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Im Blue
ZC Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.16 09:29:00 -
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with the cancelling of the QEN. how do we find out the active sub number?
CCP will you publish these numbers again? |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.10.16 09:53:00 -
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^^ This |

T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.16 10:11:00 -
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+1 to subs from me, I have faith that CCP is now in the right direction. Thinking about celebrating with a free to enter pvp tournament with a rare ship as first prize after we see what the next expansion / fixoldshitpatch is released. CSM 4 Alt2, CSM5 Alt1 / Rage Quit, CSM6 Fail Candidate Hasbeen Ragequitting Creator of New Edens Largest Non-Profit Events
derp. |

Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
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Posted - 2011.10.16 11:01:00 -
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any publication of sub numbers will either lead to
"waahhh... eve is too mainstream, I am quitting" or
"waahhh... eve is dying, I am quitting" |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.16 11:02:00 -
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Im Blue wrote:with the cancelling of the QEN. how do we find out the active sub number?
CCP will you publish these numbers again?
Hello Im Blue,
To be honest, I don't know what are the plans regarding that data, but I'll ask around.
T'amber: Welcome back! That pic is just , really looking forward to the tournament if you decide to hold it.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
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Posted - 2011.10.16 11:07:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:any publication of sub numbers will either lead to
"waahhh... eve is too mainstream, I am quitting" or
"waahhh... eve is dying, I am quitting"
Well, we already see that second one 9001 times a day so the possible addition of that first statement, as unlikely as it is, would be a welcome change. |

Im Blue
ZC Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.16 11:30:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Im Blue wrote:with the cancelling of the QEN. how do we find out the active sub number?
CCP will you publish these numbers again? Hello Im Blue, To be honest, I don't know what are the plans regarding that data, but I'll ask around. T'amber: Welcome back! That pic is just  , really looking forward to the tournament if you decide to hold it.
ty, would be intresting to get and compare these numbers(before/after sanctums, before/after incarna etc) looking forward to getting data |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.16 11:36:00 -
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Im Blue wrote:
ty, would be intresting to get and compare these numbers before/after incarna
Obvious drop is obvious. |

Im Blue
ZC Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.16 11:38:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Im Blue wrote:
ty, would be intresting to get and compare these numbers before/after incarna
Obvious drop is obvious.
i know of a lot of people that while are not playing have active accounts, so online numbers will reflect there absents, active sub numbers wont |

Maximillian Dragonard
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:10:00 -
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Personally, I unsubbed all three of my accounts, but when I read Hilmar's blog, I resubbed my main..... hoping :) Reactivated in response to the change in direction..... Will actually start PLAYING when the winter expansion hits. |

Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:41:00 -
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CCP will release the numbers as soon as they surpass the last released numbers. To think anything less you'd have to be a hopeless romantic.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:48:00 -
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I believe CCP stated that they will no longer be releasing that yearly General Report thing they used to do ... the one with all the gorgeous graphs and statistics.
Another example of CCP softening-TFU. They're just like any other corporation now ... afraid to publicize a little bad news. The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |

Im Blue
ZC Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:50:00 -
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i dont care personnaly about the QEN, id just like to see the subscriber numbers. afaik all the other data is avalible except those numbers |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:03:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Im Blue wrote:
ty, would be intresting to get and compare these numbers before/after incarna
Obvious drop is obvious.
Numbers mean nothing if you can't say those 100 accounts gone are 100 individuals or a 10 with 9 alts.
While 10 with 9 alts is not important, 100 different people become annoying. |

Im Blue
ZC Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:32:00 -
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it dosnt matter how many people that 100 accounts is, its still 100 accounts |

Digital Messiah
N7 Corporation
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:40:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:I believe CCP stated that they will no longer be releasing that yearly General Report thing they used to do ... the one with all the gorgeous graphs and statistics.
Another example of CCP softening-TFU. They're just like any other corporation now ... afraid to publicize a little bad news. If you owned a company with a very impressionable consumer, would you go about posting bad news about? Also what exactly is bad news to an under educated individual who casually follows the forums? I am not saying a large majority are. What I am saying is, look at the unsub for lack of confidence thread. Not everyone who posted in it actually followed through or did so because they knew the inter workings well. We are all sheep, impressionable to the wolves that herd us together and the shepherds who push us along. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" |

