I take it you dont mod your skyrim.

you have not playe skyrim untill you played it on a pc and modded and that goes exactly for oblivion and morrowind aswell
and because the game can be so heavily modded to your needs it will stay one of the best games of the last 5 years and pretty much deserved and that is because of the fans not bethesda ( needless to say you wouldn't even recognize my skyrim anymore )
back to your question

maybe your use of skyrim generation is wrong , a better word would be console generation

the need for instant gratification and the need to win in society is what i blame

You know you make a good point i think i do mean the console stuff in disc and play generation.

I did play on pc. And pointing towards mods sort of backs up what i'm saying. It may have not kept me intrested long enough to get me to put on mods. After a certain amount of slashing and do have to say some nice cinematics it sort of just ... i went back to eve :-p

But yes you're right i do mean the console generation.

I'm 28 now gettin old .

Back in my day if you where a gamer you where nerd. At the very minimum an unusual individual. I remember playing a game to finish whas actually hard, and sometimes near damn impossible.

These days everyone plays 'games'. With highest player numbers on games like angry bird or farmville ... One of those more challenging games out there for the mass i'm sure :-p.

So why the skyrim generation?

Well Skyrim is still today heralded as one of those epic games. Though pretty good game no doubts. But overal, i call it 'morrowind for special needs kids'. Oblivion whas a little in between.

I realize i'm going to get allot fanboy crap about this but then ... given that those people failed to read/understand the post i'm going to have to send said posters on their merry way with a nice shoulder pat and direct them to the angrybirds booth.

Another thing i noticed whas how humanity takes credit for the few's creativity. It's like how people don't seem to realize what college is for ... it's something invented to make dumb people do smart peoples jobs. Yeah i said it. I've been there, i know. One can hardly consider itself one of the contributing group if all your information has to be given to you by other people.

A few question i'm hoping to get answers to from random people:


Anyone also fear this may just get worse and worse and the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?

Has the dumbing down process has begun?

Also do you think eve needs a dumbing down?

What effect would it have on you if it would be?

I think my first "people are stupid" quote on a forum was back in 2001. And the situation is basically the same today.

But it would be too easy to just call other people stupid. In fact they are not, they have just been let down, and influenced by a ****** system that rewards inane things and triviality. People have in essence been blinded by greed, and greed has made our values and society worse.

And it is our fault. Me, you and the rest of us. We are at the helm now, and if we see stuff we do not like it is our fault.

That's true, not that i know what to do about it other then to raise my son and possible future children diffrent.

I really like your way of thinking but even you can't deny that the majority doesn'l think that way. I mean pointing fingers happens too fast (it's always someone else's fault). As i say it i'm doing it. I'm aware of it.

But i dunno voicing my opinion is perhaps a useless attempt to swing some things in another direction. At the minimum it's a start.

Games have been watered down because "easier" games have more appeal to the mass market than "harder" ones. For most developers, and by devs I mean those that work for people like EA and Activision, it's now all about how much money you can screw out of the consumer, initially for the game and then for the DLC that should have been part of the game in the first place. They've purposefully made the experience shallower with less challenge and rewards that are easier to obtain, so that people get bored, go out and purchase another game or the DLC, ad infinitum.

In short games that are hard to beat hold the players attention longer and thus are less profitable than constantly churning out pretty games with less challenge. It's all about profit and less about quality, much like every other industry in the world.

I prefer games that are a challenge, I'd much rather play the original MoH and Wolfenstein games, than any of the newer FPSs that are on the market today, despite the dated graphics, purely because they are a challenge to beat. The same goes for pretty much any game produced in the 80's, 90's and early 00's.

Posting in a gamer elitism thread.

maybe but you can not deny that the quality of single player games in terms of challenge and using your inteligence has gone down especially among the big game publishers