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Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 10:58:00 -
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Philpip wrote:Just get rid of plex LP, if you want to farm, farm missions.
Except you can't run missions in proper pvp fits, so this is a non-runner. The genius of FW plexes is that you're farming and waiting for pvp action at the same time. |
Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:15:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:
The genius is that 90% of people running these plexes are cloaky and stabbed and don-Št want pvp but simply crazy easy amounts of isk. With doing that they make people who really fight for the warzone feel like idiotic clowns.
So this is just a hurt feelings issue? I can understand your frustration since you've got both the Minmatar and the Gallente farmers in your plexes at the moment. I wouldn't mind personally if they disabled cloaks and warp stabs in plexes, but it'd still be trivial for a farmer to watch dscan and warp out as soon as something lands on grid. But I don't want to be pigeonholed into having to run missions to earn ISK, that's why I left highsec in the first place.
Plenty of fights are still happening, everything else just seems like sour grapes over people earning ISK. |
Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 11:21:00 -
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Apelacja wrote:yea smthing should be done in FW as long as the current mechanism support to much the wining site. however its hard to find a way where farmers and farming macroes wouldnt win. And u cant leave only pvp parts bcs one side can avoid it and then what?
How to force people to fight - it is a good question.
Plexing their staging system is a good start. People care about docking rights. I've got about 600m worth of ships in Nenn at the moment. If the IHub upgrades gave better economic benefits, this would matter even more.
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Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.29 19:04:00 -
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Templar Dane wrote:It'd be nice if the button structure locked you up and put an infinite point on you.
Just sayin'.
Which in practice would mean fleets going around killing any people foolishly trying to soloplex. Which would hurt the actual pvpers who put some ISK into their ships more than the farmers in a T1 frig with nothing but warp stabs and t1 guns.
Picking your fights is what Eve is all about. |
Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.30 11:14:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1527982 That is fw actually^^ This guy prolly conquered several systems alone^^
Ah yes. The vital Gallente staging system of Immuri. I live right next door, it gets farmed fairly regularly by both sides. Gives me something to do while waiting for a fleet to join.
Edit : Also note that this guy fits neither cloaks nor warp core stabs. So removing both is only a partial fix to the perceived problem. |
Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.31 10:33:00 -
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Grayson Cole wrote:Best fix IMHO is that you can only have 1 character in FW at any time. In addition, it has to be your main, the character with the most skill points. There should also be a fairly long lockout if you decide to drop from FW, perhaps a week.
This wouldn't eliminate 2nd (and 3rd, 4th, etc) accounts from being involved, but would be a serious blow to alts and LP farmers.
This is a terrible idea on multiple levels. -former carebears can't test the waters with a FW alt -if your highest SP character isn't a combat character, its even worse |
Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.31 22:02:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Quote:You mean like how they made it profitable? I mean how they made it farmville
If you got 236 kills in March in farmville, I'd hate to see how many you'd get if they fixed it. |
Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.01 10:17:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:
like the pure number of kills would matter. Nobody wants to fight pve ships, pve ships don't want to fight too, still they influence where you can dock and where not. Thats a conflict of interests. I would trade all those pve ships against a few pvp ships any time. but CCP probably looked at the statistics and said, hey FW is growing on popularity, and hey even the number of kills grows. But they don't look at the value of the killed ships or what the situation was as the fight happened. like a farmer who did not alt-tab to the right window fast enough. whats even more funny but a bit off topic: they did the same mistake again. The orbital bombardment destroyers are all pve ships with meta 1 guns + cloak. No mods or skills influence OB. So people simply use 0 risk ships with trial alts for that. Wait till they add some form of rewards and we are in the same situation.
Eh? Pure numbers matters a lot. None of the first 10 kills of his I checked were pve ship, so its logical to assume the same for the rest. And the vast majority of plex farming occurs in backwaters with no stations, precisely because few people care to defend them. If you're letting farmers flip your staging systems, you may be doing something wrong. If OB becomes important, they could just restrict it from trial accounts. But as with current plexing, no one will care about DUST matches fought in backwater systems. |
Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.01 18:17:00 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:Exploration is really total broken sh... 30minutes gaming. 4 unknown sigs scanned down in total. Every sig was a wormhole to a C5. Have given it up for today.
Seriously though, you will get dry spells now and then. And its not like if you made FW bunkers uncloak and infinipoint anyone who landed on them while personally sending a text message alert to every member of the opposing miltia with their ship type and fitting that they'd be full of targets. I suppose no targets would be less frustrating than targets that turn out to be false leads. But it'd also ruin things for people who use the LP to fund their pvp. |
Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.03 16:54:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Under the current mechanics pvpers can't dominate fw.
They can, you just need more of them under the current system. An average of 2 pvp pilots per contested system should suffice.
In essence it requires a large number of warm bodies spread over a very large area. Instead of nullsec Sov, which requires a large number of warm bodies shoved into a very small area... |
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Takseen
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.04 12:54:00 -
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Meditril wrote:
You should consider not to fly ships which are clearly OP if you want fights against farmers. Those guys are there to make ISK... so if they think they have no chance then they will run. Bring something which gives them at least the feeling of having a chance to survive. E.g. if they fly a Caracal and you come with a frigate then you have good chances they will engage you if they are not complete cowards. But Hookbill is currently the absolute king of the hill with regards to 1 vs. 1 frigate fights.
Glad its not just me that thinks Hookbills are really really strong. Double webs and rockets are a tough combo. But any faction frigate is just a "run away" signal when I was still flying Rifters on my alt. Faction frig usually means expensive fit, pilot with good skills, and maybe an OGB for good measure. Typically I'd engage and die before knocking more than a pinch of shields off.
On the flip side, remember that just because there's 3 WTs in the system doesn't mean they're in any way affiliated. I've been stung before because I was sitting in a plex with a militia ally. A hostile enters and I engage and die while the other guy cloaks or runs.
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