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BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:23:00 - [1] Edited by: BOOFER on 04/09/2005 23:28:05 Its my duty to inform you that your descion to set 2 corps in SE to KOs results in MASS now being KOS to all SE. That is all Boofer CEO - Federation of Freedom Fighters Minister of Foreign Affairs - Stain Empire _______________________________________________
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:26:00 - [2] \o/ need a sig? Gallery Contact me for more information
Khirzan Wolfson	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:29:00 - [3] And then the streets ran red with blood......OF MASS -Khirzan Wolfson SE Senator C/O, Personnel The Taining Corp
Dominating	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:34:00 - [4] Ave it!
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:34:00 - [5] So its a civil-war then...... MASS has always been stain. By the way, you gonna need some good commanders against MASS, your in for some good fights. So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:41:00 - [6] then so be it....
UnIQu3	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:42:00 - [7] Boofer and cujo... so arrogants...
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:43:00 - [8] Time to up the anne... now things get interesting
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:44:00 - [9] Originally by: UnIQu3 Boofer and cujo... so arrogants... Arrogant is waiting for Stain Empire to rebuild and become strong again and then declare yourself Emporer. Without lifting a finger to help. _______________________________________________
Zerodragoon	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:44:00 - [10] Originally by: UnIQu3 Boofer and cujo... so arrogants... Pray tell if that is arrogance, what was Triggers "SE I'm taking all your crap and form a new alliance you have a week to join or get out" post? -------
Galde	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:45:00 - [11] \o/ see ya on the battle field
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:45:00 - [12] Let's see if I get this straight, we are arrogant because we refuse to let you KOS any members of the Stain Empire? Coalition and friends, take note. You will not be supported in the future should someone go after just you and not all of your alliance. Nice friends. New Sig to come to a theatre near you. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Zerodragoon Originally by: UnIQu3 Boofer and cujo... so arrogants... Pray tell if that is arrogance, what was Triggers "SE I'm taking all your crap and form a new alliance you have a week to join or get out" post? Actually it was, you have 7 days or contact and we'll talk. There was no Join us. I'll also point out that their 7 days was actually less then 7 hours. New Sig to come to a theatre near you. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
Pathfinda75	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:48:00 - [14] Originally by: UnIQu3 Boofer and cujo... so arrogants... LOL. Get a clue.
corporal hicks	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:49:00 - [15] Originally by: BOOFER Its my duty to inform you that your descion to set 2 corps in SE to KOs results in MASS now being KOS to all SE. That is all Boofer CEO - Federation of Freedom Fighters Minister of Foreign Affairs - Stain Empire Is this you speaking on behalf of SE this time Boofer or taking it upon yourself to do stuff only for emporer Cujo to overule you later? " Stay Frosty "
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:50:00 - [16] Originally by: corporal hicks Originally by: BOOFER Its my duty to inform you that your descion to set 2 corps in SE to KOs results in MASS now being KOS to all SE. That is all Boofer CEO - Federation of Freedom Fighters Minister of Foreign Affairs - Stain Empire Is this you speaking on behalf of SE this time Boofer or taking it upon yourself to do stuff only for emporer Cujo to overule you later? hes speaking for all cujo is in the same ts channel as me need a sig? Gallery Contact me for more information
Richard Dawkins	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:55:00 - [17] The two most inept CEOs in EVE battle for leadership of the most inept alliance in EVE. This is all just so delicious.
Zhav	Posted - 2005.09.04 23:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Richard Dawkins The two most inept CEOs in EVE battle for leadership of the most inept alliance in EVE. This is all just so delicious. _____ Breaking News: YARRR!!!
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.09.05 00:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Richard Dawkins The two most inept CEOs in EVE battle for leadership of the most inept alliance in EVE. This is all just so delicious. At least you are impartial with your critiquing. New Sig to come to a theatre near you. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.05 00:35:00 - [20] Edited by: BOOFER on 05/09/2005 00:37:53 Originally by: corporal hicks Originally by: BOOFER Its my duty to inform you that your descion to set 2 corps in SE to KOs results in MASS now being KOS to all SE. That is all Boofer CEO - Federation of Freedom Fighters Minister of Foreign Affairs - Stain Empire Is this you speaking on behalf of SE this time Boofer or taking it upon yourself to do stuff only for emporer Cujo to overule you later? For someone so high in FIX you are certainly ill informed. I direct you to my post to FIX on your forums regarding that matter. Regarding this, yes its official. _______________________________________________
Oohwha Schipperman	Posted - 2005.09.05 00:39:00 - [21] Wait a sec, we've got a "Stain Empire" and a new IGA calling itself the "Stain Allaince?" What the hell is an "allaince?"

Abdalion	Posted - 2005.09.05 00:44:00 - [22] Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman Wait a sec, we've got a "Stain Empire" and a new IGA calling itself the "Stain Allaince?" What the hell is an "allaince?" Enough on that topic. Do not try to derail this thread. -- I ♥ You.... ® Shepherd of the [23]

Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.09.05 00:47:00 - [23] Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/09/2005 00:47:10 Originally by: BOOFER For someone so high in FIX you are certainly ill informed. I direct you to my post to FIX on your forums regarding that matter. Regarding this, yes its official. Actually Boofer you are slightly behind events in this case.... Corporal Hicks is no longer in FIX, neither am I for that matter. Don't think there has been a single FIX post in either of the the two threads regarding Stain events... except one perhaps to comment on the fact that he had gotten the beers and popcorn out... --- Avast, prepare to be boarded ---
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.05 00:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/09/2005 00:47:10 Originally by: BOOFER For someone so high in FIX you are certainly ill informed. I direct you to my post to FIX on your forums regarding that matter. Regarding this, yes its official. Actually Boofer you are slightly behind events in this case.... Corporal Hicks is no longer in FIX, neither am I for that matter. Don't think there has been a single FIX post in either of the the two threads regarding Stain events... except one perhaps to comment on the fact that he had gotten the beers and popcorn out... That explains it Thought he seemed to be extremely ill informed about the matters he was refering to. _______________________________________________
Psych0	Posted - 2005.09.05 00:57:00 - [25] Because of this response SA would like every corp in SE that for some reason doesnt want to fight us atm to contact MASS. Because of this action we now have to presume that you will fight us if you dont contact us.
Xendie	Posted - 2005.09.05 00:59:00 - [26] shouldnt it have been the "minister of internal affairs" that should have posted this thread as its very much a internal stain matter?
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2005.09.05 01:07:00 - [27] Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 05/09/2005 00:37:53 Originally by: corporal hicks Originally by: BOOFER Its my duty to inform you that your descion to set 2 corps in SE to KOs results in MASS now being KOS to all SE. That is all Boofer CEO - Federation of Freedom Fighters Minister of Foreign Affairs - Stain Empire Is this you speaking on behalf of SE this time Boofer or taking it upon yourself to do stuff only for emporer Cujo to overule you later? For someone so high in FIX you are certainly ill informed. I direct you to my post to FIX on your forums regarding that matter. Regarding this, yes its official. ummm...... --------------------------------------------- "Taking one for the team one ship at a time."
Archonon	Posted - 2005.09.05 01:15:00 - [28] Omg Fun in the South - thx trigger
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.09.05 01:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Xendie shouldnt it have been the "minister of internal affairs" that should have posted this thread as its very much a internal stain matter? mass is stain in name only, in reality they are a has been corp trying to get back thier glory need a sig? Gallery Contact me for more information
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.09.05 01:30:00 - [30] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/09/2005 01:29:53 Three words: CIVIL WAR 4TW Good luck, to both sides. -- Proud member of the [23]. Selling Capital Cargo Bays and Kernite Mining Crystal IIs, cheaper than anyone else.
corporal hicks	Posted - 2005.09.05 01:32:00 - [31] Originally by: BOOFER Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/09/2005 00:47:10 Originally by: BOOFER For someone so high in FIX you are certainly ill informed. I direct you to my post to FIX on your forums regarding that matter. Regarding this, yes its official. Actually Boofer you are slightly behind events in this case.... Corporal Hicks is no longer in FIX, neither am I for that matter. Don't think there has been a single FIX post in either of the the two threads regarding Stain events... except one perhaps to comment on the fact that he had gotten the beers and popcorn out... That explains it Thought he seemed to be extremely ill informed about the matters he was refering to. Yeah really I am so uninformed let me break it down for you in laymans terms. You made a offer. Fix debated. Fix made a Counter offer. You accepted. Fix and you had a agreement. Cujo over ruled you. You came to FIX and said you acted beyond your autority. Fix thought you ok. ( I however did not and expect a diplomat to have all the facts before making offers he cant fulfull. ) Fix thought Cujo a moron. Nuff Said as regards your Empire, I can see it falling very soon. " Stay Frosty "
Khirzan Wolfson	Posted - 2005.09.05 01:34:00 - [32] MASS has not been a part of SE for a bit....therefore I do not think of this as a "civil War" its more of an attempted hostile takeover. -Khirzan Wolfson SE Senator C/O, Personnel The Taining Corp
Random	Posted - 2005.09.05 01:46:00 - [33] Originally by: FalloutBoy Originally by: Xendie shouldnt it have been the "minister of internal affairs" that should have posted this thread as its very much a internal stain matter? mass is stain in name only, in reality they are a has been corp trying to get back thier glory I sugest that u relax a little, its a game where each and every1 has to provide there own funn, and this is what we whant to do, with u or with out u. I frankly still like many of the Species ppl and i wuld wish that they wuld joine us on our quest to reform the OLD SA. But u usly cant have the cake and eat it at the same time, and so be it. Whining about it dosent change anything, exept ppls opinion about u. For the Species 5618 crew, i wish u luck and hope that this unexpected turn of event will provide u with loads of funn in the future. After all its just a game ;)
TIvian	Posted - 2005.09.05 01:46:00 - [34] Edited by: TIvian on 05/09/2005 01:47:22 Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 04/09/2005 23:28:05 Its my duty to inform you that your descion to set 2 corps in SE to KOs results in MASS now being KOS to all SE. That is all Boofer CEO - Federation of Freedom Fighters Minister of Foreign Affairs - Stain Empire Not a wise move. Your going to try and fight people with at least 2 years in pvp in this game. Cutting their pvp teeth with the Curse Alliance. I know MASS and I know Trigger Aryen and Dalman. my money lies with them. NOT to mention that it is their home..which makes them the Home Team. Never thought much of the Stain Empire....it was nothing compared to SA. BY the way guys from SA.....I STILL SAY YOU BLEW IT BY LETTING GO OF OMEGA CORP!YAARRRR!! I say! OH Curse Alliance how I miss you. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.09.05 01:56:00 - [35] Originally by: TIvian Edited by: TIvian on 05/09/2005 01:47:22 Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 04/09/2005 23:28:05 Its my duty to inform you that your descion to set 2 corps in SE to KOs results in MASS now being KOS to all SE. That is all Boofer CEO - Federation of Freedom Fighters Minister of Foreign Affairs - Stain Empire Not a wise move. Your going to try and fight people with at least 2 years in pvp in this game. Cutting their pvp teeth with the Curse Alliance. I know MASS and I know Trigger Aryen and Dalman. my money lies with them. NOT to mention that it is their home..which makes them the Home Team. Never thought much of the Stain Empire....it was nothing compared to SA. BY the way guys from SA.....I STILL SAY YOU BLEW IT BY LETTING GO OF OMEGA CORP!YAARRRR!! I say! OH Curse Alliance how I miss you. species, foff, priory, and many other stain corps have just as much experience need a sig? Gallery Contact me for more information
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.09.05 02:08:00 - [36] Edited by: Alowishus on 05/09/2005 02:11:30 Sounds like we're about to have a cripple fight on our hands. I think Cujo and Trigg should 1v1. Two men(?), two ships, two egos and two e-peens, winner takes all. As a side note, since people point out that Trigg has done nothing for SE lately, I'm wondering what Cujo has done, other than get rich off the 50 mil a month per corp (or around two billion isk per month)? And what about the Alliance Mining ops Amarr CEO always ordered (but said in CEO chat he didn't have to show up to), what happened to those mins? I'm glad I'm no longer in an alliance that is totally based on giving 3-4 people new toys to play with in a video game. I hope you all enjoy slaving for Cujo's Outpost and Capitol Ships. Hang on guys, I'm getting crushed by the Internet Egos of middle aged virgins.
