That is for the people to decide since we don't dictate the laws of the Empire.
Sorry to force you to think outside your 2 dimensional existence of slaver/non-slaver. Recognize there is more to this Universe than that.
now please reply with your typical nonsensical diatribes, call everyone a slaver and try some twisty word game that pretends to employ logic. Oh and then when people ignore that make sure to say over and over again ôYou arenÆt answering my questionsö
"You can go kill people wherever you want if you take the consequences like a man (or a woman)."
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2005.08.31 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 31/08/2005 17:06:39
They support the Amarr Empire and any member that does that automaticly supports slavery, though some claim not as theRaptor does.
"I only kidnap people and hand them over to a murderer, I however have nothing to do with murdering people."
"I help sustaining an empire that has its foundations built on the bones and flesh of countless slaves; æhowever I do not support slavery...Æ "
<<< I think it runs in their bloodline, everything they do is in the name of god and if it isn't then they are still in denial towards their own actions.
That is why you fight them, if we would only focus on slave holders and those conducting genocide we forget about the army and supporters that conquer and defend these people.
I also like to point out how the Caldari Prime bombardment started it started after the Caldari slaughtered countless of Galenteans on the planets surface, where the Federation was looking for a way to solve a problem the Caldari found a way to start a conflict. Reading stories and chronicles shows enough how those not fortunate of having a good job or being a pod pilot amongst Caldari are treated not a lot better then Minmatar slaves in the Amarr Empire. Caldari measure things by isk and last time I checked that is also the way you could buy slaves on the market.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.08.31 17:14:00 -
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All depends on your definition of 'slaver' I guess Khaldorn, which I'm sure is more than pliable enough to fit whatever you need it to at the time.
If you mean one who owns slaves or engages in the slave trade, I'm not one. AM pilots are each free to participate however they want in the slave trade. Just because Raptor and I don't, that has no impact on what AM is. Raptor and Tomahawk's statements are spot on.
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cold lazarus
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Posted - 2005.08.31 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
All I said was that it was ridiculous of you to call me a slaver when all I have done is change a corp ticker. If I wasn't a slaver in Jericho then I don't see how changing a few letters makes me one.
Thats because you ticker now stands for slavery and all that goes with it, if you dont like that change it again its only a few letters 
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Witch Doctor
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Posted - 2005.09.01 01:51:00 -
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Why do we bother with this poorly fashioned counterfeit imitation of the CVA? What relevance do they have to the galaxy, really? What purpose do they serve other than a living reminder at Istvaan's masterful pillaging of Ubiqua Seraph, an event that serves as a towering monument to Amarrian arrogance and all the fatal weaknesses it brings to the Empire?
Better to focus our efforts on the real threat, rather than the braying, scraggly hyenas that skitter about GalNet, snarling and growling, maybe nipping on occasion, but never more than scavengers at the heels of the galaxy's true predators.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.09.01 02:06:00 -
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Edited by: theRaptor on 01/09/2005 02:11:51
Originally by: Witch Doctor
Why do we bother with this poorly fashioned counterfeit imitation of the CVA? What relevance do they have to the galaxy, really? What purpose do they serve other than a living reminder at Istvaan's masterful pillaging of Ubiqua Seraph, an event that serves as a towering monument to Amarrian arrogance and all the fatal weaknesses it brings to the Empire?
Better to focus our efforts on the real threat, rather than the braying, scraggly hyenas that skitter about GalNet, snarling and growling, maybe nipping on occasion, but never more than scavengers at the heels of the galaxy's true predators.
Istvaans great failure you mean. The destroyer of corps pulls of his greatest heist and it causes no more then a slight pause for UQS.
And I would think the reason you fight us is because CVA see you as inconsequential next to their mission in providence. We are one third your size and inflict damages far out of proportion to that.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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Drakus
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Posted - 2005.09.01 02:25:00 -
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*Smiles at theraptors comment*
keep talking... they say laughter is the best medicine, and lord, your better then any health care plan i have heard of
This post does not relfect the opinions of the Ushra'Khan or any of its members.
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2005.09.01 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
And I would think the reason you fight us is because CVA see you as inconsequential next to their mission in providence.
I would beware of making statements on behalf of others, where you know little and may understand even less.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.09.01 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Drakus
*Smiles at theraptors comment*
keep talking... they say laughter is the best medicine, and lord, your better then any health care plan i have heard of
Yes it was hilarious when KIA single handedly crippled your alliance. They got nearly a hundred or so kills in a week wasn't it? And you were a second party to the whole conflict. My that was amusing.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
-- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure. |
Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.09.01 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Witch Doctor
Why do we bother with this poorly fashioned counterfeit imitation of the CVA?
That would be the same as us implying you and the new "electric monkey" alliance are the exact same.
One more time for the slow kids, The CVA & AM have a common enemy, thats the part that's important to you.
Your alliance needs to have a meeting, it appears you either began the fight for no reason, or you began the fight and forgot the reason. This battle of wits is over since you are indeed unarmed.
