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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.03 04:20:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 03/09/2005 04:23:27
To any and all,
Today I recieved a quite a shock in my mail. This corporation sent me a letter and declared war on my currently new and unestablished corporation of rookies. Claiming to have a contract from a mysterious and undisclosed corp here is the letter i recieved(I won't mention the system or station but i will say it's in empire space and a security level of 0.6, it's not like we are intruding into someones sovereignty of 0.0 space ) :
 Originally by: Letter in evemail
2005.09.03 02:23:00
We have been contracted by a non-disclosed corporation to enforce the following demands:
+ Leaving the ***** IX - Moon 13 - ************ Office immediatly
+ Removing any deployable containers you might have in the area
+ payment of an economic compensation of 150.000.000 ISK
Failure to comply will result in war. It will continue untill demands are met, and/or the destruction of ULCC.
You have 24 hours to comply
GankYee Doodle
Contract Executor
So I investigated thier corpration before making contact. Currently at 5 associates with 1.5 years or more in piloting experience under thier belts, and thier corpration description stamped with :
Originally by: corprate description
To Deliver You From Evil And Greed : Allah Has Sent Us
Current Contracts : 1 Taking Contracts : ( Unilateral Caldari
Confederacy )
If anyone is able to assist us in this manner or even some advice, we would greatly appreciate it. Being a corp of only 27 members with an average piloting time of 2 weeks have no clue or idea how to handle this situation. Nor can we meet the demands financialy, but nor do we have the ability to defend against it. We have 22hrs till the war is on and i really do not want to come back to find our corporation dissolved by what appears to be a few extortionists. The corp being only 23 days old have no idea who or what would want a contract put out on our head and are basicly pleading for help in this event. |
Kiara Krestfall
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Posted - 2005.09.03 05:42:00 -
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5 Associates, as such, saying that you have more than 5 times as many members as they do?
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.03 05:51:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 03/09/2005 05:54:11
Aye that we do.... (out of character : all but 4 still on thier free trial) but most of them are inexperienced and only have a few weeks expierence as pilots under thier belts. Even if we all got together in force, I don't think we would stand a chance. I can only assume they are in Heavy Assaults and or Battleships. Us being in destroyers and haulers (aside from 4 combat fighters in low end cruisers) we wouldn't stand a chance.
My plee for help or even advice comes as we aren't even established. How can we step on toes just by opening an office? How is a corp to even get a foot hold if we can't even open an office in Empire Space without being threatened? Let alone 0.0 Everyone I have asked believes this is an attempt at extortion because we by no means, have any way to defend ourselves, nor pay this ridiculous amount of isk.
I named the corp (the title of the thread is the name of the merc corp) doesnt do much to search as it shows no previous past of wars or jobs.
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Kiara Krestfall
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Posted - 2005.09.03 05:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kiara Krestfall on 03/09/2005 05:56:16
For now, all I can say is that you have a few hours to set up Instas. If you truly want to stick it out in that system, get to know you're area, and do it quick.
The GalNet is usually quiet at this time of night, but give it awhile and someone else will at least post some advice.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.03 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 03/09/2005 07:38:59
Originally by: Kiara Krestfall
Edited by: Kiara Krestfall on 03/09/2005 05:57:53
Edited by: Kiara Krestfall on 03/09/2005 05:56:16
For now, all I can say is that you have a few hours to set up Instas. If you truly want to stick it out in that system, get to know you're area, and do it quick.
Ok so we decide not to stick it out in this system.. where do we go ? it's the bloody caldari state noob system... How much lower can we go? Where else are we supposed to *stick it out* if we can't even be in caldari empire space?
Originally by: Kiara Krestfall
It also might not be a bad idea to establish roles, who's good at what, and try to stick with it. Again, it's hard to say what to do since I don't know what it is you ultimately plan on doing, nor the composition of your enemy force.
Who's good at what? Establish roles? how can we be good at anything being only a couple weeks old as a corp and the general populous of its players being about the same. I myself am the 3rd oldest player in the corp at 4 weeks ! I'm still on my probationary pilots lisence as well.(trial period) We can all hop into merlin's and kestrals and gank the 2year + vets no problem....
(Out of character : We didnt provoke this in any way .. we don't ore thief, nor do we have any*****y members.. why would someone go to the extreme very well knowing we are a few weeks old demanding millions of isk and demanding our office be taken down in a nooby empire space area? I dont mind open pvp but come on 2 year old players griefing a 2 week old corp.....)
edit : for some reason the word c o c k y is bad
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Kiara Krestfall
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Posted - 2005.09.03 07:39:00 -
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Hey, I'm only offering friendly advice and trying to help. I'm not the one wardecing your corp. Cool your spacejets Cap'n Ahab.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.03 07:45:00 -
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I'm not dissing the advice, and im not heating my jets hehe.. but the advice you're giving is for a corp that has had at least some months experience and some time to develope even a little bit.. we have a like 2 weeks most of these guys dont even have caldari frigate passed lvl 3 lol.
So basicly the way it looks is these measily 5 griefers are going to destroy this core. I guess it was just never meant to be, it had a good membership count, too bad we dont have any skills to even defend ourselves.
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ekkertnafnlaust
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Posted - 2005.09.03 09:37:00 -
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the day is still young you just might get some1 that is ready to help you fight them so dont give up straight away
my advice:
what ever you do dont give them one lousy isk
hire mercs if you have isk for it (some of them might even do it for the kindness of their hearts  )
if you dont have that kind of isk try hirering 2-3 pvp characters for x amount per day to organise and lead you into battle
dont believe that skill points tell the hole story a crfuiser can take down a battleship and you do have the numbers in your favor
if you loose 50 noob ships and they loose a good cruiser then they are still loosing :)
my guess is that as soon as they see your not paying them and your not backing down (and even making them loose ships)they will not waste any more time on you and just find another corp to blackmail 
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.09.03 10:40:00 -
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((personally i think it is a complete lack of taste in nameing a corp associated with a real world hate movement. you'd think ccp would regulate that.))
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TheKiller8
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Posted - 2005.09.03 10:57:00 -
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These are obviously a bunch of jerks that want nothing but easy ganks. Alas this is all within the game mechanics so you'll have to deal with it. Here's a couple of things:
- You're all new players so you can't really lose anything.
- A bunch of cheap frigates can easily gank a bigger, and more expensive, ship
- Moving is probably not an option as they'll just use locator agents to track your new location
- If they're sicking a hostile force on you, simply run or log. Not giving them the pleasure of blowing up your noobs will discourage them
- For the duration of the war you may safely assume that empire is not safe, thus you should refrain from doing anything stupid like: flying anything AFK, hauling, roaming around in active systems like Jita, etc.
The more realistic option is this though: Disband and join a NPC corporation. Ask yourself, what good is a player corporation consisting out of a bunch of noobs? You're obviously not going to use any of the major corp benefits like POS deployment or joining an alliance. You should just disband and have your members join an unpopular NPC corp. Use a separate chat channel for communication and organize things from there.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2005.09.03 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: TheKiller8
The more realistic option is this though: Disband and join a NPC corporation. Ask yourself, what good is a player corporation consisting out of a bunch of noobs? You're obviously not going to use any of the major corp benefits like POS deployment or joining an alliance. You should just disband and have your members join an unpopular NPC corp. Use a separate chat channel for communication and organize things from there.
Agree...