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.09.05 02:13:00 - [37] Originally by: Alowishus Hang on guys, I'm getting crushed by the Internet Egos of middle aged virgins. well cujo has a son so I don't think thats the case need a sig? Gallery Contact me for more information
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.09.05 02:14:00 - [38] I think I speak for everyone when I say.. lolololololol Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
Band Zior	Posted - 2005.09.05 02:15:00 - [39] Alowishus for president! I love his posts. Both in substance & style. ---------- Richard Simmons in Space
Aeryn Sun	Posted - 2005.09.05 02:21:00 - [40] Boofer.. common man. "Wait for SE to rebuild". You know how much trigger put into rebuilding it in the first place. How can you say this ****? When we left SE was on a good roll. No big war to name really, plenty of space and resources, infrastructure on its way etc. etc. What happened? Who was left in charge? Just keep finger pointing elsewhere man. trigger nor I did nothing wrong, we have always been super loyal to Stain Alliance, and prev to these posts to Stain Empire as well. Everyone know this.. usually our involvement and dedication has been at the expense of our corps. Thats why we had to leave.. our corps were dying because we worked ALL the time for SE. GRRRR... But enough about that. I'm sure you are fully aware of this. Lets keep this Civil. /Aeryn Sun
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2005.09.05 02:23:00 - [41] Edited by: Bared Bel''Medar on 05/09/2005 02:32:59 Edited by: Bared Bel''Medar on 05/09/2005 02:31:23 Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 04/09/2005 23:28:05 Its my duty to inform you that your descion to set 2 corps in SE to KOs results in MASS now being KOS to all SE. That is all Boofer CEO - Federation of Freedom Fighters Minister of Foreign Affairs - Stain Empire Rofl! Welcome to a personal hell only a few insiders of the Old Stain know. You have Aeryn Against you, you have TRIGGER against you. You have Wolfman against you. and now, You'll have me to deal with. You'll have me and my little suprise at your through within 2 weeks. Just like old times. Just a little message to the old OC/SPRUM: You were right guys. Now if only we could get your old commanders back ingame and with SA, we'd have a 8th hell for those ruffians who call themselves pilots. To TIvian: It was once said that the only man who could break stain was Duke Droklar, and noly with OC at his back. That was me. I intend to prove myself wrong. By the way, I'd be interested to see exactly what my old Arch Enemy has to say on this turn of events? Perhaps a return for this little event is instore for you as well? Perhaps you'll join SE and give me the decent fight I crave and I whole heardely doubt SE can provide. Perhaps you'll fight with the Stain Alliance once again, and we'll have an oppertunity to put ourr grevances asside and fight the same foe? My war with Stain is like the super hero who screws responsibility and takes up knitting.
Cummilla	Posted - 2005.09.05 02:29:00 - [42] Originally by: DigitalCommunist I think I speak for everyone when I say.. lolololololol F3ckin A man...exactly my thoughts. I'm not on either "side" atm but you know, it takes about a ounce of imagination to see how the "sides" in this thing could get bigger fast. Hell, just look at the geography of the situation. Add that to who's been ninja shooting who /me points at MASS ---> ASCN, and then finally, know that CPEWN to OMIST is shorter than Catch, Impass, and then Omist.
Trina Tron	Posted - 2005.09.05 02:33:00 - [43] Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 04/09/2005 23:28:05 Its my duty to inform you that your descion to set 2 corps in SE to KOs results in MASS now being KOS to all SE. That is all Boofer CEO - Federation of Freedom Fighters Minister of Foreign Affairs - Stain Empire ROLF I cant believe your ego boofer setting mass (GREATS CORP EVERAR!!!!one!!111!!!) to kos. I mean what do you think this is like a allaince or something?
Kozlack	Posted - 2005.09.05 02:54:00 - [44] All of you talk too much.
DarkZaion	Posted - 2005.09.05 03:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Aeryn Sun Boofer.. common man. "Wait for SE to rebuild". You know how much trigger put into rebuilding it in the first place. How can you say this ****? When we left SE was on a good roll. No big war to name really, plenty of space and resources, infrastructure on its way etc. etc. What happened? Who was left in charge? Just keep finger pointing elsewhere man. trigger nor I did nothing wrong, we have always been super loyal to Stain Alliance, and prev to these posts to Stain Empire as well. Everyone know this.. usually our involvement and dedication has been at the expense of our corps. Thats why we had to leave.. our corps were dying because we worked ALL the time for SE. GRRRR... But enough about that. I'm sure you are fully aware of this. Lets keep this Civil. /Aeryn Sun i realy dont get it... u guys left us at hard times... war with fix, cele and pirates inside stain we was attack left, right and center. i know at the end of ca war u had rl problem so u wasnt online... "Wait for SE to rebuild" we sure had a hard time rebuilding... i had many chance to leave stain... (was offered to join -v-) but i didnt becuz i want to fight for thing im loyal to...Stain i understand why u guys left and its cool.. just so lame u guys didnt find any other way... to come back p.s. alot plp gave all the time to stain and still have....
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2005.09.05 03:16:00 - [46] Originally by: DarkZaion Originally by: Aeryn Sun Boofer.. common man. "Wait for SE to rebuild". You know how much trigger put into rebuilding it in the first place. How can you say this ****? When we left SE was on a good roll. No big war to name really, plenty of space and resources, infrastructure on its way etc. etc. What happened? Who was left in charge? Just keep finger pointing elsewhere man. trigger nor I did nothing wrong, we have always been super loyal to Stain Alliance, and prev to these posts to Stain Empire as well. Everyone know this.. usually our involvement and dedication has been at the expense of our corps. Thats why we had to leave.. our corps were dying because we worked ALL the time for SE. GRRRR... But enough about that. I'm sure you are fully aware of this. Lets keep this Civil. /Aeryn Sun i realy dont get it... u guys left us at hard times... war with fix, cele and pirates inside stain we was attack left, right and center. i know at the end of ca war u had rl problem so u wasnt online... "Wait for SE to rebuild" we sure had a hard time rebuilding... i had many chance to leave stain... (was offered to join -v-) but i didnt becuz i want to fight for thing im loyal to...Stain i understand why u guys left and its cool.. just so lame u guys didnt find any other way... to come back p.s. alot plp gave all the time to stain and still have.... "SE" is behoven to MASS, The Collective, Intergalactic Serenity, Oberon Incorporated, m0o, Storm Guard Elite, Omega Corp, Solarwind, Setenta Corp, Everlasting Vendetta, Galactic Foreign Legion, Kirushi Group, Interstellar Elite, Second Wave Inc, Tyrell Corp and Sol'Invictus. They made Stain. the rest are just like renters who need eviction. My war with Stain is like the super hero who screws responsibility and takes up knitting.
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.09.05 03:16:00 - [47] Edited by: Nick Curso on 05/09/2005 03:16:41 Gratitued MASS/Collective/SGE and others have done nothing for stain nothing at all ure all right. We did first move into that spa ce and create the allaiance run it and defend it for 2 years nope nothing at all were all evil.
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.05 03:20:00 - [48] Originally by: Aeryn Sun Boofer.. common man. "Wait for SE to rebuild". You know how much trigger put into rebuilding it in the first place. How can you say this ****? When we left SE was on a good roll. No big war to name really, plenty of space and resources, infrastructure on its way etc. etc. What happened? Who was left in charge? Just keep finger pointing elsewhere man. trigger nor I did nothing wrong, we have always been super loyal to Stain Alliance, and prev to these posts to Stain Empire as well. Everyone know this.. usually our involvement and dedication has been at the expense of our corps. Thats why we had to leave.. our corps were dying because we worked ALL the time for SE. GRRRR... But enough about that. I'm sure you are fully aware of this. Lets keep this Civil. /Aeryn Sun Your contributions of the past will never be in dispute. Till the end of Curse alliance none could ever speak ill of you or Trigger. When MASS, Species and Collective departed they took with them the majority of the pvpers and most of the leaders. As a result SE fell into chaos and it was other people who worked as you used to tty to bring this alliance up from the depths. With the reintergration of Species, SE finally had the bolster it needed again to rebuild and in that time SE has structured and grown to what we are today. That is due to the people who worked tirelessly to make it what it is now from when you all left. Now SE is strong again. Once again we can hold our heads up through our own work, not yours. And you want to simply takeover? What has Trigger done, what have you done to build the SE that exists today, from the chaos after you left. What right do you have to demand suddenly to just take what we have sweated and bled over and make it yours and change it as you see fit? I too have worked myself to the deficet of my corp and myself to better this alliance. And I see no reason to roll over for the "old guard" and their alliarance. Loyalty is for ever, not just when you feel like it. Boofer _______________________________________________
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2005.09.05 03:25:00 - [49] Edited by: Bared Bel''Medar on 05/09/2005 03:26:08 Originally by: BOOFER Originally by: Aeryn Sun Boofer.. common man. "Wait for SE to rebuild". You know how much trigger put into rebuilding it in the first place. How can you say this ****? When we left SE was on a good roll. No big war to name really, plenty of space and resources, infrastructure on its way etc. etc. What happened? Who was left in charge? Just keep finger pointing elsewhere man. trigger nor I did nothing wrong, we have always been super loyal to Stain Alliance, and prev to these posts to Stain Empire as well. Everyone know this.. usually our involvement and dedication has been at the expense of our corps. Thats why we had to leave.. our corps were dying because we worked ALL the time for SE. GRRRR... But enough about that. I'm sure you are fully aware of this. Lets keep this Civil. /Aeryn Sun Your contributions of the past will never be in dispute. Till the end of Curse alliance none could ever speak ill of you or Trigger. When MASS, Species and Collective departed they took with them the majority of the pvpers and most of the leaders. As a result SE fell into chaos and it was other people who worked as you used to tty to bring this alliance up from the depths. With the reintergration of Species, SE finally had the bolster it needed again to rebuild and in that time SE has structured and grown to what we are today. That is due to the people who worked tirelessly to make it what it is now from when you all left. Now SE is strong again. Once again we can hold our heads up through our own work, not yours. And you want to simply takeover? What has Trigger done, what have you done to build the SE that exists today, from the chaos after you left. What right do you have to demand suddenly to just take what we have sweated and bled over and make it yours and change it as you see fit? I too have worked myself to the deficet of my corp and myself to better this alliance. And I see no reason to roll over for the "old guard" and their alliarance. Loyalty is for ever, not just when you feel like it. Boofer poor boofer. Poor poor boofer. I'll have a special place for you. Oh, how I'll relish the war, the carnage, the VINDICATION!. its over man, its all over. P.S. As I said, SE is bohoven to those you are fighting, it is my hope OI and IGS will return home. Razzil, forget not who your friends are. My war with Stain is like the super hero who screws responsibility and takes up knitting.
