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Corey Fumimasa Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance 229	Posted - 2013.03.29 14:27:00 - [1] - Quote Games are typically designed with an idea as to what the players will do. Original Eve development had a theory of how game play would progress, in some cases the theories were correct, in others not so much. How was Eve originally intended to be played? What progression did the developers envision? Did they have an idea as to what percentage of players would choose to mine and build as opposed to missioning and fighting? One thing I'm pretty sure of is that having the right ship with the right fit for the task that a player wanted to perform was always key. Did the original development notes theorize that this kind of ship specialization would replace character classes, and that players would stick to one or two types of craft for the most part? Or did they just intend players to enjoy the ship building process and spend time designing ships for a specific task? Was there a progression from High > Low > Null originally coded into the game? Are there advantages to following those old progressions in todays game? I would say yes to both questions, but there is no proof that I have yet found. How do you think the designers originally envisioned Eve? And are there advantages to trying to play that way today? ===
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 1182	Posted - 2013.03.29 14:42:00 - [2] - Quote It's a sandbox. You decide how to play. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008.
Primary Me Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 54	Posted - 2013.03.29 14:42:00 - [3] - Quote An interesting interview from 2000, it doesn't answer all you questions, but gives a flavour of where they were heading: http://www.rpgplanet.com/features/interviews/eve/
Tyrendian Biohazard Terra Rosa Academy 2	Posted - 2013.03.29 14:46:00 - [4] - Quote -Insert LOLitsasandbox answer here-
Corey Fumimasa Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance 229	Posted - 2013.03.29 14:58:00 - [5] - Quote Tyrendian Biohazard wrote: -A sandbox is a contained environment with limited possibilities. The scope and order in which those possibilities are encountered create a framework that is more open ended than a serial adventure but not entirely limitless in options. LOL- How's that? ===
Indahmawar Fazmarai 1397	Posted - 2013.03.29 15:02:00 - [6] - Quote Primary Me wrote: An interesting interview from 2000, it doesn't answer all you questions, but gives a flavour of where they were heading: http://www.rpgplanet.com/features/interviews/eve/ Very interesting to read that, in the light of the last 13 years. The abridged version is: EVE was to be a visually rich and mostly unexplored single shard universe where your ship was your avatar and killing other players was the ultima ratio of everything. Obviously it has lasted 10 years in spite of its origin, rather than thanks to it. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
Tyrendian Biohazard Terra Rosa Academy 2	Posted - 2013.03.29 15:03:00 - [7] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Tyrendian Biohazard wrote: -A sandbox is a contained environment with limited possibilities. The scope and order in which those possibilities are encountered create a framework that is more open ended than a serial adventure but not entirely limitless in options. LOL- How's that? Works for me!
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 2533	Posted - 2013.03.29 15:17:00 - [8] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Tyrendian Biohazard wrote: -A sandbox is a contained environment with limited possibilities. The scope and order in which those possibilities are encountered create a framework that is more open ended than a serial adventure but not entirely limitless in options. LOL- How's that? You guys have it all wrong.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 712	Posted - 2013.03.29 15:22:00 - [9] - Quote Trying to apply any kind of 'standard progression model' to EVE is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I started Highsec ganking and moved out to 0.0 as a noob, never had to grind anything aside from some incursions and sleeper sites, neither of which really felt like a grind at all. EVE Online, PVE optional, PVP mandatory.
baltec1 Bat Country 5750	Posted - 2013.03.29 15:24:00 - [10] - Quote Freedom to be what we want to be.

Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 3914	Posted - 2013.03.29 16:25:00 - [11] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Was there a progression from High > Low > Null originally coded into the game? Are there advantages to following those old progressions in todays game? I would say yes to both questions, but there is no proof that I have yet found. Posting in a stealth "Nerf High Sec"/ "Kick High Seccers to Low and Null" Thread. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
Corey Fumimasa Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance 229	Posted - 2013.03.29 18:32:00 - [12] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Corey Fumimasa wrote: Was there a progression from High > Low > Null originally coded into the game? Are there advantages to following those old progressions in todays game? I would say yes to both questions, but there is no proof that I have yet found. Posting in a stealth "Nerf High Sec"/ "Kick High Seccers to Low and Null" Thread. I unblocked you because I figured your "tasty beverage" responses couldn't be too bad, and as a fairly subjective question all input is interesting. Then I come here and find yet another baseless, pointless, and banal Kixtal thread derailment post. Back to block with you. ===
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 3923	Posted - 2013.03.29 19:22:00 - [13] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Corey Fumimasa wrote: Was there a progression from High > Low > Null originally coded into the game? Are there advantages to following those old progressions in todays game? I would say yes to both questions, but there is no proof that I have yet found. Posting in a stealth "Nerf High Sec"/ "Kick High Seccers to Low and Null" Thread. I unblocked you because I figured your "tasty beverage" responses couldn't be too bad, and as a fairly subjective question all input is interesting. Then I come here and find yet another baseless, pointless, and banal Kixtal thread derailment post. Back to block with you. You're welcome. The humor quotient capability is low in this one. There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2789	Posted - 2013.03.29 19:30:00 - [14] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: I unblocked you because I figured your "tasty beverage" responses couldn't be too bad, and as a fairly subjective question all input is interesting. Then I come here and find yet another baseless, pointless, and banal Kixtal thread derailment post. Back to block with you. Blocking is for the weak, just like your posting. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 3923	Posted - 2013.03.29 19:35:00 - [15] - Quote This is how I derail threads: Ultimate thread derailing pic There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 3005	Posted - 2013.03.29 20:25:00 - [16] - Quote Eve was originally intended to be a free for all sandbox populated by **s so that they can be s to each other. Now Eve is a sandbox populated by s and people who whine about people being s and people who want to be s to the s and whole alliances dedicated to being s, with a DEV team dedicated to supposedly nerfing the s while themselves have alts planted in those alliances that are dedicated to being s. We also have a group of s who are elected to help the other s figure out what really needs to be changed in game so to appease the people who whine about the s. So yeah. Eve...just a bunch of s being s. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?**
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 3923	Posted - 2013.03.29 21:42:00 - [17] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Eve was originally intended to be a free for all sandbox populated by **s so that they can be s to each other. Now Eve is a sandbox populated by s and people who whine about people being s and people who want to be s to the s and whole alliances dedicated to being s, with a DEV team dedicated to supposedly nerfing the s while themselves have alts planted in those alliances that are dedicated to being s. We also have a group of s who are elected to help the other s figure out what really needs to be changed in game so to appease the people who whine about the s. So yeah. Eve...just a bunch of s being **s. {{{applauds}}} There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community.-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde
darmwand Repo. 101	Posted - 2013.03.30 02:57:00 - [18] - Quote @Primary Me: great links, interesting to read! Thorolfur Beck wrote: Players will also be able to customize their ship quite extensively, both in outfitting them as well as in outward appearance. This includes altering various things on the ships, adding emblems and logos, changing their color, and more. 13 years later we're still not quite there yet darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN

ISD Flidais Asagiri ISD Community Communications Liaisons 82	Posted - 2013.03.30 04:53:00 - [19] - Quote Greetings This thread is already getting off to a bad start, lets keep the rhetoric and ranting to a minimum please. On On ISD Flidais Asagiri Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Dalmont Delantee EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance 122	Posted - 2013.03.30 06:55:00 - [20] - Quote Galaxy Pig wrote: Trying to apply any kind of 'standard progression model' to EVE is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I started Highsec ganking and moved out to 0.0 as a noob, never had to grind anything aside from some incursions and sleeper sites, neither of which really felt like a grind at all. EVE Online, PVE optional, PVP mandatory. I think you have that totally wrong. PVE optional, PVP optional You do what you want look at all the people that just help out noobs, that trade etc. PVP isn't mandatory to enjoy this game at all.

Ghazu 552	Posted - 2013.03.30 10:31:00 - [21] - Quote Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Primary Me wrote: An interesting interview from 2000, it doesn't answer all you questions, but gives a flavour of where they were heading: http://www.rpgplanet.com/features/interviews/eve/ Very interesting to read that, in the light of the last 13 years. The abridged version is: EVE was to be a visually rich and mostly unexplored single shard universe where your ship was your avatar and killing other players was the ultima ratio of everything. Obviously it has lasted 10 years in spite of its origin, rather than thanks to it. yes let's change the ultima ratio to dressed up dudes emoting each other. http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Takseen Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 407	Posted - 2013.03.30 10:43:00 - [22] - Quote Corey Fumimasa wrote: Was there a progression from High > Low > Null originally coded into the game? Are there advantages to following those old progressions in todays game? I would say yes to both questions, but there is no proof that I have yet found. Yes. The main form of pve was belt ratting. The biggest rats were in nullsec, so that's where you had to go to maximise ISK. There were no level 4 missions in highsec spawning an infinite supply of NPC battleships to shoot. Now this model is mostly obselete, thankfully. Each zone simply supports a different size and scale of gameplay. They're just not perfectly balanced with each other.
YuuKnow Terra-Formers 688	Posted - 2013.03.30 10:45:00 - [23] - Quote Well. Before the website overload last week there was still an archive of the original dev videos pre-releaste. Seems to be lost to the ether now. Basically the Devs were developing the game they wanted to play. A big sandbox. They had no idea how things would really turn out. The original release was raw with tons of exploits. There was no 'balance' between ships and large ships instapawned all things smaller than they were. There were no restrictions on fittings and tachyon lasers were the fit for everyship (tachyon raven ftw). Alliances and the 'claimed' space was a novel idea many resisted the evolution of null sec alliances. Someone should link the old dev vids if they still exist. Otherwise a stroll through the old eve forums oldest post may give you a clue. (TomB was the man). yk


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