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2005.09.03 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Pugwash on 03/09/2005 11:09:13
I will talk to AL-HIZBUL MUJAHIDEEN's CEO
If talking fails you will have assistance
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Kantar
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Posted - 2005.09.03 11:15:00 -
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I think is disgusting declear war on a newly form corp with ppl that want start playing EVE.
This could be one of the reason that put ppl off playing this game I think.
I dont belive this guys/girls never took a contract with some well establish corp bcose they wont be here today.
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Sitherus
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Posted - 2005.09.03 11:28:00 -
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Eve mail me, happy to go merc to help :D
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Dalilah
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Posted - 2005.09.03 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Dalilah on 03/09/2005 11:42:23
2 Vaugue
They can't fight against power enemies therefore must to choose casual weaken victim as your corp. I'm very distrust that they have real contract.
You have one way only to resolve this problem without fighting or hiring merc's: start new corporation then move all active members in new corp. If they'll declare war against new corp - start one more corp and move members in this corp. And do this until your enemies will start to feel drain of the money for their useless business. When they'll retract all wars you'll can return in current corp.
P.S. btw you have nice website 
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.03 12:01:00 -
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EVE mail me I would be happy to assist your young pilots.
I would also send CCP an email or something about thier corp name. I find people using terrorist group names in game rather offensive.
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Stradivarious
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Posted - 2005.09.03 12:57:00 -
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You have friends coming m8, nobody likes griefer corps, especially VC :p
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TIO 101
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Posted - 2005.09.03 17:39:00 -
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just give me names of their pilots.
TIO 101 - Dealing Justice
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.09.03 17:47:00 -
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Ill kill'em just for the name of thier corp.
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Rola Ron
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Posted - 2005.09.03 19:06:00 -
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CEO is Dirty Looks.
We know of Gankyee Doodle, we have yet to find the other pilot names.
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Dirty Looks
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Posted - 2005.09.03 19:18:00 -
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Alrighty .
I dont really care how anyone feels about the war... but for the various ignoramuses who know nothing beyond what exists in the western world a little clarification.
Al-Hizbul Mujahideen means "Undead Warriors purified by the waters of Hizbul"
Thats all. Now if various real world terrorist groups chose to use the name its not my problem.
Just like if some extremist group starts calling themselves "I.R.O.N" or "Vengeance of the Fallen" theres not much that could be done about it.
So dont get your panties in a bunch. Other than that .. do what you like.
Love you all.
Bye.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.03 19:23:00 -
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Another thing that's looks extremely suspicious is the fact that we have yet to see gankyee and dirty on at the sametime.. it's always one or the other, nor have we been able to figure out the other 3 supposed pilots in this core. It smells like pure extortion and we're the target bnecause we're new and supposedly scared easy.
Not sure how assistance works in this game.. We heard alliances are pretty pricey and way out of our league right now, and we can't ask you to just declare war on them as we found out that costs you money as well. I think we will just stick through this and see if they are for real, because right now it doesnt look like it, and if we find out the hard way its like you said, we are new without much to lose yet.
As for the one guy who said what do we have to gain out of a core of rookies. We have a pretty tight nit group here of 27 people, and growing daily. We have pretty much gotten to know each other since day one so it's a plus to have even closer friends than just random ramblings from the rookie cores you start in. We are learning each others play styles early and learning to play as a team together early. There is many other thing's i can come up with, and i think most in my core would agree that they are much better off in ULCC than they were in the starter cores.
[ULCC] CEO
Vaugue
Serving the State
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Orrimark Firrohn
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Posted - 2005.09.03 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Looks
Al-Hizbul Mujahideen means "Undead Warriors purified by the waters of Hizbul"
Thats all. Now if various real world terrorist groups chose to use the name its not my problem.
Just like if some extremist group starts calling themselves "I.R.O.N" or "Vengeance of the Fallen" theres not much that could be done about it.
That's bull and you know it.
Heck. I'm going to start a corp. I'm going to name it Ku Klux Corp. Any resemblance to an organization of pea-brained in-bred hicks is pure coincidence.
You sir, are a chicken**** and NO YOU CAN'T HAVE OUR LUNCH MONEY.
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fifthforce
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Posted - 2005.09.03 20:16:00 -
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You want to clarify your name? You sick pup? Why then does your corp info brag about killing for Allah?
Ridiculous! You are a complete liar and hypoocrite. You don't even have the courage to stand by your own sick jokes.
Of course the fact that real people die in the real world under such slogans doesn't even occur to you. Nah you just wanna pick on a little corp because you are a *little* boy, and since you have no sense of actual real world decency, you decide to make your badness cool on the very real suffering of others. It's too bad you don't have to face the real world. You might learn some respect.
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.09.03 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Looks
Alrighty .
I dont really care how anyone feels about the war... but for the various ignoramuses who know nothing beyond what exists in the western world a little clarification.
Al-Hizbul Mujahideen means "Undead Warriors purified by the waters of Hizbul"
Thats all. Now if various real world terrorist groups chose to use the name its not my problem.
Just like if some extremist group starts calling themselves "I.R.O.N" or "Vengeance of the Fallen" theres not much that could be done about it.
So dont get your panties in a bunch. Other than that .. do what you like.
Love you all.
Bye.
Actually, in Arabic, the prefix "al" is the definite article in the word, consequently from where the spanish "el" comes from in version terminologies (alcatifa (carpet) is from the Arabic alqatifah, almohad (pillow) comes from almokhaddah, etc.). The word Hizbul refers to to Quaranic verses Q6:159 and Q30:31~32, in which the words 'shi'ya'an', 'shi'atihi' or 'hizbul' are used, which translates to 'groups', 'sects' or 'party', respectively. Finally, mujahideen literally translates from Arabic as the word "struggler;" only recently has it become associated more with the "holy warrior" definition, to which it can also sometimes be translated.
So basically, what you're saying, is that your corp is named The Struggler Party? Because of course, since we're all Westerners and are without any Arabic-related knowledge, you would know that it reads from right to left. In any event, the translated name seems fitting for the ass-handing VC is going to lay on you.
thelung187 for teh international relations pwnage.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
hired goon
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Posted - 2005.09.03 21:49:00 -
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I agree that the most effective solution is the tried and tested practice of leaving the corp and joining an NPC one for the war duration. Other options include, merging your corp into mine where you will be safe and trained, or convoing me ingame to help dispense justice a bit.
Anyone know if I can gang with them and shoot at their war enemies legally? Or is it as I suspect - they can shoot me but not I them?
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Skidd Chung
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Posted - 2005.09.03 21:59:00 -
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Hey Vaugue,
I'm glad to see you're standing up to this lamer, I'm in no combat position to help your corp, but if you need location services, neutral scouting of your area of operations and some isk to help your struggle, I'm there dude. Hate to see a young corp where you try to reach out to other players be harrassed by a group of cowardly losers picking on newbie corps.
regards and safe travels,
skidd
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Dirty Looks
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Posted - 2005.09.03 22:21:00 -
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thelung187
your translation is in error.
Different dialects of arabic carry different meaning for the same word...
Just like the word f.a.g has 2 different meanings on 2 different sides of the atlantic.
Hizbul is a small village of ancient reference that existed in Lebanon. Al-Hizbul means "of hizbul"
Mujahideen means Holy warriors who have surrendered their fate to god and therefore do not fear death. Simple as that. Hizbul of the Quraniz versus that you pulled from some internet search has no meaning here.
I am Lebanese and know what am talking about . So quit being lame on the internet .
IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT AM DOING DECLARE WAR. Quit googling up definitions.
This is my last response to this thread. Any other lamers. feel free to war dec :)
C u in game.
