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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1048
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Posted - 2013.03.31 23:32:00 -
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Anti-Provist reporting in.
True Caldari live for the State, not for one man.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1059
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Posted - 2013.04.01 22:05:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:Quote:Ms. Kim, a question, if I may. What is it you expect or desire to have done with these anti-Provists that you report? Have them arrested, handed over to the State Secret police and given the basement treatment.
You're thinking of the FIO.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1060
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Posted - 2013.04.02 00:16:00 -
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Some people collect pins, some people jump off tall buildings, I collect a legion of infatuated fans.
You're all lucky I'm so benevolent.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1096
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Posted - 2013.04.05 01:28:00 -
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People: let the moron rant. She's harming nobody and making our side look good.
Arguing with you is only going to damage your own sanity and intelligence.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1103
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Posted - 2013.04.06 13:06:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:... true meritocracy ... united under Tibus Heth's rule...We should not allow ant-provist scum to divide and separate us!
You are contradicting yourself. Meritocracy is by its very nature competitive. If you value meritocracy then you value the idea that nobody is irreplaceable, that a degree of division and separation is healthy and desirable because it provides the opportunity for talent, hard work and all the other metrics of merit to be demonstrated, and the room for those who demonstrate their merit to supplant their predecessors.
Which is it? Do you value the meritocracy, or do you value unification under a ruler? Because the latter is incompatible with the former. Unquestioning obedience to a leader is authoritarian dictatorship, which is inherently un-meritocratic. The moment you place any individual, concept or behaviour as being exempt from the meritocracy, then you do not HAVE a meritocracy.
Which will it be?
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1112
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Posted - 2013.04.06 16:17:00 -
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indeed, but that wasn't for her benefit, it was for that of other people. Basically every Provist in the State including Tibus Heth himself have failed to see that simple logic, I don't expect Kim to be persuaded.
It was rhetoric, in other words. We're all guilty of it occasionally.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1112
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Posted - 2013.04.07 04:05:00 -
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Really? Which fallacy have I committed?
Strawman? I have not misrepresented your argument at all.
False cause? not applicable.
Appeal to emotion? no, not that.
gambler's fallacy? n/a.
Appeal to Popularity? Quite the reverse, I've explicitly ruled out popularity as a good reason to support Heth.
Appeal to Authority? Nope.
the fallacy fallacy? No, not that.
slippery slope? That's more your thing, I feel.
Ad hominem? Definitely not.
Appeal to hypocrisy? Nope.
Personal incredulity? N/A
Special pleading? No.
Loaded question? No, not that.
Burden of proof? Met.
Ambiguity? I actively strive to eliminate ambiguity from my speech.
Composition/Division? The very definition of a meritocracy requires that all its component parts be treated meritocratically, so this one's not actually applicable in this case.
post-rationalization (The "No True Amarr" fallacy): not done that, no.
The genetic fallacy? That one would be on you, Heth and the Provists in fact.
false dilemma? Not so, you either have a meritocracy or you do not. By the definition I've stipulated - that all parts and persons in a meritocracy must be subject to it - anything short of that standard is unmeritocratic.
begging the question? Nuh-uh.
Appeal to nature? Not relevant.
Isolated Anecdote? again, not applicable.
cherry-picking? Not applicable.
compromise fallacy? not in this case, no.
As far as I can tell, my position is in no way fallacious. So, I suspect you're just using the term out of ignorance for what it actually means in the hopes that you can use it to lend some legitimacy to what is effectively just a flat denial of my position, which is that unthinking loyalty to any leader, even one who earned their position on merit (which I contend Heth didn't, in fact), is un-meritocratic. Denouncing any dissenting opinion simply because it dissents against The Great Leader is unmeritocratic.
You simply cannot have it both ways.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1117
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Posted - 2013.04.07 13:34:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:The fallacy you are looking for is your assumption that meritocracy and unification under one ruler are mutually exclusive. If the ruler is himself the product of all the virtues of the meritocratic system in place, then I fail to see how they remain mutually exclusive.
Except that's not what I'm claiming. Now YOU'RE guilty of a straw man.