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.09.05 03:53:00 - [50] Originally by: BOOFER What has Trigger done, what have you done to build the SE that exists today, from the chaos after you left. hmmm there is something I need to get off my chest here.... you ask what did Trigger do for SE? When the coalition corporations rejoined SE, FIX and Coalition were mid-war..... the ONLY reason FIX did not continue to pursue this war and carry the war over to SE was one single reason.... Trigger and Mass were watching over the situation.... Trigger and Mass had the political backing of the powers that be in the south... It was this reason and this reason only that an uneasy peace followed. FIX at this point was strong enough to tear SE a new one... make no mistake about that. The reason this is important to me is that the decision to make peace with SE at the request of others, had a huge impact on affairs within FIX. If nothing else SE has to thank Trigger/Mass for the fact that you were spared a war you could not win. --- Avast, prepare to be boarded ---
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.05 03:56:00 - [51] Edited by: BOOFER on 05/09/2005 04:03:19 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: BOOFER What has Trigger done, what have you done to build the SE that exists today, from the chaos after you left. hmmm there is something I need to get off my chest here.... you ask what did Trigger do for SE? When the coalition corporations rejoined SE, FIX and Coalition were mid-war..... the ONLY reason FIX did not continue to pursue this war and carry the war over to SE was one single reason.... Trigger and Mass were watching over the situation.... Trigger and Mass had the political backing of the powers that be in the south... It was this reason and this reason only that an uneasy peace followed. FIX at this point was strong enough to tear SE a new one... make no mistake about that. The reason this is important to me is that the decision to make peace with SE at the request of others, had a huge impact on affairs within FIX. If nothing else SE has to thank Trigger/Mass for the fact that you were spared a war you could not win. Oh Im sorry I was under the impression that the Coalition alone had taken back FAT and had pushed you back into youre own space around your existing stations. I had also though at that time you were reduced to fighting in frigs due to such heavy losses. I guess thats my mistake mate, sorry. Edit : Can you give me the name of the doctor who gave you the beer goggle laser surgery... I want the same. Boofer _______________________________________________
S3VYN	Posted - 2005.09.05 04:04:00 - [52] Originally by: BOOFER Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: BOOFER What has Trigger done, what have you done to build the SE that exists today, from the chaos after you left. hmmm there is something I need to get off my chest here.... you ask what did Trigger do for SE? When the coalition corporations rejoined SE, FIX and Coalition were mid-war..... the ONLY reason FIX did not continue to pursue this war and carry the war over to SE was one single reason.... Trigger and Mass were watching over the situation.... Trigger and Mass had the political backing of the powers that be in the south... It was this reason and this reason only that an uneasy peace followed. FIX at this point was strong enough to tear SE a new one... make no mistake about that. The reason this is important to me is that the decision to make peace with SE at the request of others, had a huge impact on affairs within FIX. If nothing else SE has to thank Trigger/Mass for the fact that you were spared a war you could not win. Oh Im sorry I was under the impression that the Coalition alone had taken back FAT and had pushed you back into youre own space around your existing stations. I had also though at that time you were reduced to fighting in frigs due to such heavy losses. I guess thats my mistake mate, sorry. Nez is right. Nez and I didn't part ways on the best terms but I hold him in nothing but the absolute highest regards AND I contend that he has more personal knowledge about these happenings than anyone else. If you think SE had any sort of "success" in that event, you and I define success quite differently. Nothing bad to say about you Boofer, nothing at all. I would have valued you as an ally during my time in EVE. The same doesn't go for SE. I am NOT a FIX representative, btw. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.09.05 04:05:00 - [53] Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/09/2005 04:15:41 Originally by: BOOFER Oh Im sorry I was under the impression that the Coalition alone had taken back FAT and had pushed you back into youre own space around your existing stations. I had also though at that time you were reduced to fighting in frigs due to such heavy losses. I guess thats my mistake mate, sorry. Yes you are right it is your mistake, you are sorely mistaken infact. A tactical fallback was issued... FIX would have owned you in the long run... but anyways have fun P.S - You may laugh it off all you like boofer, that does not change the truth of the matter...... FIX was baying for SE/coalition blood and it was denied us, at the request of others... that is the truth.... that is what Trigger has done for you, probably the single most important thing during his sabatical. --- Avast, prepare to be boarded ---
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.05 04:16:00 - [54] Nez, S3VYN I guess we will let our guns do the talking and when this war is over you will see how big the old dogs teeth are. _______________________________________________
Xelios	Posted - 2005.09.05 04:41:00 - [55] "Tactical fallback" All I will say to the FIX issue is that you have no idea Nez how many people in MASS and the Coalition wanted nothing more than to stay and fight to the bitter end, but we were denied that just as much as you were denied your plans to bring it to SE. As for whether or not we had success in that campaign, you invaded FAT, we arrived and drove you back into your space. Call it a tactical retreat or tactical fallback or whatever you want, fact remains FAT was once again under SE/Coalition control even before the cease fire was issued. Whether or not you'd have annihalated us later on as you claim who knows, sadly we were both denied the oppertunity to find out. Were it up to me or the people in the Coalition rather than the leadership we'd have found out, but that's not the way things went down, and people are still miffed over that today. ____________________________________________________________________
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.09.05 04:51:00 - [56] Originally by: Xelios Whether or not you'd have annihalated us later on as you claim who knows, sadly we were both denied the oppertunity to find out. Were it up to me or the people in the Coalition rather than the leadership we'd have found out, but that's not the way things went down, and people are still miffed over that today. Despite the posturing etc.. what I quote from your post is pretty much exactly what the situation was in FIX. That was the point I was trying to make, believe me the effect on FIX of not being able to continue that war were very very significant.... and that it did not continue was primarily on Trigger/Mass's account..... that is a fact. --- Avast, prepare to be boarded ---
S3VYN	Posted - 2005.09.05 04:51:00 - [57] Well my guns will never again do any talking. My account expires in 5 days and I don't plan to log in between now and then nor renew my account. I just wanted to chime in and offer Nez some support, because he decided to voice something I sure had weighed on him for some time. But more on topic, the MASS vs SE thing should be a lot of fun for the rest of us, I'm sure it will be quite a bit of fun for you guys. :) Either way, everyone will be glad to see what becomes of Cujo and TR1GGER as they both have their fair share of friends and enemies in EVE. ------------------------------------- // The views expressed by this poster are not the views of the poster's corporation, alliance, planet or television network... but they should be.
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.09.05 04:55:00 - [58] Edited by: FalloutBoy on 05/09/2005 04:55:05 Originally by: Nez Perces FIX was baying for SE/coalition blood and it was denied us, at the request of others... that is the truth.... that is what Trigger has done for you, probably the single most important thing during his sabatical. I honestly don't get how you think fix was wining the war, we had retaken fat and held it for several days and we had commenced station ping poin with your southern station (forget the name now) at best it was a stalemate. need a sig? Gallery Contact me for more information
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.09.05 04:58:00 - [59] Lot of respect to Boofer for this strong move. Don't know how u mass guys can expect to stay on good terms declaring parts of the alliance kos __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Don ZOLA	Posted - 2005.09.05 04:59:00 - [60] is alliance name "Stain Allaince" typo or ? btw sounds unbeliveable , that stain has mass on KOS , it sounds even worse to me then when i heard FA and SE r kos :/ There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Felony Assualt	Posted - 2005.09.05 05:01:00 - [61] Oh god, i wish i were still in MASS. This should be very intresting. Dread Fleet 4TW! Those who can, do; Those who cant, teach
slip66	Posted - 2005.09.05 05:29:00 - [62] Originally by: TIvian Edited by: TIvian on 05/09/2005 01:47:22 Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 04/09/2005 23:28:05 Its my duty to inform you that your descion to set 2 corps in SE to KOs results in MASS now being KOS to all SE. That is all Boofer CEO - Federation of Freedom Fighters Minister of Foreign Affairs - Stain Empire Not a wise move. Your going to try and fight people with at least 2 years in pvp in this game. Cutting their pvp teeth with the Curse Alliance. I know MASS and I know Trigger Aryen and Dalman. my money lies with them. NOT to mention that it is their home..which makes them the Home Team. Never thought much of the Stain Empire....it was nothing compared to SA. BY the way guys from SA.....I STILL SAY YOU BLEW IT BY LETTING GO OF OMEGA CORP!YAARRRR!! I say! OH Curse Alliance how I miss you. hehe, nods in agreement
CopeLand	Posted - 2005.09.05 05:32:00 - [63] Edited by: CopeLand on 05/09/2005 05:48:53 Originally by: BOOFER When MASS, Species and Collective departed they took with them the majority of the pvpers and most of the leaders. As a result SE fell into chaos and it was other people who worked as you used to tty to bring this alliance up from the depths. With the reintergration of Species, SE finally had the bolster it needed again to rebuild and in that time SE has structured and grown to what we are today. That is due to the people who worked tirelessly to make it what it is now from when you all left. Now SE is strong again. Once again we can hold our heads up through our own work, not yours. And you want to simply takeover? What has Trigger done, what have you done to build the SE that exists today, from the chaos after you left. What right do you have to demand suddenly to just take what we have sweated and bled over and make it yours and change it as you see fit? I too have worked myself to the deficet of my corp and myself to better this alliance. And I see no reason to roll over for the "old guard" and their alliarance. Loyalty is for ever, not just when you feel like it. Boofer Ca went away. So did many of the old SA corps. NOw there was entity called stain empire, that held ties to all old sa corps. This entity was in no real jeopardy at any time. It held its 3 regions and catch with out anyone making any real threats to them, and that with little or no pvp corps within its ranks. FOFF and Interstellar, Setenta and PSI all had their dedicated pvpers and that was it. By no means enough to hold 3 regions and catch. Naps all around and npcs and roids for the poor ones. Over time the "rome" style corps grew balls and assaulted paragon, rubra,damage and their fa link came into play for short time in period basis. all this time connection between old sa and se was strong. Then fix happens in FAT. As expected, old sa was there and friends. Situation over. Species rejoin SE and take it over in its entire form. Now if u can agree with me so far. What has happened since and why? ATM u are making mass, col and whoever else kos along with your good buddies in Storm Guard, simply cause these corps have supported Storm guard, from my perspective, in its dispute with what i can only see as greedy, manipulative, lying, control freaked out "new" and "better", as u call it, Stain Empire. This is simply put, a dispute between Stain Empire and its former alliance member corps from old SA now reformed into a new SA. how did it happen? how did it come to this? We all know there were attempts to solve this diplomatically with a possible good outcome for all those involved. And as we all know despite your claims, Mass laid down some terms, that were accepted by SE but lay and behold that acceptance was in fact nothing more than a lie. SE did not want mass, nor storm guard back, nor did it want peace or friendship with them. so be it. Just dont paint yourself as some martyr for the working class in stain. I dont think paying 50m a week for having viiri on your ass is a good thing, nor do i think its a good thing to pay to follow the whims of a moody dictator. Ill rather pay Trigger 50m a week for classic forum posts. One of your major points seems always to be that you somehow saved stain and trigger somehow destroyed it(or am i offbase?) i ,amongst others that have chosen to speak out on the subject have to disagree with your there. Ties were strong and came best into play during the 2nd fix war. You have in stain atm a bunch of contractors making you a nice sum, you got a nice fleet together which starred in an infamous movie, and after that or around that you grew arrogant... ...to the point that it seems that you thought it was quite alright to follow in a very much personal vendetta vs old friends. The thing you did not see coming was the old glue that still exists between those old friends and other old friends. That glue is now an alliance once more
Bared Bel'Medar	Posted - 2005.09.05 05:39:00 - [64] Originally by: S3VYN Either way, everyone will be glad to see what becomes of Cujo and TR1GGER as they both have their fair share of friends and enemies in EVE. This is what it comes down to. MASS has friends from as far back as Beta. MASS has friends (and Members) like me, aeryn, Chowdown, Molle, and Jimmysav. MASS has friends in old Enemies. What has Cujo got? He had people like TRIGGER. Problem is, People liike trigger have friends like us, and it was through us that he accomplished what he did. Fallout, though I will not be in space as much as I would like, I suspect we shall meet more than once. Though, you do strike me as a fairweather combatant. When we're done calling in friends and favors, how long will you indure? I know the likes of Big, Fish, Ahab, and Prad can. Had I the power, and they were devoid the loyalty they possess (which I'm certain you lack the ability to comprehend of the importance of the loyalty of thier ilk), I'd recruit them. But as they are loyal to Species as a group, I will not be granted my wish. I will likely be granted a secong wish from them. Some of the best opponents a man could ask. the kind that dont run from a fight they know they cant win. Here's to esoteria guys. It truly saddens me to know where your loyalty stands, and the lack of pride I'm sure others have in it. My war with Stain is like the super hero who screws responsibility and takes up knitting.