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.09.03 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Looks
thelung187
your translation is in error.
Different dialects of arabic carry different meaning for the same word...
Just like the word f.a.g has 2 different meanings on 2 different sides of the atlantic.
Hizbul is a small village of ancient reference that existed in Lebanon. Al-Hizbul means "of hizbul"
Mujahideen means Holy warriors who have surrendered their fate to god and therefore do not fear death. Simple as that. Hizbul of the Quraniz versus that you pulled from some internet search has no meaning here.
I am Lebanese and know what am talking about . So quit being lame on the internet .
IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT AM DOING DECLARE WAR. Quit googling up definitions.
This is my last response to this thread. Any other lamers. feel free to war dec :)
C u in game.
In your example, you would fall under the "American" definition. Simply because I have a different definition than yours doesn't mean I'm wrong. It just means you're closed minded. Don't be a tool anymore than you already are, I'll put you down like Old Yeller.
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or something |
Sitherus
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Posted - 2005.09.03 22:53:00 -
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Dirty is correct it has less to do with the name of the corp and more about making him pay for extortionery tactics :D
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.03 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 03/09/2005 23:08:19
I never once pointed to the name myself. The reason I'm asking for help is even if all 20 some of us got in frigs i don't think we could stand up to 5 elite HAC's and whatever else they may be flying. 80% of our core is rookie miners. How we have become a rival to another corporation in little under 3 weeks is beyond me, and flattering. Never the less war is declared and we merely asked for assistance as we are defensless.
The idea of contracting our destruction because we opened an office in a particular system in "Empire Space" boggles me. We have violated no sovereignty, nor stepped on toes. (unless setting standing to a core with ore thieves in it is stepping on toes) I have requested now 3 times to speak to the contractor even annonymously but to no evail conviently. Dirty claims the corp with the contract has no interest in speaking and only our destruction. I guess mining in Itamo and maurasi has really ****ed someone off.....
His final email to me was
Originally by: evemail
2005.09.03 22:38:00
My contractor does not wish to speak with you . Simple as that .
Just have fun dying. And any loosers you can get on your side will die as well. C ya later kid.
*****ing on the forums will do you no good, time to taste death
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2005.09.03 23:18:00 -
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*By looking at Dirty Looks employment history, you can see what a dirt bag he is. Props to VC for dispensing some justice on this piece of scum. To extort ppl for a measly 150M is actually quite funny.
The above is obvously IC statement(s) and should be treated as such
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.03 23:42:00 -
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Vince,
Sorry for the silly rookie question, not 100% sure on all the abreviations people use yet but what's VC and IC hehe?
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Kiara Krestfall
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Posted - 2005.09.04 00:09:00 -
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My Opinion. Don't run, don't join a newbie/NPC corp. you've got a few corps here who have expressed they're willing to stand with you. So stand, and make the extortionists BLEED ISK. 27 newbies can cost 5 self-styled gankers a whole lot of ISK if they play thier cards right, especially with the help of the people who have offered help here.
<x----->(-)<-----x><x---->(-)<----x>
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Octavium
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Posted - 2005.09.04 00:55:00 -
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BUCK will be declaring war on Al-Hizbulacrappawhatevereen. You may play in the name of Allah, but we're going to kick your ass in the name of decency.
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Lone Bear
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Posted - 2005.09.04 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lone Bear on 04/09/2005 01:35:13
Originally by: Vince Draken
*By looking at Dirty Looks employment history, you can see what a dirt bag he is. Props to VC for dispensing some justice on this piece of scum. To extort ppl for a measly 150M is actually quite funny.
The above is obvously IC statement(s) and should be treated as such
If ya wanna judge his comportment you can do it but who are ya??  . Refrain suggestions about his employment, DL was a corp mate and still is. From what you said I understand that you mean his last corp, who s the one i m part of, is a "dirt bag breeder". So be clever and think about what you say lil black riding hood. Posts are easy to write  .
And for the one talking about "how a such name is used": the "terrorist" group name is: Hizbul Mujahedeen. So different name. Anyway not the place to debate about political straight actions. BTW: Al-Hizbul is also used to designate two prayers books: Al-Hizbul Azam and Al-Hizbul Behr.
And if you wanna do it right, you should think about the fact a compagny uses races and societies based on extremist religion and slavery, another on a corrupted democraty, a 3rd on pure capitalism, and a 4th based on tribal rites and an attempt to free from slavery, need a picture?
So using such a name is a shame...
This forum section is a role play section, 1st poster was seeking help against a merc corp. Wanna help, help him. But dont cross some borders ^^
Anyway, one time or another he will have to face a war against more experienced players so the sooner the better. I experienced a war against SOTG while I was 3 weeks old, I m still here (Hello Xoria, hello Freeman, hope you re fine mates :) ) so with this, they gonna loose ships and pods but they will learn; that s what s important.
Edit: to make things clear: This post is and has no bearing on Imperium's views nor SolidLine's views! It is only my viewpoint and should not be taken as anything said by my alliance or corp
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Abriana Overlord
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Posted - 2005.09.04 01:57:00 -
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this is just bloody disgusting. Nice one VC for stepping in to wtfpwn these ****s.
Let me know what their char names are and where they hang out I would be keen to arrange them some surprises.
Picking on noobs is just plain wrong
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.04 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Looks
Alrighty .
I dont really care how anyone feels about the war... but for the various ignoramuses who know nothing beyond what exists in the western world a little clarification.
Al-Hizbul Mujahideen means "Undead Warriors purified by the waters of Hizbul"
Thats all. Now if various real world terrorist groups chose to use the name its not my problem.
Just like if some extremist group starts calling themselves "I.R.O.N" or "Vengeance of the Fallen" theres not much that could be done about it.
So dont get your panties in a bunch. Other than that .. do what you like.
Love you all.
Bye.
I will. Your frozen corpse shall adorn my Raven's bow. You grief people with your name, you grief people with your play, and now you will pay.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2005.09.04 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 04/09/2005 04:12:39
If you play it IC, then a name shouldnt be a problem, if you do it to promote something RL, then it is against the EULA......
Anyway, whatever the mercs reason to war dec, and why they are doing it against a new corp, doesnt matter at all, maybe they are in a system, that someone wants to control, one way or another.
My advise is ride it out, have fun with it, if your new, you will be able to learn a trick or two, and you will only loose basic equipment.
It seems you will also have a few players to help you out.
Before long your hooked on PvP, and there is no way back
Dont pay them anything, you have nothing to loose, be smart, make bookmarks, keep them in your adressbook, so you know when they are in local, or logs on and off.
Dont back down, you may get blown up many times, and be podded from yulai to pator, but someday you will get one of their expensive ships, and you will have something to laugh and talk about in C-Chat 
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.04 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich
Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 04/09/2005 04:12:39
Anyway, whatever the mercs reason to war dec, and why they are doing it against a new corp, doesnt matter at all, maybe they are in a system, that someone wants to control, one way or another.
If openning an office in Empire Space is stepping on toes then we are guilty on all accounts. The right for new corpse to rise and fall is always there but we will not fall, and we are ready to fight with what we got. We have raised what fleet we can and will attempt to fight .. we never did intend to back down and give up our lunch money, as meager as it is we earned it and have stepped on no toes in our view, and mark it we will fight even if we go broke doing it.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.04 07:14:00 -
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I'll pay for 20 kessies that you can go out and blow up.
Send me a quote in an evemail.
