But if you truly agree that pod deaths should have consequences then surely you should agree with me then that losing a pod should always result in SP loss.

It's not really apples and oranges, when you get warnings about insignificant oversights, but not about drastically consequential ones. It is a relevant point, that there should be a warning (that can be toggled off) if there is going to be one for other things.

No.
We already update our clones to avoid losing SkillPoints.
If we fail to update it, then we lose SkillPoints.

No idea what you're trying to spin here. I already lost skillpoints.
It was my fault. I didn't complain. A month is nothing anyway.

That sounds great, I would actually support this if pods were warp core stabbed in some way. 2 weeks of training time would be the perfect penaltly for a pod loss. I can't see it ever happening though.

I think it would be better if there was some mechanism to warn the person that their clone needed upgrading as:

1. This is more likely to affect newer players

2. If you accept a level 1 distribution mission and try to undock without the cargo you get a warning but not for something much more important like skillpoint loss, seems a bit arse about face to me

You come up with bullshit things that don't have anything to do with it.
It's a few clicks and all it affords is half a brain !

What you're trying to argue is that people struggle with remembering that
they can move a pawn only one field at a time and it should be made easier,
because chess as a whole is such a complex game !

Because its a terrible idea. Sure its trivial to avoid pod loss in high or lowsec, but in null or wormhole space its a different matter entirely. Even losing a T3 hull doesn't impose that harsh a penalty.

I'm not trying to spin anything, I'm simply saying it is too easy to avoid the penalties of losing a pod. You can simply update your clone and then fly in a pod without implants and suicide yourself without worry. I think it is stupid and not in fitting with the general mechanics and lore of Eve.

Granted if there were harsher pod death penalties then I think it should not be possible to get pods caught in bubbles as then no one would want to fight. Hence why if SP loss was reintroduced then I think all pods would need to be warp core stabbed.

Honestly I think the pod loss mechanic is TOO LENIENT. It is dumb to have a mechanic this basically only punishing if you forget. It should be possible for a good pirate/merc to force SP loss. Then imagine the bounty system, at the prospect of losing real SP a high bounty could be placed with the requirement for certain amount of SP loss. High enough bounty and you would really be scared to undock. plus it makes ransoming viable again which i think would be cool.

Yes.
A simple checkbox in the clones menu:"Always upgrade clone after death"
Check or uncheck if you like and deal with the consequences.

+1 i can't agree more ...

Loosing Sp just because you did'nt click on a f.. button ... so ....

Losing a pod should be worse than losing a ship. At the moment people fear the SP loss from losing their T3 ship, but getting you actual clone blown up doesn't really matter at all.

Apart from the clone fee, the implant loss, and the relocation to yout med clone station.

To be honost, the possibility of actually losing valuable things (ships, implants, skillpoints) is why a lot of people like this game and keep on playing.
Most people only forget to update their clone once, after that they know to check clones after they die.

Implant loss is nothing if the player has no implants fitted. The clone fee is also minimal until you begin to reach really high levels of SP, and even then it is still not a massive loss to those pilots. And relocation to your med clone station is actually a benefit to most players as it saves them to travel time of having to fly back.

I think you need to stick to games like WOW and STO and other mainstream MMOs with low learning curves, this is Eve Online. It is a brutal hard unforgiving game. Only those who can adapt can make it in this game. Since 2003 I have made mistakes and lost SPs and assets but you learn and come out stronger and wiser.

Mainstream MMOs are popular not because of a low learning curve they keep players playing the game for years with friends and family. EvE is a particular niche game made for vets who prefer the game how they play it, yet niche games have a huge problem: player retention. If it wasn't for PLEX I truly don't see EvE surviving to it's 10th anniversary, as players wouldn't have an incentive to stay to level (burnout even affects vets).

EvE like any MMO needs to identify the aspects of the game that makes players leave, as it's not good for the game when they do. The population becomes a F2P game and just as stale, the "whales" paying for their addictions, and careless.

Mainstream MMOs are popular not because of a low learning curve they keep players playing the game for years with friends and family. EvE is a particular niche game made for vets who prefer the game how they play it, yet niche games have a huge problem: player retention. If it wasn't for PLEX I truly don't see EvE surviving to it's 10th anniversary, as players wouldn't have an incentive to stay to level (burnout even affects vets).

EvE like any MMO needs to identify the aspects of the game that makes players leave, as it's not good for the game when they do. The population becomes a F2P game and just as stale, the "whales" paying for their addictions, and careless.

Mainstream MMOs are popular not because of a low learning curve they keep players playing the game for years with friends and family. EvE is a particular niche game made for vets who prefer the game how they play it, yet niche games have a huge problem: player retention. If it wasn't for PLEX I truly don't see EvE surviving to it's 10th anniversary, as players wouldn't have an incentive to stay to level (burnout even affects vets).

EvE like any MMO needs to identify the aspects of the game that makes players leave, as it's not good for the game when they do. The population becomes a F2P game and just as stale, the "whales" paying for their addictions, and careless.