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Ice Brewer Brave Newbies Inc. 7	Posted - 2013.03.30 05:09:00 - [1] - Quote Spent the past month getting back into the game, and I've been trying to get into pvp and improve - The problem is, I'm just not. And here's what's disheartened me the most: http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1444675 9.33%. I know what your going to say, killboards aren't important, just have fun, etc... But honestly, having such a dreadful ratio is really making me feel like I'm failing massively without any improvement :/ I've been soloing, with the odd fleet, but still have the bullshit that is my 9.33% looming over me. Someone tell me to stop focusing on it so much -.-
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 895	Posted - 2013.03.30 05:16:00 - [2] - Quote ok so today i lost my a-type fit tengu in a mission because i went to get some coffee and forgot to turn on my shield booster. does that make you feel better? "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 6222	Posted - 2013.03.30 05:33:00 - [3] - Quote Welcome back to Eve and stop focusing on Kill Board stats so much. DMC
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1155	Posted - 2013.03.30 06:45:00 - [4] - Quote If what you're interested in is building killboard stats then the most important thing to you should be learning how to identify the conditions where you're going to win a fight and then only fighting under those conditions. Works pretty well for my killboard stats, but then again I live in highsec where 90% of the people you fight are desperately trying to run away from you.
L'ouris 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 66	Posted - 2013.03.30 06:55:00 - [5] - Quote If it helps any, your kill board indicates you fight in a lot of small gangs, and your solo deaths don't seem to be coming from ships you should 'murder' every time. All in all, looks like a normal solo small gang kill board for someone who takes challenges. High efficiency normally just indicates how well you can km *****. Your record of deaths to kills seems to be 1 kill for every few losses. I think that is actually a pretty normal honest result for solo and small gang pvp when you don't run away from anything that stands a fighting chance. This normally improves when a pilot stops going "yay!! Trap!", or "I wonder if I can kill that?". As to if that's what you want to change, it's up to you. Disclaimer: I suck at pvp too...... So take any advice from me with a grain of salt :p
Andracin Sickology 74	Posted - 2013.03.30 07:09:00 - [6] - Quote Don't get caught up in kb stats. I just looked at your losses and to be honest there are not many frigates, even piloted by skilled pilots, who could take the fights you lost your ships in and win. I would suggest fighting in novice faction war plexes and keeping your d-scan up. Be really selective about the engagements you take, especially since your in a t1 fit ship. If you keep fighting massive odds or blobs or larger ships your going to keep feeling discouraged. In your favor atleast you are not posting epic fail mails which is a big step from noob to pro. 9-29 is not that big of a gap, as you progress and you gain both sp and piloting skill you can flip that % around easy.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1656	Posted - 2013.03.30 08:17:00 - [7] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: ok so today i lost my a-type fit tengu in a mission because i went to get some coffee and forgot to turn on my shield booster. does that make you feel better? I attacked a bait POS with one (even if it wasn't a trap, it was a really stupid thing to do, and I've learned that lesson well). http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=10802376 Was worth 2.5 billion at the time. I immediately bought another. I currently have 2. [Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.] Then there was the Navy Raven I lost when I got disconnected in a mission... stuff happens. Accept your losses with a laugh, and try to learn from them. Having fun is all that matters.