On the bright side, you are new, dont have much to lose and get to have some fun. If others pitch in with a bit of stuff you could have a LOT of fun.
Have a chat with someone who pvp's regularly. Theres lots of little tips that can improve your survivability. Some dirty and some clean.
GL
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.09.04 07:20:00 -
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Woo, I should probably throw in my two cents and go into newbie helping mode before Karma comes to molest me. So here goes.. I'm about 98% sure this isn't a mercenary contract. Its just a random war for kicks and/or extortion. I've done enough of both merc and extortion stuff to know. Most people have to go through this at some point. It doesn't matter though, welcome to EVE..
If you want my advice, its to stay, fight, and win. You literally have nothing to lose and everything to gain. The monetary loss in the entire course of this war they'll be lucky to inflict even 10mil if you stick to tech 1. Thats what I spend per week just buying ammo. You're going to be introduced to pvp one way or another, a 5 member corp who is going to come to you is a good opportunity to learn a thing or two. You know who to expect and where.. when you enter low sec you're probably more likely to get ganked out of nowhere with little hope of retribution. It can be a morale and teamwork bolstering experience (which matters a lot in the long run if you want your corp to be successful), or you can wallow in your own ineptitude and eventually disband. In EVE you either adapt and evolve or you die, its that simple.. lucky for you, the only real requirement to winning is willpower.
I say use tech 1 ships and tech 1 market mods, insure fully, always have a clone set and stick to frigs/destroyers. Put a stack of warp disruptors, webbers, ecm, and ammo in a hangar where everyone can view. Have the CEO and directors hand things out to other members. It also looks like you've got some people willing to help out, even small donations can be used to replenish forever. You can even corp insure the ships to make sure the isk goes back to corp wallet when someone dies.
They won't come after you with battleships or HAC because those are way too slow to catch anything small, and way too much overkill. You'll probably see interceptors and AF.. Inties go down like a sack of crap to pretty much anything if you pin it (scramble, double web) and jam it. If you can nail even one it makes up for a hundred frig losses, economically.. then you just rub it in their faces.
Its pretty bad to get ganked, but its even worse to get nub-ganked.. I'm not endorsing smacktalk, but if I were in your situation I would run my mouth and make them feel pretty damn bad. No morale or willpower means no war. Typically wars like this are just for cheap ganks and cheap thrills, in the long term frustration will set in. I'm not going to help you out with the combat, because its a waste of time for me and anyone else to help you.. but if you need advice in the smacktalk department, I'm pretty good
Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
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Posted - 2005.09.04 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 04/09/2005 09:15:55
hehe well I don't think smack talk will get us very far. but i think a missile in thier*****pit will ;)
and i guess this thread got moved.. I tried to stay in character for the most part. appologies if it wasn't enough.
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Russo
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Posted - 2005.09.04 09:19:00 -
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Move out to the providence region with my alliance. Contact me in game. You can work and grow with us, and we will easily annihilate these morons if they decide to pursue.
I hope they try to pursue :)
Russo - CEO Amarria Auxilia
XL pod for an XL personality
'Russo, what exactly do you feed your ego to keep it that big?.'
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ASIV TRE
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Posted - 2005.09.04 10:09:00 -
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Sounds like another bunch of these so claimed mercs, that declare war on rookie players just to get easy ganks.
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2005.09.04 11:05:00 -
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I agree with a lot of the posts here - this doesn't sound like a proper mercenary contract at all, and more in line with piracy/extortion. A professional mercenary outfit will usually charge upwards of 100 million per week on a contract, what would one hope to gain paying that much to eliminate a corporation of rookies? Not much that's for sure.
As already mentioned, this is a fantastic opportunity for you guys to dip into the more explosive side of the game. Five guys might sound nasty if they roam as a group, but it's more than likely that they'll come at you two to three at a time, so have some fun. Load up some cheap frigates with as much firepower as you can and have a blast learning and refining squad tactics.
It doesn't matter if you're an industrial corporation; just enjoy the element of PvP in EVE. Even if you take scores of losses, it won't come anywhere near the 150 million isk they're asking for.
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2005.09.04 12:20:00 -
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I think it's cool that people from all over rush to help the new guys.However,i don't like some people's comments about the "bad guys'" corp name.
Living in Greece,i have a much different opinion than the rest of the western world has for the people of the middle east. I live in a western-block country,which however is very close to these parts of the world and gets a regular influx of refugees from there. Seeing both sides of the coin helps me to appreciate the fact that what means something bad for us may have had a totally different meaning in the first place (like the sciptures this guy is mentioning).
Hey,let's not even forget that the name of the mujahideen was glorified by the west itself,when they were on the same side fighting the afghanistan-soviet union war. I mean,mujahideen were cool when we could send them to fight our wars,but they're bad as of late?
Keep it in the game people,enjoy the fights and leave the RL stuff out of it 
Petitioning them for the name entitles any german player to petition any US player for having,let's say, an Eisenhower quote in their bio.Or a french guy can petition a german for having an Erwin Romel quote in his bio.And when the asian market opens up,all the neighbours of China who have bad relations with them,will petition every player with a Sun Tzu saying in their forum sig,cause he was an evil chinese general who made them suffer.Get the drift?
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Haitchi Allamut
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Posted - 2005.09.04 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am
I think it's cool that people from all over rush to help the new guys.However,i don't like some people's comments about the "bad guys'" corp name.
Living in Greece,i have a much different opinion than the rest of the western world has for the people of the middle east. I live in a western-block country,which however is very close to these parts of the world and gets a regular influx of refugees from there. Seeing both sides of the coin helps me to appreciate the fact that what means something bad for us may have had a totally different meaning in the first place (like the sciptures this guy is mentioning).
Hey,let's not even forget that the name of the mujahideen was glorified by the west itself,when they were on the same side fighting the afghanistan-soviet union war. I mean,mujahideen were cool when we could send them to fight our wars,but they're bad as of late?
Keep it in the game people,enjoy the fights and leave the RL stuff out of it
Petitioning them for the name entitles any german player to petition any US player for having,let's say, an Eisenhower quote in their bio.Or a french guy can petition a german for having an Erwin Romel quote in his bio.And when the asian market opens up,all the neighbours of China who have bad relations with them,will petition every player with a Sun Tzu saying in their forum sig,cause he was an evil chinese general who made them suffer.Get the drift?
I agree, evil is very hard to define, and these forums are hardly the right scene to even begin to try.
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.09.04 13:48:00 -
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This is thier corp descrition
Quote:
To Deliver You From Evil And Greed.. Allah Has Sent Us Current
Contracts : 1 Taking Contracts : (dormant)
If they are supposedly doing this IC then who is this Allah they speak of that is sending them somewhere? Is he thier travel agent?
With your name, mantra, and mode of operation you really need to stop insulting my intelligence.
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Iasus
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Posted - 2005.09.04 13:50:00 -
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Vaugue - whenever you need it, you have my support. If I see these so-called "Warriors" in low sec or in 0.0, I will KoS. No true warrior attacks those who cannot defend themselves, whether he is paid or not. I will not accept that there is honour in whoring oneself to fight for money.
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Posted - 2005.09.04 14:19:00 -
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Ive been in the EXACT same situation your in. Except worse possibly because we were facing about 7 people vs our 11 people. We won because we had 3 friends join who had equal experience as them and because of superior fleet tactics. Just have a few good friends join you and wipe these guys out.
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Firstname Lastname
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Posted - 2005.09.04 14:57:00 -
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we have this kestrel
death to america
allah is great
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Damar Stiehl
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Posted - 2005.09.04 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Stiehl on 04/09/2005 15:17:26
whoooo, forum is getting political and stuff.