Aeryn Sun	Posted - 2005.09.05 05:48:00 - [65] Edited by: Aeryn Sun on 05/09/2005 05:50:12 boofer, I have a pretty good overview of how things have been, and I am not giving any pun in regards to what people have done in the last few months. But I have to say this. We did not say one day "oh btw, we are going to leave tomorrow". There was time for the rest to deal with it before we parted. The SE we left behind, was without a doubt.. a FAR better structured and morale vise entity than it had ever been. Yes the pvpers needed a break, and we did. Most of us didn't log on for a long time. Now this is a game; We got very tired of running the alliance. I'm sure many of you can appreciate the work that is needed. Now.. few weeks ago I mention the possibility that I return to the game. Start checking out the political landscape, etc. One thing that was made very very clear by most of the people I know in SE, most of those CEO's is that things are not good. Morale is out the window, perhaps the Empire is doing good in terms of security etc down south, but people still didn't seem to feel part of a team. I'm sure many SE's can agree, no need to be vocal about it publicly, and by all means no friggin alts. The one thing that these guys said that scared me was that they wanted Cujo to hand over his seat. Most want trigger back. He's a muppet, but we all love him for it. Boofer, we've known eachother for a long time. You know that I only care about the good of Stain. It has always been like that. Those that will join us will do so because they trust us. Oh and Trigger was offered to become emperor... the title perhaps, but the offer did not include him being the true emperor. This you know. Please do not defend it. Cujo himself said that he does not want to be Emperor. Now.. is that the right response from a current head figure in an alliance? The next days will be interesting indeed. But please remember guys, we are all buddies. This is an interesting twist for sure, but be civil, and dont smack each other. At least lets find one on each side that do the smacking. I vote for Masta Killa on our side. :D cheers guys, Aeryn Sun, Fleet Admiral of the Stain Alliance (the Allaince is optional)
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.05 06:34:00 - [66] Copeland. Its 07:30am I havent slept and there are so many errors in your essay that I really havent the strength to recount them all. You honestly seem to have absolutly no idea what happened at all. Aeryn, Trigger was offered the Emporer position in its fullness. He refused. More recently we were going to make him Emporer but he started threatning us with a fight. He has had every oppertunity to take over properly, but chooses do it this way. _______________________________________________
Duke North	Posted - 2005.09.05 06:39:00 - [67] Nice to have you back Aeryn You have been away to long But it is importend to listen to both sides of the story. Regards Duke North Performing the ancient and noble art of killing eachothers.
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.09.05 06:48:00 - [68] SA was good. It was The Grand Old Alliance. First nail in SA's coffin was Exodus. It was sealed when CA died. SE is not SA. SE is something else. SE reminds me of Xetic. Later, buds.
Aeryn Sun	Posted - 2005.09.05 06:55:00 - [69] Originally by: Duke North Nice to have you back Aeryn You have been away to long But it is importend to listen to both sides of the story. Regards Duke North Hey Duke, how are ya man. Yes it is, and thats something that both sides should do. Lets have a chat soon, for old times sakes. /aeryn
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.09.05 06:55:00 - [70] Aeryn: Having read this, I can agree with a couple of things you have said. You and I seem to be looking at the same angle. What is best for Stain. So when I asked Trigger, "Are you doing this for Stain or for yourself. " he told me he was doing it for Stain. I then asked him, "How is tearing the group apart with demands and threats good for Stain." His reply is because it was his. Then I was accused of twisting his words. Maybe you can explain to me how these questions were twisted. You have brought up trust. A very solid point. How do I trust someone that threatens all of the empire, tells our leader to be prepared to shoot at our members, states he's abandoning Omist because they are not worthy and continually says one thing only to do another? It weighs on me just as it does on you Aeryn. Of all the posts I've read so far, yours has been the most reasonable. We've been accused of so much, been lied about, slandered, lied to and if that wasn't enough, those who say one thing to our faces do another. You've been there before, you know what I'm seeing as you've seen it before. All any of us want to do is what is best for Stain whether it is Stain Empire or Alliance. We have sacrificed and worked hard just as you have. In some ways, I'm thinking you are a better person then I am because hearing the lies from every side, even from people who said they were my friends has disheartened me. I really am at the point where I sit back and wonder, "Why did I do this? Why did I sacrifice and work so hard on everything just to have all of this deception happen?" You might be right, it very well might have been a far better structure when you left. It was on a fast decline when I joined. My own corp doubted Stain would last and we had many times when we nearly left. Finally, my own corp fell apart because of Real Life issues and it folded because I had put so much in to doing what I could for Stain. Now, I sit here being told I'm unworthy. Maybe you can imagine a little better why I'm doubtful of Trigger's plans. If I had thought he really had the best interests of Stain in mind, I would have worked towards helping him achieve that position. I am not in my position for any power. I am just as happy being nothing but a simple miner as long as I am able to give my all towards the alliance I am a part of. New Sig to come to a theatre near you. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
Tasai	Posted - 2005.09.05 07:23:00 - [71] Edited by: Tasai on 05/09/2005 07:23:14 1
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2005.09.05 07:24:00 - [72] Trigger/Aeryn > SE ____________ HC MasiEEE
Creamster	Posted - 2005.09.05 07:25:00 - [73] Originally by: CopeLand FOFF and Interstellar, Setenta and PSI all had their dedicated pvpers and that was it. Not quite. Our corporation [XB] has actively and pretty successfully participated in PvP within Stain boarders since the moment of joining SE. (It happened right before Trigger's departure) We were and still are a pvp-oriented organization. As far as i can tell we proved our right to be called among Stain's pvp corps a long time ago. Just fyi, dear sir < Insert your favourite punch line here >
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.09.05 07:48:00 - [74] Stop the smacking and let the guns do the talking...
Destroyer Draxx	Posted - 2005.09.05 08:06:00 - [75] Originally by: Khaerie Let's see if I get this straight, we are arrogant because we refuse to let you KOS any members of the Stain Empire? Coalition and friends, take note. You will not be supported in the future should someone go after just you and not all of your alliance. Nice friends. Oh nos. When was it that u actually suppoted us? (This is bout non coalition corps) So Far So Good....So What
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.09.05 08:45:00 - [76] SE supported Coalition? That's a laugh. I seem to remember sitting in TPAR fighting SE's battles for them against Rubra/DMGI. The only time SE supported Coalition was when Cujo took control of SE so he could fly the SE banner in FAT as a way to keep FIX out. Funny stuff. I'm still waiting for someone to address what the hell, exactly, that 2 bil a month in membership fees went to. Anyone want to touch that one?
Aeryn Sun	Posted - 2005.09.05 08:49:00 - [77] Originally by: Khaerie Aeryn: Having read this, I can agree with a couple of things you have said. You and I seem to be looking at the same angle. What is best for Stain. So when I asked Trigger, "Are you doing this for Stain or for yourself. " he told me he was doing it for Stain. I then asked him, "How is tearing the group apart with demands and threats good for Stain." His reply is because it was his. Then I was accused of twisting his words. But yes I am on board with SA because I feel it is better for Stain in the long run. I'm sure this reply from trigger is not as deep as it sounds. (no pun intended trigger hehe) He probably was tired and fed up with the discussions. But yes, who knows.. perhaps this can all be solved peacefully. We'll see. I wait more intel later today. /Aeryn
Arud	Posted - 2005.09.05 09:03:00 - [78] Originally by: BOOFER Copeland. Its 07:30am I havent slept and there are so many errors in your essay that I really havent the strength to recount them all. You honestly seem to have absolutly no idea what happened at all. Aeryn, Trigger was offered the Emporer position in its fullness. He refused. More recently we were going to make him Emporer but he started threatning us with a fight. He has had every oppertunity to take over properly, but chooses do it this way. were species ready to stand down as an executor corp? was that council of 12 ready to be disolved?
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.05 09:30:00 - [79] Originally by: Arud Originally by: BOOFER Copeland. Its 07:30am I havent slept and there are so many errors in your essay that I really havent the strength to recount them all. You honestly seem to have absolutly no idea what happened at all. Aeryn, Trigger was offered the Emporer position in its fullness. He refused. More recently we were going to make him Emporer but he started threatning us with a fight. He has had every oppertunity to take over properly, but chooses do it this way. were species ready to stand down as an executor corp? was that council of 12 ready to be disolved? Yes & No as TBH it wasnt discussed _______________________________________________
thebold	Posted - 2005.09.05 09:34:00 - [80] Edited by: thebold on 05/09/2005 09:36:56 All that oppose will be destroyed. Resistance is futile. ============================================== We do the Blowing up thingy
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2005.09.05 09:37:00 - [81] Originally by: S3VYN But more on topic, the MASS vs SE thing should be a lot of fun for the rest of us, I'm sure it will be quite a bit of fun for you guys. :) Just need to make a correction here... It's not MASS vs SE, it's SA vs SE, make of that what you will. In less than 24 hours you should be able to see what corporations make up SA, at that time the general public can compare at will. I for one am salivating at the thought of flying with old friends. I also can't wait to see what Digiblast will do when he finds out he's flying with Aeryn again Fly with us!
Khaerie	Posted - 2005.09.05 09:38:00 - [82] Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 05/09/2005 08:53:36 SE supported Coalition? That's a laugh. I seem to remember sitting in TPAR fighting SE's battles for them against Rubra/DMGI. Where were you on that one Khaerie? At least Boofer showed up, although it was in a T1 frig. And when Coalition was fighting FIX, SE claimed nuetrality. Meanwhile an SE trial corp was letting FIX use its POS, publically I might add. Nice support. The only time SE supported Coalition was when Cujo took control of SE so he could fly the SE banner in FAT as a way to keep FIX out. Funny stuff. I'm still waiting for someone to address what the hell, exactly, that 2 bil a month in membership fees went to. Anyone want to touch that one? Allowishus, What is your goal here? If you had been seeking the truth you would have found it long ago. It's called reading your alliance mail, the forums and talking to people in your alliance. I'd recommend that option rather then trying to spread yet more gossip. As for this fabled 2 billion...hmm..check the forums, it was posted there on numerous occasions. Wow, nice. You read these forums quite well, try it with your own Alliance's board for a change. How is it you don't come and speak to me on TS? I'm on every single day working at my duties. It's not like I'm hidden. So how come you can't find me when everybody else can? Wish to bring up the Stain Trial Member? Not a problem. I helped get them kicked out for it and it is publically known, how come you don't know this? Oh wait, because you don't TALK to anyone. Great job at posting here, now try doing some actual research. New Sig to come to a theatre near you. 2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs CEO
Lord Randalf	Posted - 2005.09.05 10:14:00 - [83] Bring it on *****es, cya on the battlefield :) We came, we saw and we just wtf pwnd Stain Empire! ________________ "We mine together, we haul together, carebears for life"
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.09.05 10:18:00 - [84] Something that hasnt been reflected here is the underlying feeling of alot of the SE corps. To put it very simply.. Mass left SE.. simple as that. True mass was a/the key corp in se but the key word there is was. After mass and the other big corps left SE fell into disarray, but not for long. Those remaining corps realised they now had to step up and be counted, and they did. There were quite strong feelings of bitterness towards the old SE corps (although the ties were still there and friendly relations were maintained as these feeling were more of an undercurrent than anything.) Over time the empire grew strong again and we are again reaching the heights we reached before with more and more corps flooding to SE. Recent alliance activites demonstrate that very well. To alot of people this manover by Mass appears to be nothing more than a power grab by a corp that deserted its brothers when they needed them most and now things look rosy again they want to try and mussle back in. Hell NO! is the only possible awnser. The following is my interpretation of triggers letter and it does not nesecarily reprisent the view's of my corp or others (but im pretty sure it does reprisent alot of people thoughts.) Translation of triggers demand :- Quote: It was with a cold heart and sorrow the day I left Stain . maybe so, but you still left instead of staying and helping sort out the problems. Quote: My sabatical had started with a heavy heart . We were leaving behind us what we had forged with friends and brothers . But it was needed . And your leaving was a sad day, but it did benefit the alliance hugely. After you left the alliance grew and has already been reborn. unfortunately you missed the boat on that one. Quote: We found new allies , new enemies but remained close to out homeland incase emergencies required us to return . Loyal to their true emperor, Stain corporations kept in contact with us keeping us informed of how the empire was and all seemed well. No.. you left and stepped down as emperor. the ties were there from mutual respect between the corps. A leader doesnt leave when things are bad and then expect to walk back in when things are rosy again.. he leads through the good AND bad. And as for helping in times of trouble.. please direct me to a kill mail of a hostile in SE space by mass members since you left? You cant of kept in particularly close contact if you think things have been fine. There have been times when we could of really done with your help and things were not fine.. but where were you?? ohh yeah, accross the other side of the universe. Quote: Certain events have now led to me ending my sabatical (including the imminent return of Aeryn Sun) . EG the grass looks green again and you want to stroll back in, read my lips "NOT...GOING...TO...HAPEN" Quote: The rebirth of the mighty Stain Alliance is now imminent. To late.. way to late, it happened shortly after you left. You want back, now come back as equal partners. and yes there are many corps in SE now that are at least your equal. Quote: Current Stain Empire corporations are invited to apply and we shall talk. Corporations not wishing to leave Stain Empire are hereby given 7 days to leave the regions of : Stain, Catch , Esoteria and Paragon Soul. After the 7 days SE corporations will be removed from the said regions . Unfortunately your little ploy failed. No SE corp will be joining you. And btw. You and your sponsor corps will now be shot on site since you set two SE member corps to kos yesterday. Either leave Stain space or be slaughtered. PS that is effective immediately. Quote: "Hail the emperor Yes, Hail cujo! you could of come back in peace, you decided not to. This situation is entirely of your own making.
