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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:18:00 -
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Alt posts are lame and get instantly flamed. Well, IĈm no alt so maybe this will get a little further. Besides, IĈm curious about the subject and the forums are kind of boring ATM.
When looking at the sovereignty map in-game, there is one remaining POS in Fountain claiming sovereignty that belongs to FA. One compared to other alliances who have half a dozen or many more.
Where is the FA government? I haven't seen TornSoul or any other "leader" (are there any others?) of the FA post for some time as to their opinion on the state of things. Have they conceded control of Fountain to BoB? Do they still claim to be fighting? Is there a huge "counter-attack" imminent??
Everyone I talk to, which is a lot of people from all over EVE, agree that the 'war' is pretty much over. More so than the Great Northern War, the BoB invasion of Fountain seems to be fast, furious and most importantly decisive.
This isn't about forum whorage either. FA kills / losses on various kill boards are very low most days. If there was still a fight going on, it would most likely show up there.
So, what do the current members of Fountain have to say about this? I know what BoB and the majority of EVE seems to think. What about those of you still wearing the Fountain Alliance tag? Where are you living right now?
I know this may turn into a flame fest, but some solid information might leak through as wellà  
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hahahahan00blars
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:24:00 -
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flame bait?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:29:00 -
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I don't have any cold hard facts to tell you, Seleene, but I suspect the many corporations who bailed from Fountain Alliance when the going got tough have some sort of unofficial pact going on and are simply playing a waiting game to build up strength (and perhaps let the spectre of FA die a little bit) before they return home.
I just find it difficult to believe FA capitulated so obviously and decisively.
Or maybe I've got too much time to think.
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:29:00 -
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Last time I was up in fountain, FA was still fighting alongside Imperium and Vertigo against the ebil BOB and Xelas.
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:30:00 -
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it might be hard to get a good answer when FA members arent allowed to post on this forum (i think). If they got some great plan i doubt they would say it before it happened.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:32:00 -
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 Originally by: hahahahan00blars
flame bait?
Why? Why does it have to instantly be flame bait? I'm asking questions that have pretty simple answers. Forgive me if I don't really give a damn about all of the political bull**** involved and am just curious due to a lack of real info. 
Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I suspect the many corporations who bailed from Fountain Alliance when the going got tough have some sort of unofficial pact going on and are simply playing a waiting game to build up strength (and perhaps let the spectre of FA die a little bit) before they return home.
I've considered this as well. Is it possible that FA are all building Dreads in secret and will strike back later on, completely destroying the evil Bob??
As for capitulation, I've seen none to speak of really, hence my curiosity on the subject. How long is J.F.'s map going to show Fountian as a 'war zone', ya know?
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Sionn Klorgh
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:34:00 -
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Whether their fighting on not is irrelevant really. Seleene has a point with the POS distribution. It is now possible to 'own' space. If someone else has sovereignty over fountain and can hold that sovereignty, FA has lost it. You can't wait out things anymore in eve.
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Anna Sheridan
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:36:00 -
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Most of bob members are busy with IMP, G, Iron... and neither Xelas nor Fountain have a public killboard, so it might look like the war is done. But if you look at the map, there's still quite a few ships destroyed in fountain every day.
Bob members won't speak a lot about it, because they want everyone to beleive that they killed FA.
FA won't, either, because if they did you'd have scores of bob/five members trampling themselves in their haste to restart the propaganda machine...
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:41:00 -
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I'll answer thruthfully, no propaganda this time.
Currently, fountain core is not really contested. There are some FA or ex-FA or IMP or neutral frigs about occasionally, and Aneu and his two accounts get an occasional kill in or around yz, but it's ntohing more then your average environment in a region that has NPC stations.
So, at this time, BoB and Xelas are in quite firm control of fountain core and everything to the south of it.
The part closer to outer ring is empty and mostly unused, while the d4ku area is used and mostly camped by a few remaining fountain corps. This affects BoB ops only slightly in that we sometimes simply choose the longer route to fountain core instead of going through d4ku.
Now, there are three things that can change this status quo.
First, FA rises again after rebuilding and comes to camp us in the core. We know that's not going to happen, because there's simply no way they can win such a war against us.
Second, IMP might step up their roaming and frigsquad activity together with rubra and dmgi and assorted fa corps.
This is possible, but not really worrysome either. They arent making a real effort yet, or are simply not able to better then now.
Thirdly, G comes back from defending their space and send some real opposition again. And again, not worrying, but fun. They couldnt push us out, but at least they bring some serious opposition that isn't swept aside so easily.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Sheridan
Most of bob members are busy with IMP, G, Iron... and neither Xelas nor Fountain have a public killboard, so it might look like the war is done. But if you look at the map, there's still quite a few ships destroyed in fountain every day.
Bob members won't speak a lot about it, because they want everyone to beleive that they killed FA.
FA won't, either, because if they did you'd have scores of bob/five members trampling themselves in their haste to restart the propaganda machine...
To be exact, less then 30% of bob pvp memebers are busy with imp/g/iron. And fountain is doing nothing that is remotely worrying or could count as contesting the area.
On a typical day from morning to night euro time, there will be about 8 FA frigs making an appearance in FA core at some point, doing very little but hiding and occasional killing another frig.
And no, that is not propaganda, but thats how it is.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.09.02 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Sheridan
FA won't, either, because if they did you'd have scores of bob/five members trampling themselves in their haste to restart the propaganda machine...
how'd we manage to get brought into this? we have plenty of membmers with experience of the parties involved.. but how would players personal opinions count as propaganda?