I am watching this conflict 'cos it may get interesting heheh...
we even got suicide kestrel pilots coming up...
personally kinda sickening I find these remarks....
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Coug
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Posted - 2005.09.04 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vaugue
Vince,
Sorry for the silly rookie question, not 100% sure on all the abreviations people use yet but what's VC and IC hehe?
VC = Vertigo Coalition (The alliance that DMGI and RUBRA make up)
IC = In Character (this thread was originally posted in a Role Playing Forum, but is no longer)
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Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2005.09.04 15:37:00 -
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Corp names mean nothing to Rubra and as CCP apear to have changed their name anyway I think the subject should be laid to rest.
Rubra will be at war with 'EVE Corp 3598672' in 24 hours
I have flown with Dirty Looks against common enemy in the past and would prefer not to fight against him now. Get in touch Dirty lets atleast try to settle this peacefully.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.09.04 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
EVE Corp 3598672
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Proud member of the [23].
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.09.04 17:03:00 -
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all things aside, Gankee Doodle is a ******* awesome name.
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2005.09.04 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kage Getsu on 04/09/2005 17:27:26
Most of the time, when people claim they are hired AND demand money, it's just extortion. I know, I've used that lie a few times before.
How active is your corp? You could probably do pretty well against them if you swarmed them with a group of 20 Kestrels, even after the missile changes. It would also help if you can get a couple of friends in battleships to help hasten the sinking of bigger targets.
Edit: Bah, that's what I get for reading only half the thread. I didn't think the situation would have bee nresolved that quickly.
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Till Dawn
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Posted - 2005.09.04 17:28:00 -
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Hi,
im sorry to hear that they do it to other noob corps too.
It had the same bad feeling about it a few weeks ago as they
declared war to the noob corp i was a member of.
We tried hide and run tactics but nobody in our corp had pvp experience so in the end, and after a few losses, we decided to close down all corp business and join a npc corp.
Wish you luck.
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Stradivarious
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Posted - 2005.09.04 17:52:00 -
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2005.09.04 17:47:00
Damage Industries has declared war on EVE Corp 3598672. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. You have just declared war on EVE Corp 3598672, which will become active in 24 hours.
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Posted - 2005.09.04 20:54:00 -
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I mailed you Mr Vaugue.
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StokolaN
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Posted - 2005.09.04 21:31:00 -
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It seems as though the biggest problem a lot of you have is that they are only asking for 150m. I am curious why that matters in any way, either you agree with Al-Hizbul's tactics or you don't and I don't see the merit in bickering about how much (or how little) they are trying to extort from their prey. As far as I know a corp of people who average two weeks in character age would not have 150mil between the lot of them anyway, so perhaps in asking for such an amount they are just being intelligent rather than whatever names you folks have for them.
To all of you getting excited that they are picking on targets that seem obviously weaker, you have your work cut out for you if you have taken it upon yourself to rid Eve of that tactic. In fact, I'm sure that many of you have first hand experience with this sort of thing when you refuse to engage in equal fights but rather would try to outblob your enemies. Based on my pvp experience I can say that most of you are guilty of only engaging in battles where you believe your odds are significantly greater than your foe's. That's just how most of the Eve community likes to fight and that's what Al-Hizbul is doing here. Either get over it or war dec them and shut up if you feel so strongly about it. Then you can prove my point for me as you engage their 5 ship group with your own 10 ship blob. You might say that's not the same as extortion, which would be correct, but what I'm saying is that it uses the same "targeting the weaker" tactic that Al-Hizbul is using to make their isk.
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Posted - 2005.09.04 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Demadred on 04/09/2005 21:51:51
Originally by: Ly'sol
((personally i think it is a complete lack of taste in nameing a corp associated with a real world hate movement. you'd think ccp would regulate that.))
I was thinking the same here.
When seeing that name i got a bad feeling about it,i didn't expect to see such a name in eve.
I really hope names like those will be banned,because there's already enough war going on in the real world and using such a name is like taking that war in this game.
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Brisi
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Posted - 2005.09.04 21:54:00 -
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I have to agree with DC. Go out, guns blazing, all in tech I frigs with tech I mods, and just have fun! Don't be scared to fight and lose frigs, it's what this game is all about.
And just for the hell of it, I will donate 10m to your war. That should buy you some frigs + mods.
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Capsicum
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Posted - 2005.09.04 22:00:00 -
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The choice of name is now between the Corp and the GMs , please let that particular matter lie on the forums.
Discussing it here, won't make a difference and it's against the forum rules to get into politics, as they are an emotive subject for everyone.
M'Kay ? Right :) Back to your regular programme ...
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Dragos Zarbatis
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Posted - 2005.09.04 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dragos Zarbatis on 04/09/2005 23:15:35
Originally by: Dirty Looks
thelung187
your translation is in error.
Different dialects of arabic carry different meaning for the same word...
Just like the word f.a.g has 2 different meanings on 2 different sides of the atlantic.
Hizbul is a small village of ancient reference that existed in Lebanon. Al-Hizbul means "of hizbul"
Mujahideen means Holy warriors who have surrendered their fate to god and therefore do not fear death. Simple as that. Hizbul of the Quraniz versus that you pulled from some internet search has no meaning here.
I am Lebanese and know what am talking about . So quit being lame on the internet .
IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT AM DOING DECLARE WAR. Quit googling up definitions.
This is my last response to this thread. Any other lamers. feel free to war dec :)
C u in game.
I have a funny feeling you play another game, and use the name Vrool... you act just like him, same ethnic background..etc.
Regardless, warring a new corp just asks for problems, because few people, even those who RP 'evil' or 'bad' chars, like the idea of someone driving off players and possible future prey.
I've only been around about as long as most of that newb corp, so I can't really offer you help, but I can tell you from what I've seen of some fights, a dozen kestrels, or similiar ships, all letting loose a missile rain at the same time, can hurt like crazy. Even with hardeners reducing dmg to say, 10-20 dmg a missile(or 70-80 if you're smart and fire a few em missiles first to drop shields), it adds up when you take that dmg 50+ times per wave.
And if you could afford and/or pilot missile cruisers like caracals and use heavy missiles (or even just stick to assult launchers), then ouch for the target. 10 ships with 4 launchers, all fire 2 em warheads(which would drop most shields), then 2x explosive or kinetic equals a dead/crippled cruiser.
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GankYee Doodle
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Posted - 2005.09.04 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: GankYee Doodle on 04/09/2005 23:47:05
Edited by: GankYee Doodle on 04/09/2005 23:35:17
Originally by: DrunkenOne
all things aside, Gankee Doodle is a ******* awesome name.
Thx.
Since I'm a 'director' (ooooh) you could call this 'statement' 'official'
2nd, I'm not a forum*****, so I didn't even have a clue about the fuss we caused, untill I heard some rumours to check out the forum. I think I've only used the forum about 10 times in almost 1.5 years.
3rd of all, CCP changed the corpname already. Which is a shame tbh, as it just means "undead warriors who have surrendered their soul". (liberally translated I guess, I'm no linguist)
Dirty Looks might have gone over the line with the corp description, and I told him before to change it, put something more descripting of the line of work we do or whatever.
Heck, I'm just playing a game, and DL figured a shocking name is what he needed to play the game.
I hereby APOLOGISE for any missunderstandings about the corpname and any real life grief that it might have caused.