If you wanted to surrender, then there are more dignified ways of doing so. Proclaiming and flaunting your ignorance will only make this harder for you.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.09.01 05:46:00 -
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You know this entire thread just goes to show that you are as ignorant in your understanding of your enemy as you are of your actual motives to fight. Or have you figured out yet that the reason you fight pointlessly is because you hate Amarr rather than actually wanting to free slaves, there are much less costly methods of freeing slaves.
You dont actually understand the differences between your enemies, that just because AM may hold many similar beliefs as the CVA does not make them a copy of said organisation. If they copied us, they would work in a very different manner than they do.
However, they do support Amarr, so I think they qualify as your enemies, afterall as far as I can tell you consider any Amarran supporter your enemy, whether or not they actually have done anything to harm your beloved 'brothers'. Of course, judgeing by the numbers of Matari killed alongside their Amarran masters and by some of the invective I have heard against the actual matari 'state', I wouldnt be surprised if those 'brothers' qualified as enemies as well.
But then really, what do I care if you can't tell the difference between your foes. As long as your pilots and crew end up dead for their stupidity in continueing a war that officially ended 107 years ago at Yulai I couldnt care less if the AM actually was (Which it isnt, and if someone who is not so blinded by hate to actually see the fine points of the matter wants a responce on the differences between the AM and CVA they can ask.) a cheap copy of the CVA.
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The Patriarch
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Posted - 2005.09.01 07:39:00 -
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Quote:
You know this entire thread just goes to show that you are as ignorant in your understanding of your enemy as you are of your actual motives to fight
it shows that CVA is crippled and dying slowely. And UQS is keeping up the fate of slavers by running down in expendable ships and indeed have some suc66 Raptor, but what where you thinking we assemble an alliance fleet to counter your pathetic movements? It is indeed laughable...........to see small wolfpacks hunting you back all the way you came from in half the time you needed to come down. Where are you anyways? Showing up here making statements about KIA and bla this and that, come to the front and show us your KIA style now....
my view does not represent those of my alliance
As`t nie giet soals `t mot, mot `t moar soals `t giet! |
Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.09.01 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Revanant
Reclaiming does not equal enslavement. Enslavement is only one means. It's really the last resort and is only used when the reclaimees don't agree with us.
This is house Sarums official line is it? This is the Empires official line is it?
Because, on the day of darkness, i remember seeing many diplomats asking us to parley.
Oh, hang on. No I don't. Your Empire simply invaded, murdered, pillaged and enslaved us without a secound thought?
So, until you prove otherwise Reclaiming = Slavery. Show me one instance where it has not. Until then, be silent for you obviously know not what you talk about.
Tomohawk, your ignorance and childish behaviour say more against you than I ever can. Perhaps one day you will open your eyes and see.
And if your Empire freed slaves, we would not fight any of you. You obviously cannot believe this and it says as much about your character as anything else.
It is amusing to see you lash out with as many insults as you can over a simple question. Perhaps I should ask more simple questions so you can show us how far you have fallen.
Brother Witch, UQS for all intents and purposes appear to be nothing more than a joke, they cannot even commit to that which they profess to believe. Perhaps we should place our forces elsewhere, I will talk to the council on this.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.09.01 08:35:00 -
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Err...translation?
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
CEO - The Aeternus Crusade |
Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.09.01 08:54:00 -
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"UQS for all intents and purposes appear to be nothing more than a joke, they cannot even commit to that which they profess to believe. Perhaps we should place our forces elsewhere, I will talk to the council on this."
If you contemplate surrender being an end to a means you are mistaken.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.09.01 09:10:00 -
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Please. Even you know better than that, I see a rot has infested you all.
Jibes of coward and surrender? Schoolyard pranks for children. Perhaps you should look within.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.09.01 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Never thought I'd be pointing across the field to my enemy and calling him yellow. The times are a'changing.
You, I once had some mediocrim of respect for, and spirits know, i dont know why i would hold such feelings towards such scum. But warriors cannot help it sometimes.
You are wrong. You know this yet you resort to childish jibes. I thought you were above this.
I said why divert forces to hunt an enemy that no longer enslaves our people? There are others out there that do. You are welcome to come to us, you know us to stand and fight as we have always done, and will always do.
And I remind you, I am not the leader of the Ushra'Khan. Remember that.
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Just a simple warrior.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.09.01 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 01/09/2005 09:24:15
It doesn't matter what your motivations are. You think them relevant somehow.
We declared war on You.
We came together to rid the Empire of You.
And we will.
Call that a childish jibe if you will. Call names, accuse, pander, talk down, whatever you like. Keep claiming that CVA is dead. Keep trying to figure out how a group of 80 pilots is browbeating a force of almost 400. Keep screaming 'cheater' in local while we celebrate. Keep allowing your spies to report thier findings in local where we can see them and have a chuckle.
Keep up whatever you're doing.
It's worked well for you thus far.
You don't like my tone? Well that just wounds me.
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
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