Max Essen
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:45:00 -
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Sub numbers or not, I am holding my breath for this winter's release. It is a real "make for break" for me personally.
I've only been playing for 4 years (three separate accounts), spent a year + out in null-sec Dronelands (back when IRON was still there) and then went north to WI when it was still a start up. Most fun but, RL obligations have made me a HiSec industrial/PvE player for almost 2 years now.
As such, I am obviously focused on things that effect the casual player more than the null-folk at this time. With this in mind, the Hybrid balance, star-base logistics, new T2 modules and T2 rig production will be a good step. But, is it enough to keep me paying for 3 accounts ?
My fingers are crossed .... I want the magic back. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:46:00 -
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hmmm... new T got outed thar... heh...
I think everyone looking at sub numbers should brace for some very big account number fluctuations over the next 10 years. When DUST lands I'm sure there will be an awesome wave of new EvE players that will make eve-this-second look like a fraction of eve-at-beta population. Just as quickly as those numbers ramp up though... if interest in the FPS falls off so too may the pod population drop. This could go on a lot...
I do think that even that will be kind of fun though. We'll see huge surpluses and shortages on the markets at various times... huge blobs of ships for a time followed by sparse populations... wild new mechanics will pop up to accommodate this... good times for eve's future methinks...
...I'm not sure where I'm really going with this... 'cept to say I think current subs aren't necessarily going to be the primary indicator of EvE' s overall health. People come and people go. I'll be camping low sec.
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.10.16 18:05:00 -
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Im Blue wrote:it dosnt matter how many people that 100 accounts is, its still 100 accounts
QFT.
At the end of the day, what really matters to CCP is the bottom line, and an account is an account, whether it is a main or an alt. |

Thomas Abernathy
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.16 18:15:00 -
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Considering the recent backpedaling and apologies, you can't get a good idea of the sub trend? 
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.16 20:20:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Hello Im Blue
I know. Its on your avatar.
(sorry someone had to do it) Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |

Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:04:00 -
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Welcome back T'amber Kiwiland is missing you.
When subscription numbers are rising - they are trumpeted as evidence that the company is awesome. When subscription numbers are falling - they are suddenly deemed to be commercially sensitive.
This occurs in any company in any industry. |

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:32:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Welcome back T'amber Kiwiland is missing you.
When subscription numbers are rising - they are trumpeted as evidence that the company is awesome. When subscription numbers are falling - they are suddenly deemed to be commercially sensitive.
This occurs in any company in any industry.
I agree,
as for numbers I want, subs itself is more of a RL business issue.
It is correlated with a few game economic issues and I'd much preffer things to be presented in realm and thats what I want to think about,, the EVE in game economy.
What I'd really like is a few index numbers released quarterly.
We were given these numbers once and I found them incredibly useful in understanding the economy.. which was a lot of fun.
When there is less to think about ,, its less fun to play.
- bounties collected. - insurance payouts. - # ships destroyed - not yet disclosed but presumabley parsable via api by people like dotlan if they collected and aggregated 24 hour data... but number of ships detroyed in player to player km generating things - market trade volume for the quater (presumably players have that info too already.. but it would be nice to have in a 10 line report
- I'd also like to have a top twenty ships created (not flow at time of a flash reading) by number similar to the past tables. |

Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.10.16 21:37:00 -
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i think a lot of what your asking for is on teh data dump thing they are doing instead of the QEN, i coudl be wrong though.
the sub count isnt on that data dump CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Twylla
Sardaukar Terror Troops
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Posted - 2011.10.17 00:41:00 -
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My subs are already cancelled. I'm just expecting more than lip service before I decide if it's worth re-upping or time to move on to a game that doesn't sit behind Minecraft 90% of the time. |

T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.17 08:54:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:Im Blue wrote:with the cancelling of the QEN. how do we find out the active sub number?
CCP will you publish these numbers again? Hello Im Blue, To be honest, I don't know what are the plans regarding that data, but I'll ask around. T'amber: Welcome back! That pic is just  , really looking forward to the tournament if you decide to hold it.
I doubt it will look like that in the end, its just a quick draft and means pretty much nothing. :P
TBH Its a little boring without Eve and nonlinear tournaments are fun if people actually take part. Considering my pvp record is smart bombing 16 out of the 40 people in Rens who said one of my events was boring and a couple of kamokazi jitaganks I should probably find a professional this time around.
Also to note, I was watching the subs last year around October and there was a similar decline (although of a lesser scale) which I'm sure everyone has taken into consideration.
CSM 4 Alt2, CSM5 Alt1 / Rage Quit, CSM6 Fail Candidate Hasbeen Ragequitting Creator of New Edens Largest Non-Profit Events
derp. |

Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:19:00 -
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I am dying dec 18.... and my coffin is a nyx |

Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
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Posted - 2011.10.17 09:52:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:We are all sheep, impressionable to the wolves that herd us together and the shepherds who push us along.
Speak for yourself. I left nulsec so I could stop being just another sheep in the alliance leaders' flocks isk factory. Now I eat sheep on a regular basis.
And long-limb roes.
With the Empress. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |

Vaffel Junior
NorCorp Security
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:48:00 -
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Bump while waiting for ansver |

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:01:00 -
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While SWTOR isn't an eve competitor, it is a sci-fi draw and could easily siphon off would to be players. It's release is in December, so the Oct decline may not pick up for awhile.
I also "feel" like CCP has been banning more bots lately, so that also has a dent in subs. |
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