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Major Killz
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Posted - 2013.03.28 15:30:00 -
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So CCP Rise slowed down 2 battlecruisers and made them take longer to turn 
How much does CCP pay you?
I was really worried that CCP might NERF attack battlecruisers alot more. I guess we don't have much to worry about with CCP Rise on the job
- killz
EdAWT: Naga is z BEST. I would say armor Oracles would be about the same. Atleast in fleets. Otherwise, for solo I would say Talos and Oracle. |
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Posted - 2013.03.28 16:23:00 -
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Eshnala wrote:Tier3s need to be able to only fit their respective short-range versions of guns.
Nagas and Tornados are way to strong with rails/artys and can only be countered by a bigger fleet or a good warpin. And even with the later one they are often able to just burn out or warp because of their good agility/speed.
The big problem with tier3s is not their speed or tank, its their awesome damage projection (in combination with the speed ofc, as it helps to minimize transversal) up to very long ranges without beeing overly vulnerable to smaller/faster ships.
This proposed changes wont do anything to the big dominance of tier3s as fleetdoctrines for large entities but it will hurt the small skirmish pvp even more.
(Nagas/Nados will just fit sensor boosters or have them fitted anyways.)
Yes.
However Z changes to tracking enhancers should help with that, but not much. I think the hull damage bonuses should be nerfed. Or! Maybe 1 turret hard point should be removed v0v.
Long range turrets will still kick ass though.
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Posted - 2013.03.28 20:58:00 -
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Only the Tornado when using autocannons will be really effected. The Talos will lose something like 50 - 70 effective damage per second @ 28,000m.
I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I can destroy a single attack battlecruiser in ALOT of ships. Provided I'm able to catch said ship.
P much all Tier 1 battlecruisers are able to tank a single attack battlecruiser. My issues with them are when you engage more than one. That's difficult solo, but possible.
In small scale fleet versus fleet. Not an issue properly prepared. It's only when they scale they become a serious issue and then it's really only the Naga (60k EHP w shield warfare-links & very high resistence) and armor-Oracle.
One ship that really lames people is the artillery-Tornado. I don't like that ship when it's properly used. Infact, all it takes is 2 or 3 to alpha another attack battlecruiser.
My real issue with attack battlecruisers are heavy assault cruisers. Good luck with that CCP.
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Posted - 2013.03.29 07:56:00 -
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When the changes to the Prophecy was announced. Anyone with sense knew it was a armor-Drake. You just knew they would become as ubiquitous as Drakes.
Honestly, if a serious PVP entity does not have Prophecy's as a doctrine; then they better be rocking Drakes.
Funny. The Prophecy is more cost effective comparatively. So much so that its not even purchasing a armor cruiser over a Prophecy. The overall cost after fitting modules is too similar.
The Brutix is whatever. In fact, the prophecy is as good as a Mrymidon. Some have argued it is better and cost has something to do with it too. The only difference between the 2 ships is damage and defense. The Myrmidon does more damage but the Prophecy has better defense and I don't think the extra damage on the Myrm is even worth it.
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Posted - 2013.03.29 23:40:00 -
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Johnson Oramara wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:0wl wrote:Gah, still no Cruise Naga ... Disapointing. Peopel really come here with this kind of expectation? Wtf people? get a grasp of reality. Can someone actually explain why this would have been such an bad idea and wouldn't have worked with maybe less launcher slots?
Cruise and Siege missiles are pretty underwhelming in PVP. I was told they might have worked well in PVE but I dont know.
If the Naga was able to use missile. Then why not make the Talo a drone ship? In anycase. The Naga is one of the best vessels for fleet engagements. What more could a Caldari pilot ask for? |
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Posted - 2013.03.30 00:02:00 -
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Johnson Oramara wrote:Major Killz wrote:Johnson Oramara wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:0wl wrote:Gah, still no Cruise Naga ... Disapointing. Peopel really come here with this kind of expectation? Wtf people? get a grasp of reality. Can someone actually explain why this would have been such an bad idea and wouldn't have worked with maybe less launcher slots? Cruise and Siege missiles are pretty underwhelming in PVP. I was told they might have worked well in PVE but I dont know. If the Naga was able to use missile. Then why not make the Talo a drone ship? In anycase. The Naga is one of the best vessels for fleet engagements. What more could a Caldari pilot ask for? So because cruises and torpedoes are crap for pvp then instead of those getting fixed and made viable they just entirely ignore them and use another weapon system? I don't know, to me Talos and Naga are just a bit too similar in their roles... and now i guess i made someone angry...
Yes. And they are too similar.
Also I am angry. Did you take my cashews? I cant find them  |
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Posted - 2013.03.31 16:09:00 -
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You 2 lesbians should make out. I really wonder what that would look like
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Posted - 2013.04.01 12:12:00 -
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I may be wrong but im confident that TRACKING and projected damage contribute most to Talos success. Tracking on said vessel is noticeably superior to all attack battlecruisers. There were situations where I was not able to track certain vessels with the second most effective attack battlecruiser solo (Oracle). Even a Tornado has bad tracking comparatively.
Drones dont help much when a frigate disables you. In fact drones explode quickly.
In fact when I start engaging a large group of frigates I do at 50 - 70,000m when possible. Outside the locking range of most frigates and a good counter to engaging tracking disruptor and sensor dampener on said vessels.
The damage to non-signature radius bonused vessels is noticeable and frigates often pop.
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Posted - 2013.04.02 12:18:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:But a 1400 Nado doesn't track better than a Muninn with Tremor. Not by any stretch of the imagination.... I think you fundamentally misunderstand how the tracking formula works.
-Liang
Aye! Signature radius can be a negative or postive multiplier. Still. I understand his/her point and there was a qualifier (micro warp drive signature increase). I do believe this has become semantics but at the same time it may be helpful to those who do not understand basic combat mechanics.
Note: while some of these changes surprise me (tracking ehancer). All I care about is the changes to warfare-links. That could mean the difference between earning 12 or 9 billion and bringing every "solo" poser ingame back to reality.
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Posted - 2013.04.06 00:52:00 -
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Well when it comes to solo and small scale warfare. I would say the Dominix is the most effective and I would add 1 more Gallente, 1 Minmatar, and 1 Caldari battleship to that list.
When it comes to large scale engagements though. I would use a Rokh or Abaddon.
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