Ok lets see if you can answer a simple question

Do our votes have more or less power in the CSM election than they did last year?

honest it is an easy question.

Ok lets see if you can answer a simple question

Do our votes have more or less power in the CSM election than they did last year?

honest it is an easy question.

WTF does this have to do with the price or oranges ?

Whatever your opinion, how are you determining it ?

Ok lets see if you can answer a simple question

Do our votes have more or less power in the CSM election than they did last year?

honest it is an easy question.

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2013/03/prolific-ripard-versus-terrible-trebor.html



One worrying aspect about Trebor is that most of his ideas concerning EVE's future direction boil down to him arguing those suggestions in favour of CCP's bottom line. He claims to know how to grow CCP's business.

Yet, look at his own business ventures. He created the Wizardry line of video games thirty years ago. He stopped being involved by the fourth sequel, and Sir-Tech eventually went out of business. Later he developed the first anti-virus software for the Macintosh, the company was eventually sold in early days. Then he founded AnimEigo, the first company to license Japanese anime for the North American market. AnimEigo is his only company still in business, yet it was leap frogged by other more successful ventures into the market afterwards. First in the industry, last past the post. Trebor has a good track record in recognizing new markets, not much of one in capitalizing on those new markets. He has demonstrated no ability to adapt.

He certainly knows how to create a promising business. Yet, he's demonstrated no long-term growth or follow-through with those businesses. Every business has either folded, been sold-off, or has stagnated. Yet, much of his platform devolves into the argument that what he suggests would help CCP grow their company..

The quoted material above is quite impressive and I would be proud to accomplish as much in RL.

Apparently our new Quafe Yellow shirts dissolve in Pod Goo !

More. Empirically and absolutely.

Boy that WAS easy lol

EDIT: There's a reason Mittani is talking down participation and why Sort Dragon of the HBC brought up the idea of a "protest" by filling the council with 0.0 guys on Voices from the Void. Automating voter preference, allowing the CSM to elect the chair, and decoupling seats at the conference table from the size of your voting bloc all reduce the advantages 0.0 blocs have enjoyed since CSM1

So our votes now chose 10 people that go to Iceland?

No the reality is that while there are fewer wasted votes the votes them selves do a lot less than they used too.

Why do you feel popular vote from voters operating on limited information before the term begins is a better way to choose the Iceland delegates than the CSM and CCP making an informed decision after seeing who puts the work in?

Better to show the candidates who the players chose and the views they hold or the members who will work better as a tool for CCP.

It is all about perspective.

Isn't the entire CSM a tool for CCP? It exists to help CCP as a feedback tool. How exactly does one act as a tool for CCP against the interests of the players? CCP has a vested interest in making the players happy, being as we are paying customers. It's why they made the CSM in the first place..

Isn't the entire CSM a tool for CCP? It exists to help CCP as a feedback tool. How exactly does one act as a tool for CCP against the interests of the players? CCP has a vested interest in making the players happy, being as we are paying customers. It's why they made the CSM in the first place.

So how is it one can be 'a tool for CCP'? Can you provide an example of how one of these 'tools' would act compared to an example of how you feel a CSM member should act? I just don't see what one of these 'tools' would be or do or how it would benefit CCP.

You are aware you just said that in effect Unions are a tool for employers, you might want to ask a few employers if they believe that is true, or whether they feel they are a tool for the Employes instead, as the CSM used to be for us.

You are aware you just said that in effect Unions are a tool for employers, you might want to ask a few employers if they believe that is true, or whether they feel they are a tool for the Employes instead, as the CSM used to be for us.

No that actually is not what I said in any effect. I never brought up Unions or employers because they have absolutely nothing to do with CCP and the CSM. The CSM is not a union. It's not anywhere close to a Union. The two concepts are entirely different in purpose and execution. You are trying to compare two entirely different concepts that aren't even remotely related.

In a Union/Employer situation you have two different factions with mutually exclusive goals. The Company wants to maximize profits, which means reducing expenses, and employee wage and benefits are an expense, therefore the company's motivations are to give as little as possible. The Union on the other hand is there to represent the workers to get the highest wages and benefits possible.

The important key here is that the company and the union's goals are mutually exclusive and in opposition to each other.

That is not the case with the CSM. Both the CSM and CCP have a vested interest in CCP released the best possible product. They are two entities working together for the same goal, not two different entities working against each other to reach a compromise on two mutually exclusive goals.

I don't understand how you can feel one group is selling out to the other when they are both trying to achieve the same thing.