Roxanna Kell	Posted - 2005.09.05 10:22:00 - [85] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 05/09/2005 10:24:22 Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 05/09/2005 10:23:17 well we will shoot you first, if we can find you. stain has been so quite ona a sunday. were is every one? Quote: my loyalty is with SA and my isk wallet
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.09.05 10:25:00 - [86] think i'll just and at all this My Latest Vid: Linky
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.09.05 10:26:00 - [87] to find me just look at your overview the next time your shields start to mysteriously fall... I'll be right there. You'll normally see me around 9RQ and tg, I'll be waiting for you.
kwoodward	Posted - 2005.09.05 10:35:00 - [88] Originally by: thebold Edited by: thebold on 05/09/2005 09:36:56 All that oppose will be destroyed. Resistance is futile. are we still kos? please tell me we are! Meow!
TheOnyx	Posted - 2005.09.05 10:54:00 - [89] Man....! Some ppl just don't get it, do they....know only half the story... "MASS left Stain. Plain and simple." Uhuh....plain and simple Let's see what u got ! Let's get in on then !
Chowdown	Posted - 2005.09.05 11:03:00 - [90] Originally by: thebold Edited by: thebold on 05/09/2005 09:36:56 All that oppose will be destroyed. Resistance is futile. Your diplomatic skills still astound me.
Arud	Posted - 2005.09.05 11:14:00 - [91] Originally by: Chowdown Originally by: thebold Edited by: thebold on 05/09/2005 09:36:56 All that oppose will be destroyed. Resistance is futile. Your diplomatic skills still astound me. bold is rather ... direct with his diplomatic "skills"
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.09.05 11:19:00 - [92] While I have said all I have to say I do have one question.. Why if trigger was offered the position of emperor did he not take it and then decide to start threatening people? and no smart ass responses please, can I get a response from someone in mass 'in the know'?
Kantar	Posted - 2005.09.05 11:23:00 - [93] This is my personal opinion........ Do you guys REALLY think that SE as been free of big war and hostiles bcose only your imput to it??? If BoB was fed up and take over Stail would have done in few weeks so is also bcose of MASS and especially Trigger that Stain is a safe heaven atm. The respect that Trigger and MASS bring to the world of EVE cannot be discuss and we always been close to "home" bcose we always cared about. So pls dont say we left and didnt care bcose are lies and I like that thinks been sayed like they are. No one is disputing your work that as been done in the last few months, but we left a strong Alliance with hardly any enemy and full of potential....who was in charge screwed up not us. We as corp gave everything to SE whith few others while some of you mine do they own business and get rich, so pls never dough the loyalty of MASS. I say is time for a fresh start and get rid of the dead weight, but for some ppl is very difficult give up the power i suppose thats why we are in this situation.
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2005.09.05 12:09:00 - [94] well SE is the work of TRIGGER, TRIGGER made SE. So its his own work that sucks if SE sucks, which they do. ;) But on the other side, MASS sucks too. :P I have never ever seen such arrogant people as MASS (except for Bared, his cool) in my entire eve life. And I dont think SE will fall that fast becouse SE got NOINT members in them, and they are well trained! ;) "We brake for nobody"
Kozak	Posted - 2005.09.05 12:49:00 - [95] It's funny, the same corps that I heard on TS complain how Trigger couldn't make a decision or how he was too full of himself and how he was almost never around, now join up with him as though he was the massiah. Hah. You guys really think that this will make STAIN stronger. I think it will throw it into chaos and invite everyone else in to join the fray. Species has always been a PvP corp. It will always be a PvP corp. So this is just another battle, just another of many.
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.09.05 12:51:00 - [96] Edited by: lythos miralbar on 05/09/2005 12:56:12 Quote: Do you guys REALLY think that SE as been free of big war and hostiles bcose only your imput to it??? If BoB was fed up and take over Stail would have done in few weeks so is also bcose of MASS and especially Trigger that Stain is a safe heaven atm. Sorry but thats just funny. Stain has not been free of hostiles in LONG time. You think we have been sitting around mining for months??? EVERY day there have been fights and battles. Mass space has probably been safer than SE space. Iron, imperium, Rome, smite, unknown shoe, celestial appocolypse, now g alliance?? and they are just the ones that spring to mind. Maybe SE space would of been less safe if it were not for MASS but to call it a safe haven is just funny. Do not thnk for a minute SE if full of unexperienced untested pilots, you would be VERY wrong. And believe it or not we DO want mass back. Theres alot of RL friendships and history going on. Quote: The respect that Trigger and MASS bring to the world of EVE cannot be discuss and we always been close to "home" bcose we always cared about. So pls dont say we left and didnt care bcose are lies and I like that thinks been sayed like they are. Obviously you feel differently about mass's leaving than the corps that were left, that much is common sense. You claim to care about SE but then you go and try to start a civil war?? THE POSITION OF EMPEROR WAS OFFERED TO TRIGGER BUT HE TURNED IT DOWN AND DECIDED TO START THREATENING PEOPLE Actions speak louder than words, FAR louder. Quote: No one is disputing your work that as been done in the last few months, but we left a strong Alliance with hardly any enemy and full of potential....who was in charge screwed up not us . No you didnt leave a strong alliance. For a while things were close to collapse. Old and new enemies sensed this and for a time things looked very dicey. It was then that corps started standing up to be counted and a new order+form came to the empire. From this we have grown and we can stand on our own two feet. What has annoyed people in the empire about this is not the fact that mass want to return, but the manner in which trigger has handled it. If mass returned and trigger took the place of emperor alot of people in SE would be happy and welcome you guys back with open arms. Hell Ive misse you guys and woud love to have you back, but as soon as threats started flying around things changed. This has been very badly handled by trigger, and alot of people have got thier backs up. Quote: We as corp gave everything to SE with few others while some of you mine do they own business and get rich, so pls never dough the loyalty of MASS. I say is time for a fresh start and get rid of the dead weight, but for some ppl is very difficult give up the power i suppose thats why we are in this situation. And you'll find ALOT of corps in SE have since given just as much as you. We now work better than ever as an alliance and that has nothign to do with mass. Huge strides have been made improving things and there is now far less dead weight in SE. And as for giving up power.. errr hello.... TRAGGER WAS OFFERED THE PLACE OF EMPEROR BUT HE TURNED IT DOWN PREFERING TO START THREATENING PEOPLE EDIT: I want to make this real clear.. we DO want mass back, but not like this.
TheOnyx	Posted - 2005.09.05 12:55:00 - [97] "One is only arrogant if he/she cannot make up for his/her words."
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.09.05 12:57:00 - [98] Quote: One is only arrogant if he/she cannot make up for his/her words." then you are arrogant.
Everbane	Posted - 2005.09.05 12:59:00 - [99] Edited by: Everbane on 05/09/2005 13:03:21 You have to laugh when yet another alliance goes down the self destruction route because of the sheer arrogance / planet sized egos of their leaders. The cesspit that is alliance politics. I'll be cheering both sides. Fight Fight Fight... Civil war for 4TW!
Mindlles	Posted - 2005.09.05 13:11:00 - [100] Originally by: Kantar This is my personal opinion........ Do you guys REALLY think that SE as been free of big war and hostiles bcose only your imput to it??? If BoB was fed up and take over Stail would have done in few weeks so is also bcose of MASS and especially Trigger that Stain is a safe heaven atm. The respect that Trigger and MASS bring to the world of EVE cannot be discuss and we always been close to "home" bcose we always cared about. So pls dont say we left and didnt care bcose are lies and I like that thinks been sayed like they are. No one is disputing your work that as been done in the last few months, but we left a strong Alliance with hardly any enemy and full of potential....who was in charge screwed up not us. We as corp gave everything to SE whith few others while some of you mine do they own business and get rich, so pls never dough the loyalty of MASS. I say is time for a fresh start and get rid of the dead weight, but for some ppl is very difficult give up the power i suppose thats why we are in this situation. Yoo u evil one ! _________________ * Stizzum orwhatever still owes me 15milj from bragging in local and lost a bet, 5monts or someting have gone since then. And counting *
Silvitni	Posted - 2005.09.05 13:12:00 - [101] Edited by: Silvitni on 05/09/2005 13:17:10 No matter the outcome on this feud, im betting all my money on Stain for this one
Destroyer Draxx	Posted - 2005.09.05 13:26:00 - [102] Lythos u said ur side of the story, now hear the other side. From my information Trig was offered a muppet posistion, with no real power. That in my book means anything going wrong in SE/SA whatever could be blaimed on him, while successes could be atributed to ppl who would actually be in control. U have served under Trig and u should have at least a rough idea what hes like. Why dont we get the mails by Cujo to Trig as well, although the whole truth would still not come out, unless TS convos were recorded. U keep saying that when Mass left u felt betryed and u had to actually fight n struggle for stain (not talking bout u personally). So when the corps that had been struggling for the whole alliance stopped n left and u had to actually fight ur own battlesu felt betrayed, wtf? Were they supposed to protect the hunters in 9rq anf the miners in BZ for 1 more year and still buy BSs and named mods at price more expensive than empire. Instead of saying thank u for protecting us for 2 years from the Biggest alliance EVE has seen (CA) u turn around and say u betrayed us cause u didnt keep fighting non stop. I dont want to flame u, but thats the way I c things. I dont like fighting Species as I do have a friend or two there and some of the other corps in Stain, with few exeptions, but if tried listening to both sides of the story u would have another view. Did u ever pause to think what made Trig post in the way he did? Had u seen such posts from Trig in the past? U might want to start wondering y? Could go on n on, but Im at the office atm n I want to come back here tommorow This is my personal views on this. So Far So Good....So What
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2005.09.05 13:26:00 - [103] Originally by: lythos miralbar It was then that corps started standing up to be counted and a new order+form came to the empire. From this we have grown and we can stand on our own two feet. There we go ladys and gents, someone finally stumbled upon it. When I initially pushed the SA leadership to let you guys into SA back in the day(yes me, ask your CEO) I was given plenty of promises and to this day Sha Kharn have'nt let me down. Still, there was allways something missing, and not only in your corp lythos, but many others we let in. None of them were capable of standing on theyr own two feet. How do you feel Sha Kharn are compared to last year? Stronger? Weaker? Same? Of course this is not THE reason for MASS & co(Species included) leaving, but it is an important one if you think it over a bit. Fly with us!