But I also ask CCP our corpname back, as though shocking as it may seem at first glance, it is not. Political Correctness is something that should not be pushed too far neither.
4th, I'm honoured that we have been war decced by both Rubbra and DMG. Its good to know they have nothing else to do. (just kidding)
5th, As a true merc, I still can't disclose ANY information about our employer or what their goals might be, unless they should want us to.
6th, (And I'm going to go disclose info I probably shouldn't) We too have newer players that are just getting into pvp. By taking on 'simple' (LMAO) contracts at first, we'd get them some much needed XP. Funny how the dice roll sometimes =).
Greetz
GankYee Doodle
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Vanamonde
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Posted - 2005.09.05 00:32:00 -
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Freyus Dreborne
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Posted - 2005.09.05 01:17:00 -
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Wow im amazed to see this thread come up. Dirty and his crew did the same thing to my corp. Although i was not CEO at the time, i have heard plenty. Requested 150 Mil to end the war dec. Which we promptly refused.
"First week wasnt too bad on us. We spent it learning how to war, seeing as we were also a new corp. After that first week, we started to bring the war to them. They did not like this at all. Towards the end it was tough to find them logged on.
After rougly 3 weeks, they maild us saying that the war could no longer be sustained. The reason? Their guys were going on vacation. We rejoiced and looked forward to peace once again".
Basically, our corp brought the war to them and they did not like it. Basically bring the war to them, and they'll stop. Definatly dont pay them their isk.
Freyus
CEO Phantom Brigade Inc.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.05 02:44:00 -
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My issue was never with the name. Never pointed at it once. Obviously it seemed to draw more attension than the fact we are being extorted. I recieved many eve mails saying we should petition the name. I strongly advised my core not to as it was a cowardly tactic to try get out of this war.
I myself am welcoming this war. It gives us an oportunity early to see what it's like to deal with the stress, and excitment of being a possible target anywhere we go. As it is obviously we are not thier first job in pulling this extortion , we are running into the same problem as the previous core has described. They log on for 10-15mins.. gank a lone trader or miner then log off. We assembled our force in under 10 mins this morning when we lost a trader, we asked an agent for a location and were there in minutes. Only to find that the almighty Gankyee had already logged out.
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Posted - 2005.09.05 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vaugue
Edited by: Vaugue on 05/09/2005 08:05:26
Only to find that the almighty Gankyee had already logged out.
Edit : it would be really nice if these guys would even log in. Cowardly log in and out tactics. This is 1 reason i support single character accounts in an rpg game. Hiding on alts and such .. bleh such cowards.
Heck, I'm in no way almighty, never claimed it, never will.
What would you suggest? I go down in a blaze of 'glory' vs 10 people? Yea, right, like I'm going to give you that pleasure. My name is Gankyee Doodle for a reason =P
Greetz
Gank
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Spindrift
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Posted - 2005.09.05 09:30:00 -
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Hi all,
Ive loved reading this thread. Finally something I can get my teeth into. Ill mail you ingame about coming over to lend an hand. Not sure what I can achieve, but every missile tube helps i guess!
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.09.05 09:37:00 -
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What I found rather distruption was that corp used real life reference to religion. I wish that in game world people would simply forget mindless stuff like religion, please? 
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.09.05 10:23:00 -
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Please end the discussion of the name of the corporation, it has been changed apparantly and if either side disagrees you can Ask A Question through the website.
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.09.05 11:24:00 -
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And to add all war info on mentioned corp and their targets... ;)
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.05 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: GankYee Doodle
Heck, I'm in no way almighty, never claimed it, never will.
What would you suggest? I go down in a blaze of 'glory' vs 10 people? Yea, right, like I'm going to give you that pleasure. My name is Gankyee Doodle for a reason =P
Greetz
Gank[/quote
Well so far you're only victims are 1 blackbird (2 week rookie pilot trained in mining at that) 1 minmitar frigate (with a pilot of less than a week =x) and 1 hauler (who is 3 weeks). Yet when the few of us persue you , i like how you said 10 lol, you conviently log or are located some 15 jumps away suddenly.
Haven't seen a peep of Dirty since we got caught off guard and station locked. We will catch up with you eventualy, keep it up your war effort is doing great ! So far you have costed us 3million in loses... you just might make it to that 150m mark yet !
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franny
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Posted - 2005.09.05 12:34:00 -
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i've been in a similar situation in EQ(on Rallos), our former allied guild war'd us for BS reasons, wanting key people to leave us and whatnot
we faught back against 3 to 1 odds most of the time, and they eventually got tired of losing and appologized
extortion sucks, and this smells of extortion
Vaugue, eve-mail me to remind me to make a donation to your war effort when I get home from work
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Posted - 2005.09.05 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vaugue
Yet when the few of us persue you , i like how you said 10 lol, you conviently log or are located some 15 jumps away suddenly.
Man, I'm becomign a forum*****
You had several frigs, some cruisers, and a gankageddon battleship. Though most of them might be 'newer', everyone can use a web and scramble, you don't need a gazillion skillpoints for it.
Not gonna discuss it anymore.
And yes, it feels great being evil for once
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.09.05 12:36:00 -
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Contact me ingame and I can offer you a nice 0.4 system guarded by top-notch pvp'ers, within a fair price per day.
They won't get you there.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.05 14:04:00 -
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An arrmagedon lol!!!???? #1 we are a caldari race specific core. None of us are even able to pilot one of those. Yes we had a few cruisers and some frigs but a BB??? lol... i love exageration, but if you're willing to declare war on us then you should be willing to fight us or retract your effort ! Even the noobs are willing to fight you now. You have done amazing things for the morale of our core and i can't thank you enough.
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Posted - 2005.09.05 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vaugue
An arrmagedon lol!!!???? #1 we are a caldari race specific core. None of us are even able to pilot one of those. Yes we had a few cruisers and some frigs but a BB??? lol... i love exageration, but if you're willing to declare war on us then you should be willing to fight us or retract your effort ! Even the noobs are willing to fight you now. You have done amazing things for the morale of our core and i can't thank you enough.
Uhm, your member "TIO 101" is a 2 year old GALLENTE pilot. Either you need to change your hiring practices, or get your lies straight m8. |
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Posted - 2005.09.05 14:14:00 -
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Hmm it is nice to see the eve community comming together in such a fashion ... heres the deal guys if you cant play the game then dont play dont get on the form threding about how this crew attacked me blah blah blah i get attacked to i dont get on here "umm hey guys i dont want to do anything for my self and ither all i did something to get a contract on me umm i dont want to be attacked ummm i know i loook like a noob for posting this but if i dont get someone to fight for me im going to scream for my mommy" dude get over it already so what you got smashed it happens move on with life and for all you others sayin haha im going to be a hero and fight for them dun dun dun congrads hero get a cape and jump off a building you are attacking a 3 man crew they are not my peeps but it just seems a corp with 3 players getting hounded cause someone got a woodie for a bunch of people who dont understand RPG need to get alife if you want to play hero join city of heros if you are going to play eve play it and stop complaining about o i got blown up oops i got blown up again you need someone to wipe for you as well for christ sakes you do out number them if you cant handle it leave the system or the game and for the leaders of the crews who are going to post back to me o and yes for the person who started this thread i dont care you can get on here and talk crap trash me on here do what ever you want or say what ever it is your going to say because i hate to tell you all it dont me dic to me i have a life so get out of your moms basement open your eyes to that bright light we call the sun and try real hard to realize you are in an RPG for those who have posted on here ROLE PLAYING GAME since it seems you dont understand what that is this is where other people on the game and you as well play the game as if it were a ROLE NOT YOUR COMPLETE AND EXISTANCE..... ya i know you all are going to get on here and talk crap and blah blah blah but what do i care cause i dont i have a life perhaps you should get one o and for all those corps out there attacking a 3 man crew wow must make you feel good hmmmm anyhow you are all well most 3 yr pilots try to understand the concept of the game by now perhaps if you are that bored you should move to a diff game and no this is not me attacking any one ither all you all need to understand there there are 2 sides to a story and then there is the truth o and as for the noob who started this crap in the first place go ahead and talk your crap act like a tard casue you have back up now let me leave you with a final thought ummm WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! o and by the way go ahead and hunt for this account on eve cause i rarley have this account on there and just to let you know i have no dog in t his fight as a matter of fact my primary account is in one of the corps that got involved in this crap just so we could attack three mercs wahoooo
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Posted - 2005.09.05 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Ricin
Uhm, your member "TIO 101" is a 2 year old GALLENTE pilot. Either you need to change your hiring practices, or get your lies straight m8.