J'Poll The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 2020	Posted - 2013.03.30 08:46:00 - [8] - Quote Ice Brewer wrote: Spent the past month getting back into the game, and I've been trying to get into pvp and improve - The problem is, I'm just not. And here's what's disheartened me the most: http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1444675 9.33%. I know what your going to say, killboards aren't important, just have fun, etc... But honestly, having such a dreadful ratio is really making me feel like I'm failing massively without any improvement :/ I've been soloing, with the odd fleet, but still have the bullshit that is my 9.33% looming over me. Someone tell me to stop focusing on it so much -.- Just have fun no real player gives a crap about kb stats. Tjose that do are elitist and people who will compensate for the lack of something else. And if you want good srats. Dont dive into each fight like a headless chicken. Learn to identify what to fight and what to avoid. Typical CCP. Giving away new clothes but don't have the forums ready to show them. I feel naked.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 805	Posted - 2013.03.30 10:00:00 - [9] - Quote Here's my thoughts on the subject: - Vimsu's post was the most important one here, let me elaborate. The trick to winning is not learning how to kill but it's learning how not to BE killed, I know that sounds real Zen like but it's true. Once you learn how to avoid stuff you can't handle you stop dying so much and all of a sudden your KB stats (as if they matter) get better. Also, if you learn to survive more you end up with more kills because of it. What you need to learn is that PVP is about strategy and tactics and not so much about dps and EHP numbers, it's very much rock paper scissors. If you KNOW what the other ship can and can't do and you KNOW what your ship can and can't do then you KNOW which strategy will lead to your downfall and which will lead to victory. You need to start fitting towards a specific realistic scenario & strategy rather than just checking the dps numbers. It also means getting situational awareness and getting efficient at taking in all the info, intel overview etc and then turn that into taking the right decisions. You need to learn the basics. Here's a good example, you lost a Maulus with a scram, plated and with 2 range damps. That fit makes no sense as it seems to be some sort of tackler (you're in a fleet) but you're also short range so the range damps don't really do a whole lot and in fact all they really do it make yourself the only target for the one you tackled because everything else will be outside his range. Now technically you could zoom around just around his new locking range but still have him scrammed... in theory. In reality that's very difficult to make happen especially as a newbie, it's just not a realistic strategy especially not in fleets. If you lose a ship in fleets then it's not your fault as long as you followed the FC's calls and kept to fleet fittings. Solo or when with 1-2 others it's all up to you and you need to learn strategy. - You're used as cannon fodder, but don't necessarily see that as a negative thing because it's a good way to get yourself exposed to the sensory overload that is PVP. The strategy is to bombard high SP, high value targets with cheap **** and just drown them in targets while tickling them to death. It's a valid strategy but for that to work you need numbers and good FCing. Either (or both, don't know how good your FC's are) may be the problem. Thing is that you losing cheap stuff is pretty much expected and is fine as long as you don't start losing silly faction crap. Right now you're exchanging some isk for experience, see it as a simple transaction like that and be ok with it. It'll get better over time. - you're mostly fighting in PVP hotspots where "everyone" has gang links and "everyone" is waiting for some clown(s) to fall for their trap. OMS (Old Man Star) etc isn't really PVP; it's being gang linked to fck with RR, neutral alt support and cloakies nearby clubbing baby seal idiots who thought they'd get a "good fight". In short you'll "never" win fights from the locals but don't worry about that because they're more carebear than most lvl 4 mission runners, hiding behind their gang links and stuff. in short; you're new so you're going to die a lot, it's ok as long as you had a plan each and every time and you learn from every loss. Learn strategies, fittings and tactics. Learn about the most obvious fits for all ships you're possibly going to encounter so you know how they work and how to kill them.The worst thing you can do is not thinking before you're acting, not learning from every encounter, if you're cable of not being an idiot it'll get better in time. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish
Takseen Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 407	Posted - 2013.03.30 10:16:00 - [10] - Quote Only thing I'd say is to work harder on avoiding pod death. This should be extremely rare in lowsec, and you'll save a lot of money in implants in the long run. Fact is as a new player, you will lost most of your solo fights because you're lacking in SP, ISK and combat experience compared to typical opponents. As long as you're learning something from those fights and making fewer mistakes each time, its for the good. And in fleet fights, the relative size and quality of each fleet and their FCs is way more important than your own contribution when it comes to your killboard stats. http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1563450 This is my FW alt's killboard. I lost literally every solo fight I engaged in, but got plenty of kills in fleets because GalMil FCs are really good at picking and winning fights. (The Scorpion kill in Lumi was blatant whoring though) But it doesn't mean I'm a good pilot, just means I got lucky enough to fly in good fleets. Edit : Oh, and since you said you wanted to feel better. Look how I lost six 17m Thrashers on the 17th of March, mostly to gatecamps and being primaried in fleet fights. Very frustrating.