Orc A	Posted - 2005.09.05 13:29:00 - [104] Aeryn - You once asked me for my opinion, and i will give it to you now. I have alot of respect for both Trig and Cuj. They both gave started playing this game and ended up playing it like a full-time-job. I have been here all along, give or take a few days, but i've seen the whole thing, from the side. Spectating, sounding my opinion here and there, and this is what i have to say, now that ** hits the fan: All those guys, Boofer, Cujo, Khaeri, Riven, or simply put "The 12", have been working thier asses off. I thought i played this game too much, but those people, along with the other 30+ corps in SE, theya re the ones who busted their asses out there no the field, when hit the fan. I do know of all the things Trig and MASS did for SE from "The outside", and i am eternally thankfull for them. I do not however, think that this is fair. Fair to the inhabitants of Stain. If trigger indeed wishes for the good of Stain and not for his crown, let him prove it - solve this peacefully. This whole situation is just wrong - These people do not deserve to be forced to make such decisions.** This is what i think. More to come when i figure out how to put it into text. -Orky
Arud	Posted - 2005.09.05 13:38:00 - [105] Originally by: Orc A Aeryn - You once asked me for my opinion, and i will give it to you now. I have alot of respect for both Trig and Cuj. They both gave started playing this game and ended up playing it like a full-time-job. I have been here all along, give or take a few days, but i've seen the whole thing, from the side. Spectating, sounding my opinion here and there, and this is what i have to say, now that ** hits the fan: All those guys, Boofer, Cujo, Khaeri, Riven, or simply put "The 12", have been working thier asses off. I thought i played this game too much, but those people, along with the other 30+ corps in SE, theya re the ones who busted their asses out there no the field, when hit the fan. I do know of all the things Trig and MASS did for SE from "The outside", and i am eternally thankfull for them. I do not however, think that this is fair. Fair to the inhabitants of Stain. If trigger indeed wishes for the good of Stain and not for his crown, let him prove it - solve this peacefully. This whole situation is just wrong - These people do not deserve to be forced to make such decisions.** This is what i think. More to come when i figure out how to put it into text. good post and I agree, this is perhaps not the best way to do this but the more I think about it the more I think this is needed. As has been said by members of other alliances in eve is that they see Stain as weak. A change done like this, either through war or rallying of supporters to SA would show strength to the outside world. If by rejoining almost silently the drama would be the re organizing of the alliance, which not nearly as entertaining to the rest of the eve population. They would think, oh mass rejoined stain, goodie, whats on telly. None of this would be an issue and Stain would still be seen as weak the only difference would be that Trigger would be back. There would have been no prooving grounds. We need the drama, eve needs the drama
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2005.09.05 13:43:00 - [106] Originally by: Creamster Originally by: CopeLand FOFF and Interstellar, Setenta and PSI all had their dedicated pvpers and that was it. Not quite. Our corporation [XB] has actively and pretty successfully participated in PvP within Stain boarders since the moment of joining SE. (It happened right before Trigger's departure) We were and still are a pvp-oriented organization. As far as i can tell we proved our right to be called among Stain's pvp corps a long time ago. Just fyi, dear sir Yes, infact XB are the most active PVP Corp in SE. And they have some very good pilots in my pov. -G- Pink Power Darko1107 > so play a fluffy game Darko1107 > like pokemon
darth solo	Posted - 2005.09.05 13:49:00 - [107] seen our name a few times in this thread, for the record we are not hostile to SE. after the 1st sep all standings "except the obvious" were re-set.... d solo.
Nez Perces	Posted - 2005.09.05 14:00:00 - [108] Gotta say, Arud is on fire today.. two outstanding posts pretty much back to back. The longish one on the other thread is a fine read also. Impressive stuff... and you damn right, we demand the drama... the gods wish it to be so... --- Avast, prepare to be boarded ---
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.09.05 14:30:00 - [109] Quote: Lythos u said ur side of the story, now hear the other side. From my information Trig was offered a muppet posistion, with no real power. That in my book means anything going wrong in SE/SA whatever could be blaimed on him, while successes could be atributed to ppl who would actually be in control. U have served under Trig and u should have at least a rough idea what hes like. . EDITED TO SAVE SPACE If trigger was offered a muppet position then that is wrong. Yes he did great things for SE and yes I do remember fighting under him. But we seem to have two different versions of what deals have been offered. I was informed he was offered emperor in full glory and with the full power that would bring. If that is wrong then that explains a thing or two. What has got my (and alot of peoples) back(s) up however is the way threats were then thrown around. Far better to just come out and say "Mass want to come home, weve missed you guys. Trig wants to be emperor but cujo offered him a bum deal. Anyone that wants in, join stain alliance." Threatening to remove corps from stain was a very bad move. Trigger assumed he was still dealing with the old alliance, a serious misclaculation. Now if you threaten one corp, you have just taken on the whole alliance, period. That is one of the surprisng differences between the alliance you left and the alliance that now stands before you. We are getting to what an alliance should be. Yes I felt let down when mass left. Mass and the other corps that left didnt contain the only pvp'ers in stain. There were others, and although personally still a nubbin, like alot of others we were doing our damm best. All of a sudden mass go and then were swarmed with hostiles. life turns into a grind of get isk, buy ship, kill a few people, lose ship. Never any sight of winning but fighting on none the less. Hoping things would work out. Yes I know you had your reasons for leaving, I accept them and jeeeeesssus do I know what you mean! we have experienced it too. But that is where a sense of betrayl comes from, I hope you understand and see what I mean. Quote: There we go ladys and gents, someone finally stumbled upon it. When I initially pushed the SA leadership to let you guys into SA back in the day(yes me, ask your CEO) I was given plenty of promises and to this day Sha Kharn have'nt let me down. Still, there was allways something missing, and not only in your corp lythos, but many others we let in. None of them were capable of standing on theyr own two feet. How do you feel Sha Kharn are compared to last year? Stronger? Weaker? Same? Of course this is not THE reason for MASS & co(Species included) leaving, but it is an important one if you think it over a bit. Well we are deffinately stronger.. much stronger. And we most certainly can stand on our own to feet. But each corps strength is truely much less then the strenght of the alliance divided by the number of corps. and it is this multiplier that has greatly improved. Now if a corp doesnt contribute they get kicked, simple. Its AMAZING how much of a difference that makes. We want mass back and as far as I know the door is still open. BUT as soon as the first SE guys dies to mass or thier sponsor corps that door will shut, IMHO probably for ever, the lines will be drawn, and it will be mass vs the 41 corps that now make up SE.
Trina Tron	Posted - 2005.09.05 14:47:00 - [110] Originally by: Nez Perces Gotta say, Arud is on fire today.. two outstanding posts pretty much back to back. The longish one on the other thread is a fine read also. Impressive stuff... and you damn right, we demand the drama... the gods wish it to be so... :words: PS lets face it tigger just wants some to fight and thinks se is strong enough to take them on. BOOM BOOM BANG! ur dead m8m8m8m8m88m8m8m8m8m8m ciao sting!
kwoodward	Posted - 2005.09.05 14:50:00 - [111] \o/ i so so miss these threads.. Btw no disrespect to the guys roaming stain for the last months but i wouldnt exactly call them hostiles. In the SA days they would of been delt with along with the 30 strong CA gank fleets, i didnt see SE do this to the few that opposed them. Meow!
Caretakers mistress	Posted - 2005.09.05 15:21:00 - [112] Edited by: Caretakers mistress on 05/09/2005 15:21:37 burn baby brun! To everybody trying to emphasise that MASS stayed close to SE, because they cared and wanted to help, I distinctly remeber MASS & friends trying to Take over G territory, right after MASS and 5618 left SA. That would have been a few jumps away from Stain, if I remember my jumps correctly. The fact that they failed and that 5 gave them a piece of the cake is probably the the more realistic reason that they stayed close by. I might be mistaken, but thats the way i see it. edit: DARN friggen ****** alt... Bratzo here
Gloria Khan	Posted - 2005.09.05 15:31:00 - [113] @Lythos FYI in response to your thoughts on closing doors etc. MASS have attacked and killed a pilot from Project 1 in system GM- late last night / early this am. It was, I am advised, an unprovoked attack. It seems war has begun - would anyone from MASS care to comment.
kwoodward	Posted - 2005.09.05 15:31:00 - [114] Originally by: Caretakers mistress Edited by: Caretakers mistress on 05/09/2005 15:21:37 burn baby brun! To everybody trying to emphasise that MASS stayed close to SE, because they cared and wanted to help, I distinctly remeber MASS & friends trying to Take over G territory, right after MASS and 5618 left SA. That would have been a few jumps away from Stain, if I remember my jumps correctly. The fact that they failed and that 5 gave them a piece of the cake is probably the the more realistic reason that they stayed close by. I might be mistaken, but thats the way i see it. edit: DARN friggen ****** alt... Bratzo here wrong mass was in g space because someone paid us muchos isks to be there once the money stoped we left. The only campain we have been really dedicated to since we left was the xetic assault, and to a lesser degree fix but we got interupted at the start there (ps dont start arguing about it we dont know what would of happened but if we had stayed we probably would still be there) We were always on call to SE if they needed us (and if it was worth us turning up) and could be there within 12 hours from any adventure we undertook. Meow! "I hope you bring so many ships you block out the sun, so we can have some shade to fight you in."
csebal	Posted - 2005.09.05 15:38:00 - [115] Spooky Vorlon voice: "And so it begins" May a stronger and more worthy Stain Alliance emerge from the chaos. - This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the HUN Corporation or that of the Imperium Alliance in any way. - -
lythos miralbar	Posted - 2005.09.05 15:43:00 - [116] Quote: @Lythos FYI in response to your thoughts on closing doors etc. MASS have attacked and killed a pilot from Project 1 in system GM- late last night / early this am. It was, I am advised, an unprovoked attack. It seems war has begun - would anyone from MASS care to comment. I cannot say how sad that makes me. I will verify this before I carry out any hostile actions, but if this is the case then mass have now crossed the line. Big mistake. I feel I have no more to say on this subject as the time for words is over. Mass claims to be frineds and then fire on those they call friends. A sad day indeed.. Release the dogs of war.
kwoodward	Posted - 2005.09.05 15:52:00 - [117] Originally by: lythos miralbar Release the dogs of war. Do we really have to take valdi's mussle off, or let nick out of his cage? Meow! "I hope you bring so many ships you block out the sun, so we can have some shade to fight you in."