I'm claiming that unthinking, unquestioning loyalty to a single supreme leader is unmeritocratic, especially if that leader is then held to be immune from criticism and all efforts to remove them are deemed "treasonous".
I deem it better that the highest authority in a nation be distributed across many people rather than condensed in the authority of one because there is no such thing as a perfect human being. I wouldn't trust myself with that kind of authority, and there is no judgement I trust more than my own (before you accuse me of arrogance, everybody does this.). Even if a person might earn the position on merit, there need to exist safeties and limiters to stop them from doing something we will all regret. The best safety and limiter I can think of is for there to be multiple persons at the top with equal authority. Which is better? The leadership of one person who has demonstrated their competence? or the leadership of EIGHT equally competent persons?
In any case, Tibus Heth didn't earn the position of Executor meritocratically, he earned it because a syndicate of anonymous third party investigators spent an enormous sum of ISK to buy Caldari Steel wholesale, install him as its CEO, and he used a surge of public frustration and civil dissatisfaction with the megas to hurl himself straight to the top. He didn't work his way there; he bullied, coerced and forced his way there and was only able to do so because the megas are smart enough to know when not to put up a fight, but when to bide their time.
On balance, I actually agree that this was a good thing. The system needed to be shaken up. We got a functioning Meritocracy back and we reclaimed Home. For those two things alone, I have to give Heth my respect and gratitude. For everything else, I consider him to be the greatest threat the Caldari people have ever faced.
I have opposed the Executor and the CPD from the very start. People may remember that in 110.05 I staged a week-long protest outside the Kaalakiota HQ station in response to the needless and paranoid quarantine of ethnic Gallente State citizens without good cause. I protested the idea that a single individual should be granted more authority than the committee of the CEP, or that one man should be the CEO of multiple corporations.
He has demonstrated himself time and again to be irrational, paranoid, bigoted and megalomaniacal. He is now openly flaunting the laws of the State where it suits him, he has pardoned a terrorist group solely for the purpose of recruiting them (and in the process lending credence to the idea that he himself is a Dragonaur) and is showing every sign of suffering from some kind of illness that appears to be driving his behavior to even greater extremes.
The man needs to go, the CPD needs to be dissolved, and the State needs to leave this experiment with a warmongering demagogue behind us.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1117
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Posted - 2013.04.07 15:16:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Stitcher wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:The fallacy you are looking for is your assumption that meritocracy and unification under one ruler are mutually exclusive. If the ruler is himself the product of all the virtues of the meritocratic system in place, then I fail to see how they remain mutually exclusive. Except that's not what I'm claiming. Now YOU'RE guilty of a straw man. Stitcher wrote:
Which is it? Do you value the meritocracy, or do you value unification under a ruler? Because the latter is incompatible with the former.
That is not a strawman on my behalf, that is what you wrote exactly.
Then I apologise for accusing you of a straw man, and revise my question to "do you value meritocracy, or do you value fascist dictatorship? Because the latter is incompatible with the former."
Kim - the only reason we are at war is because we installed, during peacetime, a warmongering racist moron as our leader. The only thing KEEPING us at war is said warmongering racist moron. The rest of the State and the Federation have both demonstrated the capacity to find a peaceful resolution, and the only one who's unhappy is your Great Leader. Your argument does not stand up. We wouldn't BE at war without Heth. The solution to a problem is NOT to cling desperately to the cause of it.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1117
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Posted - 2013.04.07 15:42:00 -
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Loyalty to the corporation does not mean loyalty to individuals. Automatic subservience to whoever is currently in charge is the Amarrian way of doing things, not ours. Corporate loyalty means "working towards the benefit of."
If I define the benefit of the Corporation and the State as being "Somebody get this perkele out of the big seat and let somebody with a working brain have a turn... in fact, burn the seat, too." then I am still being loyal to the corporation and the State because I genuinely feel that doing so is in the collective best interest.
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
1127
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Posted - 2013.04.09 09:50:00 -
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Some capsuleers want to build empires and amass the wealth of nations, some just want free stuff. We're a varied lot.
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