Fret Thiesant The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.03.30 10:56:00 - [11] - Quote Yeah man I got podded today because I didn't know the new hi-sec engagement rules. Just plus 3's sure but that's tough on us newer players. Lesson learned. Anyways look at it like this; you have some decent kills already and you're just in a t-1 fit 500k frig. Could be a lot worse.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 401	Posted - 2013.03.30 15:44:00 - [12] - Quote Not being the ++ber PvP-Ace myself but honestly, your killboard already looks better than some others I have seen with 95+% efficiency... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. Mangala Solaris for CSM 8
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 901	Posted - 2013.03.30 16:36:00 - [13] - Quote Nerath Naaris wrote: Not being the ++ber PvP-Ace myself but honestly, your killboard already looks better than some others I have seen with 95+% efficiency... all things considered, i would actually agree. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Summer Isle Autumn Industrial Enterprises 5	Posted - 2013.03.30 17:04:00 - [14] - Quote Don't feel too bad. When I first started, before I really learned about systems and security status, I tried moving my home base to meet up with a corp I had joined, and ended up taking all of my worldly possessions (~110m ISK value) in an unfit Mammoth through a lowsec system (I had the correct autopilot settings, but I noticed in the star map that I could cut the trip 8 jumps shorter by going through 3 systems instead of 11 skirting around them. Turns out some of those jumps were through lowsec space). We all do silly and foolish things when we're still new, and like in any game, it is a learning experience. As others have said, reducing or eliminating pod loss will be a HUGE boon. I'm at work right now, so I can't be certain this is the exact right page, but check out http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Overview_Guide#Setting_Up_a_Pod_Saver_Preset on how to make a dedicated overview tab to prevent pod death. When you see that you are losing a fight and you can't get your ship out, switch over to that tab and star spamming the warp key on one of the targets on it. Because pods jump to warp nearly instantly, it is possible to save your pod this way in 99% of the cases (excluding any adventures in nulsec space). There will always be the odd insta-locking interceptors out and about, but those tend to be mercifully infrequent. Good luck, and don't despair!
Silvara Nocturn Nocturn Industries 21	Posted - 2013.03.30 19:05:00 - [15] - Quote Go to high-sec and look for something blingy and expensive. Gank it with fellow brave newbies and your efficiency is fixed.
Khalid DeCroix MADPVP Mad Citizens 1	Posted - 2013.03.31 05:50:00 - [16] - Quote To date, I don't think I've lost a ratting ship to pvp whilst actually ratting. I have, however, lost at least half a dozen or more battleships to not turning on the tank as well as several in missions. And yet, my ratting raven survived by cloaking up 3km off a vagabond in 0.0 when I was a nub. It's EvE; you lose ships :D The solo life is hard. I've been randomly solo pvp'ing off and on over the years, and it really just comes down to picking your fights if you want to win more often than not. Most ships I lose anymore are typically because I decided to engage something that I didn't really understand the capabilities of (Navy Comet 300+ dps frigate cough cough,) things that had a fair chance of killing me, and on occasion when things are obviously a trap. Learning to identify those situations, and either avoiding them/turning them in your favor, will bring your efficiency up. The pilot you're blapping is also almost as important as the shiptype. Some of my more recent kills wouldn't/couldn't have happened if the pilot had been more experienced and/or better fit. So keep an eye on that as well :D That dram pilot with an OGB is going to be hard to kill compared to a noob in a ruppy.
Salmuus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.03.31 13:51:00 - [17] - Quote Here's a hint, join RvB.
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 330	Posted - 2013.04.01 01:05:00 - [18] - Quote Problem 1: You're on a killboard. Learn to not care, it's the key to being an adult. And if you're generally an adult having a good time, you'll enjoy Eve a lot more, it's not targeted to the teenagers looking for a substitute for real sports that a lot of your FPS and RTS usual suspects are. Problem 2: You're mostly soloing. Join FW or, if you want your PvP more compartmentalized and your high-sec activities safer, join RvB so you have other people to fail or succeed with. It's a multiplayer game. Problem 3: You think dying = failure. If you're having fun flying around, this is not the case. You've input nothing but time, and in return have learned valuable imaginary lessons (albeit the hard way), that time back in entertainment, and lost nothing but an imaginary spaceship.