Lord Cyric	Posted - 2005.09.05 16:14:00 - [118] Originally by: kwoodward \o/ i so so miss these threads.. Btw no disrespect to the guys roaming stain for the last months but i wouldnt exactly call them hostiles. In the SA days they would of been delt with along with the 30 strong CA gank fleets, i didnt see SE do this to the few that opposed them. And no disrespect to you, but not everyone needs 100 people at their back to wreak havoc on the enemy. Blobs may have their place and they may occasionally be quite fun, but they are certainly not the only way to fight.
kwoodward	Posted - 2005.09.05 16:18:00 - [119] this is nothing new it happend back in the day, just when stain was in it's glory it's empire was defended you tryed roaming about there you'd get blocked in or killed quite quickly. thats unless we were all to busy carebearing our ass's off Meow! "I hope you bring so many ships you block out the sun, so we can have some shade to fight you in."
demogod	Posted - 2005.09.05 16:30:00 - [120] WELL I like to here trigger tell he side on forums not any one for him
Amarr CEO	Posted - 2005.09.06 01:22:00 - [121] Originally by: Nick Curso Edited by: Nick Curso on 05/09/2005 03:16:41 Gratitued MASS/Collective/SGE and others have done nothing for stain nothing at all ure all right. We did first move into that space and create the allaiance run it and defend it for 2 years nope nothing at all were all evil. Then when it was down you left, and when offers to retake command were offerd you said no!! "I see no logic in that Captain" One Family.....One Goal.....One Future Adeptus Gattacus the Way Forward ADGA SITE
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.06 01:43:00 - [122] Originally by: Amarr CEO "I see no logic in that Captain" ROTFLOL _______________________________________________
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.09.06 01:54:00 - [123] Quote: MASS have attacked and killed a pilot from Project 1 in system GM- late last night / early this am. Yes there was a post that ure posing in made by boofer lol stating we are kos to SE. Like psych0 posted untill such time that we are contacted to state that u are not a threat we must assume that u are and respond accordingly.
Pathfinda75	Posted - 2005.09.06 01:55:00 - [124] Originally by: dantes inferno trigger was offered the emproro post in name only, the 12 and cujo would still of been in charge, with cujo renaming himself to stain executor (which he did do when it was though trigger would accept this unacceptable proposal) and species retaining the executorship. i have also been told by someone from se that trigger was offered the emporor position to shut mass up and would have no poewer or control. we would of prefered a more peacful solution to this, but some people are afraid of loosing their power in se, and would not accept this..now se members should ask themselves are they fighting for stain or for the 12 and cujo to retain power..cause if sa win this, we will be restoring stain to its former glory as it was during the ca days....triggers original post is basicaly RP...it may of offended people and gotten their backs up...but we at sa want stain to be at its peak..it would be a olot easier for us to form our own alliance and not bother with stain at all..but guess what we actualy do care what happens with stain, and from the sge incident its obvious that spcies and the 12 use se for thei own agenda, how many people in that thread used alts to post? or knew they would be fined/booted from the alliance just for speaking their mind? this was also confirmed by amarr ceo in his post..is this how se want ot live? or do you wish things to be as they were at their peak? ignore that fact we once left se, you did so with sepecies and please relise that this is for stain and not our own good, no one in mass or any other corp in sa will gain anything they did not already have access to....but stain can gain a lot if they make the right choice...(cant reist making a little joke) JOIN THE ALLIANCE IN TAKING DOWN THE TYRANICAL EMPIRE!!!!! Paragraphs are cool.
Serilla	Posted - 2005.09.06 02:05:00 - [125] Edited by: Serilla on 06/09/2005 02:05:34 lol at stain 'allaince' i would petition to have the name changed were you drunk or is it like that on purpose? Lightbringer Intergalactic - CEO The Confederation - Council Member Lightbringer Intergalactic Corperate Website
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.09.06 02:06:00 - [126] Trigger talked to Hammerhead last night he said name woud be changed after yesturdays DT but he works for CCP ya know so guess it didnt happen.
Kaell Meynn	Posted - 2005.09.06 02:19:00 - [127] Are they going to fix the all-caps thing too? That part is just as bad.
Annatar	Posted - 2005.09.06 03:57:00 - [128] Edited by: Annatar on 06/09/2005 03:59:52 Edited by: Annatar on 06/09/2005 03:58:49 -= The Galactic Empire [-GE-] =- Arcadia Founder, Ex-Stain Alliance/Empire Member Corp. =Offical Part= The Galactic Empire has Friends on each side of the SA/SE conflict and therefore decided to NOT take part on any fights of the uprising or already running Military Operations. =Offical Part= In personal i hope SA and SE settle this down and solve the Conflict on the Diplomatic way, it is harder, but reminding our good old times back in Stain, i think all involved Members deserve any other solution then War. Becourse Friends should never shoot Friends, remember that, becourse its the single Member who needs to push the TRIGGER. Originally by: Paul ValÚry, France 1945 Der Krieg ist ein Massaker von Leuten, die sich nicht kennen, zum Nutzen von Leuten, die sich kennen, aber nicht massakrieren When War takes place let be such swift & fast that nobody will remember it, becourse its a real shame. Annatar CEO [-GE-] - We don't shoot friends - -------------------------------------------- Never argue with an Idoit, they will drag you down to their Level and beat you with experience.
WizEye	Posted - 2005.09.06 04:32:00 - [129] Wenn ist das Nunstr³ck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.06 07:19:00 - [130] Originally by: WizEye Wenn ist das Nunstr³ck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! Would anyone mind translating this for me please, would be appreciated... _______________________________________________
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2005.09.06 07:28:00 - [131] Originally by: Amarr CEO Originally by: Nick Curso Edited by: Nick Curso on 05/09/2005 03:16:41 Gratitued MASS/Collective/SGE and others have done nothing for stain nothing at all ure all right. We did first move into that space and create the allaiance run it and defend it for 2 years nope nothing at all were all evil. Then when it was down you left, and when offers to retake command were offerd you said no!! "I see no logic in that Captain" Think Mass/Col/SGE are a big part of the group that help defend stain against Curse, without them you guys have been called "Ca Puppeteer Empire". So a bit of respect is in place for Trigger and others... ____________ HC MasiEEE
thebold	Posted - 2005.09.06 07:39:00 - [132] Ill state this in the other post to: These forum threads being continued souly by mass pilots speaking there mind vs. the se leadership. Can we all just get along and log on to actuly fight eachother i am having a hard time understanding what type of war SE is trying to win? ============================================== We do the Blowing up thingy
TheWise	Posted - 2005.09.06 07:45:00 - [133] Edited by: TheWise on 06/09/2005 07:47:44 Originally by: BOOFER Originally by: WizEye Wenn ist das Nunstr³ck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! Would anyone mind translating this for me please, would be appreciated... Its nonsense for me. Looks like somebody is to lazy to use a good translator
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.06 08:17:00 - [134] Originally by: TheWise Edited by: TheWise on 06/09/2005 07:47:44 Originally by: BOOFER Originally by: WizEye Wenn ist das Nunstr³ck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! Would anyone mind translating this for me please, would be appreciated... Its nonsense for me. Looks like somebody is to lazy to use a good translator Sigh... _______________________________________________
Zzazzt	Posted - 2005.09.06 08:19:00 - [135] Originally by: TheWise Edited by: TheWise on 06/09/2005 07:47:44 Originally by: BOOFER Originally by: WizEye Wenn ist das Nunstr³ck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! Would anyone mind translating this for me please, would be appreciated... Its nonsense for me. Looks like somebody is to lazy to use a good translator It's "The Lethal Joke" from Monty Python's Flying Circus ____________________________________________
Kozak	Posted - 2005.09.06 18:40:00 - [136] Originally by: thebold Ill state this in the other post to: These forum threads being continued souly by mass pilots speaking there mind vs. the se leadership. Can we all just get along and log on to actuly fight eachother i am having a hard time understanding what type of war SE is trying to win? With all the muppets your guys are bringing, we know we will have a hard time winning, but there are other ways to fight wars. Shooting is not the only option. But see you in space.
Kozak	Posted - 2005.09.06 18:41:00 - [137] Sorry I resorted to name calling, but I get deffensive when I'm threatened...
WizEye	Posted - 2005.09.06 19:05:00 - [138] Originally by: Zzazzt Originally by: TheWise Edited by: TheWise on 06/09/2005 07:47:44 Originally by: BOOFER Originally by: WizEye Wenn ist das Nunstr³ck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! Would anyone mind translating this for me please, would be appreciated... Its nonsense for me. Looks like somebody is to lazy to use a good translator It's "The Lethal Joke" from Monty Python's Flying Circus omg somebody got it finally :)
Evil Thug	Posted - 2005.09.06 21:25:00 - [139] SE diplomats got siggies, that make them looking like a poor sheeps. Stop doing that, cos you are not. These things are really **ing me off. SA : Hey guys, i`m uber, i`ll be ur emperor - bow to me. SE : NONONO ! You abandoned us ! You are not uber anymore !!!111oneoneone SA : Yes, i`m. I have big bullies from old classes with me ! Give me ur pocket money, NOW ! SE : OHNOES ! We are victims ! blah blah blah (10 pages of this bull). Its a GAME**. Shoot someone FFS ! Stop talking. F1, F2, F3 - you know, eh ? ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust
HokeyPokey Knight	Posted - 2005.09.06 21:42:00 - [140] i agree with evil
HokeyPokey Knight	Posted - 2005.09.06 21:48:00 - [141] Originally by: dantes inferno "Wow, is there really a need for this much smack?" nope their aint m8, but leave them to it, shows their true mentality..well just make our replys on the battlefield wel it shows your corp mentality as you guys are real bigass smacktalkers forums are full with smacktalking massers
dantes inferno	Posted - 2005.09.06 21:57:00 - [142] "wel it shows your corp mentality as you guys are real bigass smacktalkers forums are full with smacktalking massers " show me one example of mass sarting to smack, ill give u 2 or more from se _____
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.06 22:05:00 - [143] Edited by: BOOFER on 06/09/2005 22:07:33 Well things seem to have moved on... Seems MASS isnt willing to rely on 5 to boost their numbers. A combined fleet of MASS and VIRII just engaged us in DSS. MASS it seems new taste in friends matches your new style of honesty. (EDIT: Oh yeah and before we start with the smack on it, yes good warpin. You did well) _______________________________________________
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.09.06 22:09:00 - [144] Yeh gf
Berneh	Posted - 2005.09.06 22:10:00 - [145] "allaince" Berneh runs off to giggle for a while Originally by:* Oveur (at the eve radio party 05) You havent seen anything yet
WizEye	Posted - 2005.09.06 22:10:00 - [146] gf
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.06 22:39:00 - [147] lol _______________________________________________
Destroyer Draxx	Posted - 2005.09.06 22:40:00 - [148] Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 06/09/2005 22:45:11 Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 06/09/2005 22:07:33 Well things seem to have moved on... Seems MASS isnt willing to rely on 5 to boost their numbers. A combined fleet of MASS and VIRII just engaged us in DSS. MASS it seems new taste in friends matches your new style of honesty. (EDIT: Oh yeah and before we start with the smack on it, yes good warpin. You did well) Seems however that u are and BoB for that purpose as well. This is like the 10th silent plead for help in my eyes. U keep tring to make Mass look like 5 and BoBs enemy in a desperate attempt to help u. First it was the wrong reports bout us flying with G alliance, then it was the false reports that Omist was going to be passed over to Red Alliance and now u bothered that we are not shooting Virii. U should have realised that 5 n BoB respect power by now m8 (points at ASCN and how they kept their space) not desperate ppl trying to get them to fight their battles. PS : Now that ur merchs have to fight the whole alliance and not just 1-2 corps u have to pay them a bit more So Far So Good....So What
BOOFER	Posted - 2005.09.06 22:50:00 - [149] Originally by: Destroyer Draxx Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 06/09/2005 22:45:11 Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 06/09/2005 22:07:33 Well things seem to have moved on... Seems MASS isnt willing to rely on 5 to boost their numbers. A combined fleet of MASS and VIRII just engaged us in DSS. MASS it seems new taste in friends matches your new style of honesty. (EDIT: Oh yeah and before we start with the smack on it, yes good warpin. You did well) Seems however that u are and BoB for that purpose as well. This is like the 10th silent plead for help in my eyes. U keep tring to make Mass look like 5 and BoBs enemy in a desperate attempt to help u. First it was the wrong reports bout us flying with G alliance, then it was the false reports that Omist was going to be passed over to Red Alliance and now u bothered that we are not shooting Virii. U should have realised that 5 n BoB respect power by now m8 (points at ASCN and how they kept their space) not desperate ppl trying to get them to fight their battles. PS : Now that ur merchs have to fight the whole alliance and not just 1-2 corps u have to pay them a bit more Im sorry but respect Power?!?!?!?! You have got to be friggin kidding. The only reason you standing a chance is cause youre crying to everyone asking for them to help you. I would love to see the Stain Allaince stand up to us solo. Oh right yes you did and got WTFPWNED! So dont you tell me about respecting power. And as for silent plees we are simply pointing out just what this new best for stain allince is all about, we arent the ones going and asking everyone to fight for us. PS We have NEVER, nor would we EVER hire Mercs. Boofer _______________________________________________
Nick Curso	Posted - 2005.09.06 22:54:00 - [150] Ya sure boofer sad day wen u beleve ure own properganda. Actually most alliances have contacted us not the otherway around.
