solo fleets

I thought the stabber fit linked about would be an interesting point of reference for the TE changes so I was just fiddling with it a little bit and the results are at the bottom. I think its likely that you will feel this effect (usually between a 5% and 15% Im guessing) at typical engagement ranges for kiting ships like the stabber or the talos - but it seems unlikely that the role of the ship will be compromised to an extent that they would be abandoned. More likely, there will just be some extra room for ships like armor harb or armor brutix to have a role.

The fundamental ability to engage large groups with small ones won't change at all. It may take slightly more time to wear down ships that you isolate, depending on relative ranges, and there may be slightly more flexibility for tackling frigs to be on grid for longer, but overall this change shouldn't shift the meta much.

[Stabber, kiter]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


BARRAGE 6.5% dps drop at 20k

3.51+37.2 with the old TE 187dps@20km

3.23+32 with new TE 175dps@20km

RF EMP - 18% dps drop at 20km

1.75+24.8 with old TE 170dps@20km

1.61+21.3 with new TE 140dps@20km

I understand the allure of hyperbole related to the death of the small gang versus the blob - but this change should definitely be considered in the context of a game where a gang with some standard cruisers and BCs with a couple skirmish links can engage at almost any ratio of friend to foe.

Its fun to engage outnumbered (I've heard), but expecting a few extremely strong mods to do a large portion of the work for you seems a bit over the top.

It also seems important to me that since speed isn't actually being effected here, fast moving skirmish engagements will likely look very similar except that during critical moments there will be a slightly higher tendency to commit. This could mean more vulnerability for the awesome small gang of nano pilots, or it could also mean that your prey now has to venture closer to actually apply dps.

I like writing posts but I'm not sure its doing any good

No no no - you don't get it, it's a very very very small adjustment that us plebs will hardly notice - its been said so 'honestly' by Mr. Panda leg , so it MUST be true, especially since all his acolytes are also repeating the same 'brilliant' math - its not about a ~15% nerf to applied dps of already sub-standard ships, noooooo it's about a very very very small adjustment in your range. PL says so, you're wrong, he's right ... Okie ?

See Mach and Cynabal - so stronk - nerf TEs!

*Sarcasm off*

You know that during 2/3 of eve history minmatar was known as "Play eve in the Hard mode"?

Why are TEs overpowered? What about them is broken?

TEs have been in their current form for so long that it's easy to forget exactly how much they provide for so few drawbacks. In their current form they give the same range bonuses as a range scripted Tracking Computer, while also giving a significant tracking bonus for free and requiring less CPU and no cap. Since falloff was added to tracking modules TEs have been dominant alongside short range weapons. The value of low slot TEs has been part of the reason for the dominance of shield tanks over armor tanks in small gang pvp over recent years. After these changes I'm confident that TEs will still be very useful and powerful modules.

Ever since, TE's have been steadily nefered into the ground because of it

torp changes/explosion radius changes plox