Ahhhh yes, TIO 101 , he offered to join us for the duration of this war. He was in it for the sport. Regardless Sean you met your fate to one of our pilots as well, Utopian who himself is also only a couple weeks old. So don't say it's all TIO.
You want to declare war on us don't expect 1 on 1 duels. You fight all of us or not at all. Regardless of TIO (not saying he didn't contribute) you would have met the noob swarm anyway as everyone of us, miners and all, are in frigs and whatever else we can pilot with jamming galor and ready to defend ourselves. Yes we were a bit nervous and even a bit scared at first, so i panic'd for the sake of my corp, it just so happens that a lot responded. You can bet we will be there for the next noob core to ask for help when we are established and set up, and not a fleet of a few week old rookies.
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Posted - 2005.09.05 14:42:00 -
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TI0 101 is one of ours who wanted in on the fight a bit sooner since the name change bugged our war dec(it canceled 5 min after being declared and yes the bill was paid...) needless to say it was immediately put back into the voting process and will be redecced today
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Posted - 2005.09.05 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 05/09/2005 14:53:56
Originally by: Sean Ricin
Uhm, your member "TIO 101" is a 2 year old GALLENTE pilot. Either you need to change your hiring practices, or get your lies straight m8.
Ahhhh yes, TIO 101 , he offered to join us for the duration of this war. He was in it for the sport. Regardless Sean you met your fate to one of our pilots as well, Utopian who himself is also only a couple weeks old. So don't say it's all TIO.
You want to declare war on us don't expect 1 on 1 duels. You fight all of us or not at all. Regardless of TIO (not saying he didn't contribute) you would have met the noob swarm anyway as everyone of us, miners and all, are in frigs and whatever else we can pilot with jamming galor and ready to defend ourselves.
Yes we were a bit nervous, it just so happens that a lot responded. Sorry if it offended you Tarnov. If people wanted to phyiscaly help us that was thier choice. I just laid the facts out and asked for a bit of help. Do you really think i expected the 7th army to show up?
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Posted - 2005.09.05 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vaugue
Edited by: Vaugue on 05/09/2005 14:42:28
Originally by: Sean Ricin
Uhm, your member "TIO 101" is a 2 year old GALLENTE pilot. Either you need to change your hiring practices, or get your lies straight m8.
Ahhhh yes, TIO 101 , he offered to join us for the duration of this war. He was in it for the sport. Regardless Sean you met your fate to one of our pilots as well, Utopian who himself is also only a couple weeks old. So don't say it's all TIO.
You want to declare war on us don't expect 1 on 1 duels. You fight all of us or not at all. Regardless of TIO (not saying he didn't contribute) you would have met the noob swarm anyway as everyone of us, miners and all, are in frigs and whatever else we can pilot with jamming galor and ready to defend ourselves.
Yes we were a bit nervous and even a bit scared at first, so i panic'd for the sake of my corp, it just so happens that a lot responded. As you will see in my orignal post i was asking for *ADVICE*. Sorry if it offended you Tarnov. If people wanted to phyiscaly help us that was thier choice. I just laid the facts out and asked for some view points
This is very true, Vaugue has told me many times that he didn't expect all the help that he has recieved. This nOOb corp has been more than willing from the word go to kick your a$$ themselves. And, it would seem they are doing a fine job of it thus far .
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Posted - 2005.09.05 15:25:00 -
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The most beautiful thing about this is the way it has forced our little corp to come together.
As a word of advice to any new playrs out there...
There are good folks out there too. If you are lucky you get to game with them. There was no cowardice ever on our side. We, for our dignity, pulled together. If you get hit with a bully, fight back! He's tried this a bunch of times. He, and all bullies, are never looking for a fight. He and all cowards like him will fold if you show resolve.
He said he would "witness the destruction of our corp." He made us stronger.
Also, I really want to thank all of those who have offered thier assistance. So thanks!
I spent the last day on four hunts for our cowardly friend, who just two days ago, was challenging all comers.
He ran and ran like the coward he is. I was on those patrols BTW, we don't have BBs yet. I was in a *kestral* Of the frigs there, mine was the heaviest. We did have some small cruisers but that was it. And it was never 10 of us in a gang. At most 8, which is a great accomplishment, given the small size of our little corp, and the fact that we live in vastly different time zones in RW. But then again, he is exagerating simply because he is trying to save what little face he might still have.
Simply put, Ganky and Dirty, you are the two dwarves that didn't cut it for the movies.
We'll see you in space.
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Posted - 2005.09.05 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Orin Malbaum on 05/09/2005 17:30:30
This whole issue is a demonstration of exactly why many, including me love EVE so much. Older Chars, helpless n00bs. Ex-N00bs seem to be wtfpwning more experience pilots. Opera.
Vaugue, my congratulations, long may u and your corp continue to show these ****s what happens to bullys, because that is what they seem to be.
I'd come and help u myself, but do not have the authority to declare corp war, and seeing as it is an empire war, there sadly does not seem to be much i can do, without being CONCORGANKED (please corect me if im wrong).
Originally by: fifthforce
Simply put, Ganky and Dirty, you are the two dwarves that didn't cut it for the movies.
We'll see you in space.
Want to hug u matey 
All the best for the future.
EDIT: And am not discussing the corp name, despite it not being to my taste. I am refering to the actions of the corp, just to be sure no one gets the wrong end of the stick. 
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lolzor
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Posted - 2005.09.05 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: lolzor on 05/09/2005 17:52:06
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2005.09.05 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Vaugue on 05/09/2005 18:23:50
Originally by: GankYee Doodle
Vaugue, why are you denying that Tio 101 was flying a gankageddon? lol?
I never realized HE was the gankgeddon, my appologies, i guess we did have one though he only joined for the sport to hunt you guys, technicaly he's not one of my pilots. Point taken i did not mean to lie.
Originally by: GankYee Doodle
ULCC made more friends and allies they could have ever hoped to achieve.
Very true, as i said earlier i didnt expect the 7th army to show up. I came here looking for advice being new to the game, and my duty as ceo of my corp to have answers, I came here to find them.
Originally by: GankYee Doodle
I don't have anything to do with a certain guy named allah, nor with terrorists, or whatever, ingame nor IRL.
As I said before, the corp description was 'unlucky', and I've apologised before, not gonna do it again. (just read upwards)
I never once pointed at your name myself, and i stressed to my corp to keep the name out of thier posts and or to be used as excuses. I never once labeled you in anyway. Yeah i smack talked a bit and called you the might gankyee but eh i never said you were a terrorist. I kept my actions IN GAME.