Haedonism Bot Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective 233	Posted - 2013.04.01 01:22:00 - [19] - Quote Salmuus wrote: Here's a hint, join RvB. ^^^ If KB efficiency is what you want, join RvB, fly something cheap, tanky, and low on the opposing FCs priority list, like a Punisher. Join lots of fleets and ***** every killmail. You'll be isk positive in no time. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2013.04.01 01:42:00 - [20] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: Here's my thoughts on the subject: - Vimsu's post was the most important one here, let me elaborate. The trick to winning is not learning how to kill but it's learning how not to BE killed, I know that sounds real Zen like but it's true. Once you learn how to avoid stuff you can't handle and stop making the wrong decisions you stop dying so much and all of a sudden your KB stats (as if they matter) get better. Also, if you learn to survive more you end up with more kills because of it. And that means skills training as well. Was recently in a couple of corps (not good fits) and in each there were pilots who raced in as quickly as they could to fly and shoot. Gunnery V. Check. Can gloat of high DPS. Check. Can fly a battlecruiser (multiple factions even). Check. So what went wrong? Shield skills not even leveled to 4. Pop. Survival is v-e-r-y important, as various roles it's even essential. You will have to survive long enough for your team to get there to help, and long enough to enjoy a kill. KB efficiency also is more than just who had the highest scores. Logi pilots, for example, will rarely get on them (more on losses), but they play an essential role. What's important is to look at the KB for the roles. If you're a tank, don't worry about the kill ratio as your role is to withstand the attack so the DPS can be free to down the targets. Even for DPS you'll have different roles, and you won't always get the top kill ratio. Teamplay is about sharing the load, and that also means the glory. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Pitrolo Orti State Protectorate Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.04.01 06:50:00 - [21] - Quote You need to be space rich to PvP...that is the sad part...dont even bother about it yet...just train and try to make isk to blow it up in PvP Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
Haedonism Bot Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective 233	Posted - 2013.04.01 09:43:00 - [22] - Quote Pitrolo Orti wrote: You need to be space rich to PvP...that is the sad part...dont even bother about it yet You ought to be banned for posting like that in New Player Q&A. OP, do not listen to that guy - you can PvP day 1, and you do not need to be rich. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 817	Posted - 2013.04.01 09:49:00 - [23] - Quote Haedonism Bot wrote: Pitrolo Orti wrote: You need to be space rich to PvP...that is the sad part...dont even bother about it yet You ought to be banned for posting like that in New Player Q&A. OP, do not listen to that guy - you can PvP day 1, and you do not need to be rich. Quite, you don't need to be rich at all. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish
Beckie DeLey Living From Scraps 416	Posted - 2013.04.01 09:52:00 - [24] - Quote Pitrolo Orti wrote: You need to be space rich to PvP...that is the sad part...dont even bother about it yet...just train and try to make isk to blow it up in PvP You can fit PVP frigates from day one for 1 mill a pop. Once you got some skills, you can routinely fly competitive PVP frigs at 10 mill each, including T2 guns and all. Yeah, i'm sure that's only doable by being space rich. Get out. So... i started an industry blog at www.derbk.com/eve. Updated almost thrice a year! Also, i am prettier than Saskia. True story. But don't tell her, little princess is sensitive.
Shao Huang University of Caille Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.04.01 11:52:00 - [25] - Quote On the upside you went from 3-13 to 6-16 in a month. That is a successful learning curve if you consider the ISK and such n investment. :). Puts you at 1:1 in a couple of months. Faster if you can implement the survival advice given above. :) Personally I cannot even fly around minimally or duel yet without just reasonably expecting to die which was easy to demonstrate to myself. :)
Skurja Volpar Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 52	Posted - 2013.04.01 12:38:00 - [26] - Quote Haedonism Bot wrote: Salmuus wrote: Here's a hint, join RvB. ^^^ If KB efficiency is what you want, join RvB, fly something cheap, tanky, and low on the opposing FCs priority list, like a Punisher. Join lots of fleets and ***** every killmail. You'll be isk positive in no time. This tbh, a couple of RvB fleet engagements a week and you can solo-whelp yourself all day long the rest of the time without worrying about your KB looking awful. Might also have enough fun that you can stop worrying some K/D ratio at all
J'Poll The Fiction Factory Tribal Band 2027	Posted - 2013.04.01 12:46:00 - [27] - Quote Pitrolo Orti wrote: You need to be space rich to PvP...that is the sad part...dont even bother about it yet...just train and try to make isk to blow it up in PvP ^ OP...don't make the same stupid mistake as that. YOu really don't need to be space rich to PvP...you can PvP when ever you want, you only have to match your PvP style with the money you have...so no dropping Titans on everything in low-sec when you can barely make 10mil ISK / month Typical CCP. Giving away new clothes but don't have the forums ready to show them. I feel naked.