--thoth
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.09.02 10:05:00 -
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Well Fountain was more dead before the invasion too I heard.
Think thy will try to make a comeback next month
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empire nublette
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Posted - 2005.09.02 10:11:00 -
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fountain started dying the day that evolution made up a story about how fountain attacked them and then proceeded to occupy the core while every fa-member was ordered not to fire back.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.09.02 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 02/09/2005 10:19:01
Rod pretty much covers it all there but just to add in a little statistics (no flames, just facts...)
There are seven corps left in the FA IGA and 632 members (stats from the Eve-O alliance page).
This is what they have killed and lost to BoB in the last month (these figures don't include Xelas kills or losses).
FA TOTAL KILLS in all regions (ignoring shuttles, n00b ships and pods)
BS: 9 Ships
Support: 58 ships
FA TOTAL LOSSES in all regions (ignoring shuttles, n00b ships and pods)
BS: 29 Ships
Support: 163 Ships
During the last month there was only one fleet battle against FA members and that was led by ex-fa members ELA & DMGI and IMP members RUBRA. It wasn't even in Fountain but in Delve. Their fleet was destroyed.
Funnily enough, I asked one of our members to write up the FA war for our History Section only yesterday.
You can read that here but please refrain from commenting on it in the Eve forums. It was written as we saw the war:
FA war from the RKK History Section
dbp
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.09.02 10:21:00 -
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IMO FA died the moment they lost their buffer alliances (CFS, NORAD).
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The Ratfink
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Posted - 2005.09.02 10:27:00 -
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erm wasn't norad just replaced by you Imperium guys and were napped with FA? so in a way that buffer was still there
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ElectroSister4
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Posted - 2005.09.02 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
IMO FA died the moment they lost their buffer alliances (CFS, NORAD).
CFS ftw!!
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2005.09.02 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
I'll answer thruthfully, no propaganda this time.
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
there's simply no way they can win such a war against us.
IQ ?
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2005.09.02 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
I'll answer thruthfully, no propaganda this time.
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
there's simply no way they can win such a war against us.
IQ ?
/yawn
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DeGrand
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Posted - 2005.09.02 11:26:00 -
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Fountain is pretty much dead yes. Theres some hanging out in core still. But their position is hopeless imo. The guys hanging out in D4KU seem to do OK..but theyre not FA anymore anyway. The only thing that could bring back fountain is old member corps rejoining or a lot of new corps...frankly I don`t see either one happening.
We`ll still harass BoB/Xelas regardless tho.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.09.02 11:32:00 -
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Damn it Seleene, you cant just go disturb a dead mans grave
Anyway trolling aside, I think FA can only make a come-back in todays EVE-politics without the greed and arrogance of XAN and BIG. But without these 2 mega corps I doubt they will have enough financial and logistic power to support a campaign to liberate Fountain region for themselves.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.09.02 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
FA TOTAL KILLS in all regions (ignoring shuttles, n00b ships and pods)
BS: 9 Ships
Support: 58 ships
FA TOTAL LOSSES in all regions (ignoring shuttles, n00b ships and pods)
BS: 29 Ships
Support: 163 Ships
During the last month there was only one fleet battle against FA members and that was led by ex-fa members ELA & DMGI and IMP members RUBRA. This was in Delve not Fountain. Their fleet was destroyed.
tbh those results ain't so bad. FA are known to be an industrial alliance which lost most of it descent pvpers quite a long time ago. The war between FA and BoB has been lasting for months now and still they get some kills (which means they didn't give up).
BoB have recruited or NAP at least 70% of Eve top fighting pilots. FA can't simply expect to come around and wtfpwn BoB like this ^^
FA side is simply more challenging then BoB side.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.09.02 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: DeGrand
Fountain is pretty much dead yes. Theres some hanging out in core still. But their position is hopeless imo.
Doesn't your corp live in Stain?
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.09.02 12:05:00 -
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You missed the point of the stats, Elenia.
When an alliance fights, I would expect us to kill/lose that number in a few days... not a month.
dbp
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DeGrand
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Posted - 2005.09.02 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
Originally by: DeGrand
Fountain is pretty much dead yes. Theres some hanging out in core still. But their position is hopeless imo.
Doesn't your corp live in Stain?
I don`t see how that relates to this post..but yeah from time to time we go there.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2005.09.02 13:33:00 -
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I dare say that FA killed 2 or 3 times more xelas than bob on the last month...
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2005.09.02 13:36:00 -
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Foutain and there fanboi's seem more intent on trying to destroy our "industrial" base by sending people to camp around the NPC stations in delve killing role players than it does trying to reclaim its region. Much like it did when it had a region, and during the process of losing that region.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.09.02 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
I dare say that FA killed 2 or 3 times more xelas than bob on the last month...
Doubt it.
However, without a public killboard of Xelas or FA then no-one really has any idea what has been killed and lost so no point for supposition.
I could guess at a great many things in Eve but without facts they would invariably be incorrect.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
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Wrok
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Posted - 2005.09.02 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: DeGrand
Originally by: The Enslaver
Originally by: DeGrand
Fountain is pretty much dead yes. Theres some hanging out in core still. But their position is hopeless imo.
Doesn't your corp live in Stain?
I don`t see how that relates to this post..but yeah from time to time we go there.
NO YOU DONT GO THERE....YOU LIVE THERE.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.09.02 14:07:00 -
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Destruction is the art of creative change, those who adapt and overcome will become stronger for losing, than those who learn nothing by winning.
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