Originally by: GankYee Doodle
Other then that, is using Arab speech in a corpname not allowed anymore? Since when is the word 'mujahideen' offensive? Does that mean all corporations with the word 'Warrior', or 'struggler' as someone else translated it in it will have their names removed as well?
What about German? Or Hottentottententian? Are those languages still allowed ingame?
It is tough times right now and people are easily offended. I agree to some extent of what you are saying here, but with the recent actions in the world in the last few years and your core only being 1 month old, you would realize that this use of names would be frowned upon. It would be the samething as building a corporation in the 50's named after **** ideal's .. it wouldnt last and people would freak, its common sense. This will be the only time i mention anything in relevence to the name your core had.. maybe i should've censored it and let people find it on thier own, but what's done is done. All i did was post the facts and ask for advice, I'm sorry for the turmoil from that degree.
Edit : look at that they even censored N*zi
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Posted - 2005.09.05 18:56:00 -
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Well said MacheteDemon. Its amazing how quickly the ganked can turn into the gankers.
Anyway, maybe Unilateral Caldari Confederacy need to look deeper into this war dec and wonder how it came about.
If it is just for the isk how the hell did the war dec'ing corp find out that you could possibly pay such a fee. Maybe you should be asking yourself how they got the information and look inward to the your not so loyal group.
If its a contract maybe it worth finding out who you upset in your local system that wants you out so bad. Even if you do get the war dec'ing corp to drop the war the contract issuer can always hire someone else to attack you.
On a finishing note, its amusing to see big corps rushing to the rescue in the name of protecting noobs. When the same corporations will happily implement KOS policies in their space often killing the noobs they are now aiming to protect. I wonder how many KOS policies have driven so called noobs to quit.
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Posted - 2005.09.05 18:58:00 -
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can someone do me a favour and convo me/eve-mail me the member list for this corp + any other worthwhile information you think should be mentioned.
ive been looking for a corp for our new members to train on.
anyway, this aside. as far as fighting for you. i would but i cant really just drop my stuff and corp hop temporarily cos i got my own stuff to worry about. but i WILL give you free PVP advice and tutelage that im sure many are willing to offer you. just convo me or eve mail me anything you want to ask about. im also willing to build you a lot of minor things such as combat worthy frigates and ammo like kestrels and the likes. 2 kestrels and a griffin can dominate a LOT of things, all you have to do is know how.
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Posted - 2005.09.05 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: R34ch3r
On a finishing note, its amusing to see big corps rushing to the rescue in the name of protecting noobs. When the same corporations will happily implement KOS policies in their space often killing the noobs they are now aiming to protect. I wonder how many KOS policies have driven so called noobs to quit.
I imagine this is probably because it's happening to a young corp in empire space. As a farily new player (2 months) I learnt pretty quickly that 0.0 was (and still is) a no-go area (assuming that's what is meant by corp owned space), and as most people will have greater or equal brain cells to what I have, a KOS policy in 0.0 probably has very little effect on new players. Of course I could be way off the mark, but just my opinion.
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Posted - 2005.09.05 21:55:00 -
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Okie war is redeced post name change bug... see you tomorrow boys :)
2005.09.05 21:47:00
Damage Industries has declared war on EVE Corp 3598672. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
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Posted - 2005.09.05 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: R34ch3r
Anyway, maybe Unilateral Caldari Confederacy need to look deeper into this war dec and wonder how it came about.
If it is just for the isk how the hell did the war dec'ing corp find out that you could possibly pay such a fee. Maybe you should be asking yourself how they got the information and look inward to the your not so loyal group.
What makes you think that they thought this corp could pay? Why is it so hard for people to even consider that they wardecced this corp for their own amusement? Just why would a corp of older characters declare on n00bs?
Originally by: R34ch3r
On a finishing note, its amusing to see big corps rushing to the rescue in the name of protecting noobs. When the same corporations will happily implement KOS policies in their space often killing the noobs they are now aiming to protect. I wonder how many KOS policies have driven so called noobs to quit.
Maybe the big corps have RL friends in the n00b corp. Why else would they be fighting in empire when quite frankly, they have bigger fish to fry in 0.0
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Posted - 2005.09.06 00:59:00 -
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I think that by acceptng help from other players you have ruined part of the game for you and your other corp members.
Your force would have kicked their asses. and accomplished it by yourselves. All you have done now is made another corp go into hibernation or disband.
And to all the other people who are war decing them...wtf you do that for, they are only a five man corp, im sure your not going to get any enjoyment out of it yourselves, I really dont see the point, my corp went to empire and declared on corps, it is crap if they dont want to fight.
My advice to Vauge, if your corp enjoyed the organizing to hunt and the feeling of keeping people on the run, why dont you find a gallente role play corp with new players and get a mutual war dec on. PvP is lots of fun, and when i was playing the same lenght of time as you i was out ransoming mining bs and killing off npcers in the vale, so it doesnt matter how long you have been playing for.
Whats the worst that could happen to you? there is only one way to fail in this game and that is to not try at all.
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Posted - 2005.09.06 01:02:00 -
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Squelch Waht makes you think they are extorting once again please consider the ALL the possibilities and not just be closed minded jeez. There are several reasons that are very viable reasons for dec'ing war please consider THEM ALL before you point fingers and blame
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GankYee Doodle
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Posted - 2005.09.06 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: GankYee Doodle on 06/09/2005 06:16:28
Originally by: MacheteDemon
Squelch Waht makes you think they are extorting once again please consider the ALL the possibilities and not just be closed minded jeez. There are several reasons that are very viable reasons for dec'ing war please consider THEM ALL before you point fingers and blame
It doesn't matter anyway. CCP killed the corp, because some peeps read something in Arabic speech, a language, once heard you have to immediatly petition =). A bunch of racists, ignorants and reactionists would do that. So thx. I don't speak it BTW.
'Al-Hizbul Mujahideen' >> 'Undead warriors who have surrendered their souls', liberally translated.
It even makes sence too:
We aren't afraid of dying, and even if we did, we have a clone contract. If you have a clone contract, you can't realy die. If you can't die, you are undead. I'll leave the warrior part for everyone else to figure.
I sure hope CCP 'fixes' every corpname with the words 'Undead' & 'Warriors' in it, since its not allowed anymore. Or, it could also mean CCP has installed a 'non arabic language policy'. I'll have to look into the EULA then for updates.
Never seen such a big bunch of whiners together on one forum. I knew it, thats why I never bothered with this 'forum' in the first place.
Now I've become a forum***** myself. Great.
I'll not fight as 'corp 3something' Whining wtfpwnaged us, NOTHING ELSE. See you all in hell.
Edit: this is my last post on this thread, I considder the case closed.
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Posted - 2005.09.06 07:28:00 -
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Corp name was legitimate but ignorant distastefull and immature. It was like calling a corp SS, zondergroup and ****jugend in late 40-ies or 50-ies. It was going to upset a lot of ppl and that's exactly what happened.
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Squelch
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Posted - 2005.09.06 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: MacheteDemon
Squelch Waht makes you think they are extorting once again please consider the ALL the possibilities and not just be closed minded jeez
And I invite you to do the same.
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Posted - 2005.09.06 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
Please end the discussion of the name of the corporation, it has been changed apparantly and if either side disagrees you can Ask A Question through the website.
Discussion continued, thread locked
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