Shaxx Traitoris 1	Posted - 2013.04.01 13:08:00 - [28] - Quote Ice Brewer wrote: Spent the past month getting back into the game, and I've been trying to get into pvp and improve - The problem is, I'm just not. And here's what's disheartened me the most: http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1444675 9.33%. I know what your going to say, killboards aren't important, just have fun, etc... But honestly, having such a dreadful ratio is really making me feel like I'm failing massively without any improvement :/ I've been soloing, with the odd fleet, but still have the bullshit that is my 9.33% looming over me. Someone tell me to stop focusing on it so much -.- A less than stellar kill death ratio is to be expected when first starting out. It will improve with time and research. This will even be shown on that board as it appears to record statistics on several intervals and not just your all time record. That said, solo roams are not good starting points for new players, in any game really. You learn by experience, certainly, but who said it had to just be your experience? A corp with daily player versus player fleets will boost your game mechanic acumen and general ability over time with the sharing of ideas. I also recommend recording your fights to watch later and review your performance and that of your opponent more closely. When you win, look for what you did right and what the enemy did wrong in the engagement. When you lose look for what you did wrong and the enemy did right. Another important note is that defeat has meaning and is important for growth. It is an opportunity to become stronger by learning from your mistakes. Victory is meaningless without defeat, life pointless without death. When there is no risk, there is no game. Something else to bring up is that even the most detailed killboards do not tell the whole story. In an example let us say a player has a 30 to 1 kill death ratio and you think 'nice score'. What it does not show is that he hates dying so much that when he does, he rage quits and leaves his corporation hanging in critical engagements to protect that score and his ego.
Fractal Muse Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 249	Posted - 2013.04.01 14:58:00 - [29] - Quote There is only one question you should be asking yourself Brewer: Are you having fun? If the answer is yes then your "killboard ratio" (one day you will realize that this is a totally useless stat) doesn't matter. If the answer is no then your "killboard ratio" doesn't matter.
Kahega Amielden Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 684	Posted - 2013.04.01 15:38:00 - [30] - Quote For the most part you seem to be losing to ships that are, in general, going to beat a Merlin solo. You have losses to a couple other Merlins, but other than that your losses are to faction frigates, pirate faction frigates, destroyers, cruisers, and battlecruisers. you're being ballsy, and thats a good thing. However, you need to pick your targets to some degree. Sometimes you are fighting at an advantage and sometimes you are fighting at a disadvantage, but you always need to be aware of what your opponent is flying and how to counteract it. in a Merlin, you have short range, good damage, and good tank. This means that you need to be picking targets whose faces you can hug and blap off. If you are fighting something that has better range projection than you do and is able to keep range you don't have much of a chance. Case in point: the rail Daredevil you died to. Daredevils have **** for tank despite being incredibly expensive, but blasters have little range and with 90% webs he has a major speed advantage. You did have a shot, however. If you managed to start the fight at zero on him, overheat your prop mod and stay on him as long as you possibly could you might've overcome his weak tank before he could create enough distance. Later, you died to an Algos. The primary advantage you, as a frigate, have over a destroyer is mobility. Destroyers are slow as balls. However, you need to be up in an Algos' face to do damage to it anyway, and its drones are going to hit you no matter what. You might've actually won this if he was railgun-fit and you were able to get close to break his tracking. However, otherwise, in a pure slugfest, destroyers will win. Other times, you engaged cruisers. Doing this is very risky because in addition to various anti-frigate weapons (such as neuts, webs, drones..), cruisers are tanky enough that they have all the time in the world to call in backup (whereas a frigate fight is usually over quickly). Unless you have reason to believe that the cruiser pilot is solo and in a ship that wouldn't have an easy time dealing with you, engaging a cruiser is very dangerous. If a cruiser is solo, however, particularly if it's one that doesn't have utility highs for neuts or a good drone bay, you stand a rather decent chance in a frigate. Anyway, don't lose hope. You're flying solo in t1 frigates, which is pretty much hard mode. An ISK efficiency of 50% solo is very difficult to achieve even for veterans. It's not unreasonable for a new player, flying t2-fit ships against superior odds, to have worse luck. However, it will give you plenty of experience in fighting outmatched and give you a good feel for what your ship is capable of and what you can take on. Just make sure that every time you die, you understand why you die and how it could've been avoided and you will improve. The same ballsiness that seems to be your downfall today will make you great tomorrow.

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