William Dampier	Posted - 2005.09.06 23:17:00 - [151] Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 06/09/2005 22:07:33 Well things seem to have moved on... Seems MASS isnt willing to rely on 5 to boost their numbers. A combined fleet of MASS and VIRII just engaged us in DSS. MASS it seems new taste in friends matches your new style of honesty. (EDIT: Oh yeah and before we start with the smack on it, yes good warpin. You did well) I always think its funny when someone posts something like "before we start with the smack" and precedes it with smack of their own. Just so you know as Nick stated VIRII and MASS have had close relations for a long time, even when we were firing on each other. We unlike some people can separate having to set negative standings to a group while still being friends with them, and our friends normally feel the same way (thus why they are friends) Anyway MASS and SA didn't ask us for help or to "boost their numbers" I am pretty sure they will have no problem achieving their goal without having to make pleas to others to help them like your thinly veiled posts for support seem to. Who we decide to set positive and/or fly with and the criteria for that is our concern, no one outside of VIRII has any say on who, when, where or why we kill people, you only need be concerned with the fact that we are still killing you. V I R I I HeadQuarters http://virii.homeip.net V I R I I - We Are Here For Your Daughters
Bruchpilot	Posted - 2005.09.06 23:26:00 - [152] This thread is so hillarious. I think Evil Thug summed it up pretty well. And having fought both partys for almost a year all this crap in this thread sounds very familliar to me. Not the talking but the guns will dicide who's right and who isn't!
Kozak	Posted - 2005.09.06 23:30:00 - [153] Originally by: William Dampier Originally by: BOOFER Edited by: BOOFER on 06/09/2005 22:07:33 Well things seem to have moved on... Seems MASS isnt willing to rely on 5 to boost their numbers. A combined fleet of MASS and VIRII just engaged us in DSS. MASS it seems new taste in friends matches your new style of honesty. (EDIT: Oh yeah and before we start with the smack on it, yes good warpin. You did well) I always think its funny when someone posts something like "before we start with the smack" and precedes it with smack of their own. Just so you know as Nick stated VIRII and MASS have had close relations for a long time, even when we were firing on each other. We unlike some people can separate having to set negative standings to a group while still being friends with them, and our friends normally feel the same way (thus why they are friends) Anyway MASS and SA didn't ask us for help or to "boost their numbers" I am pretty sure they will have no problem achieving their goal without having to make pleas to others to help them like your thinly veiled posts for support seem to. Who we decide to set positive and/or fly with and the criteria for that is our concern, no one outside of VIRII has any say on who, when, where or why we kill people, you only need be concerned with the fact that we are still killing you. V I R I I HeadQuarters http://virii.homeip.net V I R I I - We Are Here For Your Daughters Hey smart guy, the reason Boofer posted that is because of all the MASS and company posts about SE setting suppossed pirate corps to positive. Seems that they didn't realize their own Monarchy would do the same. Now, to all those Mass members who accused us of the same act, please step off your high horses and shut up.
Diamond Dog	Posted - 2005.09.06 23:49:00 - [154] Quote: Release the dogs of war. I'm allready here ________________________________________
Veldsparking	Posted - 2005.09.07 00:21:00 - [155] real shame long term Stain empire members are going with mass... Figure some new blood folks who wernt long term SE Folks might... but Damn shame to see long term SE Folks following someone blindly .... Someone who cant spell alliance right... Someone who has a broken caps lock button... Sad..
Emilia White	Posted - 2005.09.07 00:25:00 - [156] Originally by: Veldsparking real shame long term Stain empire members are going with mass... Figure some new blood folks who wernt long term SE Folks might... but Damn shame to see long term SE Folks following someone blindly .... Someone who cant spell alliance right... Someone who has a broken caps lock button... Sad.. should of picked your new alt more creativly, anyone in stain knows who you are :P but I agree with you completly
DjDangle	Posted - 2005.09.07 00:43:00 - [157] Originally by: William Dampier I always think its funny when someone posts something like "before we start with the smack" and precedes it with smack of their own. Strange? Didnt you just precede that with smack of your own? ------------ "I'm gonna eat you little fishy...." -I speak for my corp. Not our Alliance-
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2005.09.07 02:00:00 - [158] Originally by: Kozak Hey smart guy, the reason Boofer posted that is because of all the MASS and company posts about SE setting suppossed pirate corps to positive. Seems that they didn't realize their own Monarchy would do the same. Now, to all those Mass members who accused us of the same act, please step off your high horses and shut up. My dear Kozak, for your information VIRII is not a pirate corporation. It's not because you got killed a lot as a part of the [5] bandwagon (that I'm sure you regret atm having been a part of) that it makes us pirates. If you are unhappy with what happened to you, let me make it short: you deserved it. At a more personnal level, I wish I could blame you for not helping XF against [5]. But it wouldn't be fair since we know what cyvok did. ASCN will someday pay for its crimes. At this time, you shall pay for yours. Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
Kantar	Posted - 2005.09.07 02:01:00 - [159] God reading this crap start to do my heading.....
Kozak	Posted - 2005.09.07 03:43:00 - [160] Originally by: Elenia Kheynes Originally by: Kozak Hey smart guy, the reason Boofer posted that is because of all the MASS and company posts about SE setting suppossed pirate corps to positive. Seems that they didn't realize their own Monarchy would do the same. Now, to all those Mass members who accused us of the same act, please step off your high horses and shut up. My dear Kozak, for your information VIRII is not a pirate corporation. It's not because you got killed a lot as a part of the [5] bandwagon (that I'm sure you regret atm having been a part of) that it makes us pirates. If you are unhappy with what happened to you, let me make it short: you deserved it. At a more personnal level, I wish I could blame you for not helping XF against [5]. But it wouldn't be fair since we know what cyvok did. ASCN will someday pay for its crimes. At this time, you shall pay for yours. WHAT??? It's like reading badly translated Chinese soap oprah. I've never been killed by the 5. I've never been killed by you, I only recently lost my ship in a small engagement with G in Agil. So, what are you trying to say? I have no freakin' idea.
William Dampier	Posted - 2005.09.07 04:52:00 - [161] Originally by: Kozak Hey smart guy, the reason Boofer posted that is because of all the MASS and company posts about SE setting suppossed pirate corps to positive. Seems that they didn't realize their own Monarchy would do the same. Thanks for the clarification smart guy it's really appreciated, and would hold water if either of the corps mentioned by name were actually pirates I guess. Originally by: DjDangle Strange? Didnt you just precede that with smack of your own? hmmmm... ummmm... no Originally by: Kozak WHAT??? It's like reading badly translated Chinese soap oprah. I've never been killed by the 5. I've never been killed by you, I only recently lost my ship in a small engagement with G in Agil. So, what are you trying to say? I have no freakin' idea. He was speaking about your alliance in the broad term, not you in particular and asked if you consider us pirates because we kill you a lot. Which is understandable if that is the reason, I am sure from the dying side of the equation it seems a lot like being raped and pillaged, but its done in the name of justice not profit. So if we are just going to make up classifications that have no base on actual events or something conforming to a fixed or general pattern, I think we will use Right Hand of God. Anyway its really not that badly worded for a French guy whose 1st language isn't English, I have seen a lot worse and although I have never read a badly translated chinese soap opera I would venture to guess its not even close. Ah well this has been an interesting day i can hardly wait to see what happens tomorrow... dogs living with cats 4tw! V I R I I HeadQuarters http://virii.homeip.net V I R I I - We Are Here For Your Daughters
fisho	Posted - 2005.09.07 07:53:00 - [162] Unfortunatly some times you have to turn on your 'friends' to get some decent opposition in EVE. All this whining astounds me, Enjoy this war, there will be plenty of fighting opportunities, which in my opinion is better for everyone. Because theres nothing worse than mining.
Gradinger	Posted - 2005.09.07 08:00:00 - [163] yes could have been an interesting, challenging and nice fight - if MASS wouldnt have cried for [5]¦s help and they wouldnt threaten us with a gankfest and rob the fun...:/
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.09.07 08:30:00 - [164] How long until the blob wars begin? ------------------------------------------
FalloutBoy	Posted - 2005.09.07 08:32:00 - [165] Originally by: MadGaz How long until the blob wars begin? look in omist need a sig? Gallery Contact me for more information
thewiseman	Posted - 2005.09.07 08:54:00 - [166] In my opinion MASS had things comming. They are way to*****y in EVE.. Ok they are one of the best but with such an attitude and (almoste) no respect to others things can turn against you. I hope this will bring there feet back on the ground.. And get some fresh blood on the Top..
Sceartan	Posted - 2005.09.07 09:00:00 - [167] Originally by: BOOFER I would love to see the Stain Allaince stand up to us solo. Oh right yes you did and got WTFPWNED! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=219344
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.09.07 09:11:00 - [168] Originally by: Sceartan Originally by: BOOFER I would love to see the Stain Allaince stand up to us solo. Oh right yes you did and got WTFPWNED! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=219344 Whoa that's relevant...not. ------------------------------------------
Weeman	Posted - 2005.09.07 09:14:00 - [169] o/ mogzy
Sceartan	Posted - 2005.09.07 09:15:00 - [170] Originally by: MadGaz Whoa that's relevant...not. Neither is your post, but you still commented here.
Hessex Kaltenbrunner	Posted - 2005.09.07 10:26:00 - [171] quick question: Is Setenta SE or SA? and Solarflare Industries?? Thank you
s4mp3r0r	Posted - 2005.09.07 11:12:00 - [172] They¦re SA dude : Setenta Proud ex-CEO of the official Verone Fanclub. Convo Mirel yirrin ingame for details on how to join, and a free " I ♥ Verone Ö" Bumpersticker!!
Arthur Guinness	Posted - 2005.09.07 11:29:00 - [173] Originally by: Gradinger yes could have been an interesting, challenging and nice fight - if MASS wouldnt have cried for [5]¦s help and they wouldnt threaten us with a gankfest and rob the fun...:/ We don't need to cry for help, real friends come and join for the fun when there's some to get. And if it surprises you that Chownub wants to have some fun with the old SA corps.... you don't understand what the CA SA war was about. Hint it's a 3 letter word, starts with an 'F' and end's with a 'N'.... a 'U' is part of the word too....... I just hate all you guys for starting this few days before i am off to malaysia for a 2 week holyday. -- The worst thing you can do when suggesting a solution to a problem is to provide alternatives, people end up arguing the alternatives instead of implementing the fix.
Sarduk Larish	Posted - 2005.09.07 12:04:00 - [174] Please please PLEASE make the next post in this thread a 'look at this sweet frapps i have of an SE vs SA fight' and not another 'my epeen is bigger than your epeen'. People demand blood, less forum PvP, more F1 F2 F3.....
thebold	Posted - 2005.09.07 14:36:00 - [175] Originally by: Sarduk Larish Please please PLEASE make the next post in this thread a 'look at this sweet frapps i have of an SE vs SA fight' and not another 'my epeen is bigger than your epeen'. People demand blood, less forum PvP, more F1 F2 F3..... had a ok ish fight so far thats about it from me though, but i heard there was some cool fight monday i dont really know what happened ============================================== We do the Blowing up thingy

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