I don't think that the "Resource Redistribution" mentioned for Odyssey is completely designed to promote exploration. I do have some ideas on what it could involve.

Moon Mining

I think that the real intent for this change are the Tech moons, which I don't believe is an issue but rather a strategic monopoly. For Resource Redistribution of moon mining, I think the worst change (for players) is to add a max quantity available in each moon. Each DT, all moon goo types that were depleted the previous day are redistributed amongst all mine-able moons. This would require corporations to scout out new supplies of moon goo every time they deplete a moon. This could make the most valuable moons worthless overnight, and worthless moons valuable.

I can't believe you are actually excited about sneaking into someones space and mining. It would be like breaking into a house and stealing a bic pen out of their desk doing your taxes with their pen then giving yourself a hug about it.

Now listen carefully, Grasshopper: swarms come in all sorts of variety. There's your type of swarm of kids without a clue. There's swarms that fight like killer bees; and there's swarms of blowflies that lay eggs and eat their hosts inside out.

Ninja mining is the latter.

Blob meet the ultimate blob eater.

I'm talking about all out resource warfare.

One little parasite at a time about 10000001x a day.

Nibbling on ore by one swarm. Moon goo swarm on another. Exploration swarm on gas harvests.

There's no Orkin in space and three things that will always survive: roaches, ants and flies.

You can get rats anywhere, but moon goo/ABC ore/choice gas clouds are in null.

You know that as well.

If you can get your sister corps to mine the high-sec ore wholesale, well enterprising indys can launch their own...swarms.

And as you can personally understand, it adds up quick.

I used to argue with the WoW devs about their philosophy of switching comfort zones regularly, but I can truly see it's value in EvE.

This is the problem: you think XYZ is what indys just all want. If you're a ship builder you need mats that doesn't exist in high-sec (or even low-sec). High volume producers just buy the mats, but those who are being more self-sufficient and isk conscious, need small batches for their own supply.

And there's many more of them than high volume producers.

And that MACK cannot make it 24x7 unlike the POS, at most 23.5x7; if it tried CCP would be flagging it as a probable BOT

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Technetium

Malcanis, how independent are you again?

Scroll down and read some...ah...history.

You're very selective in reading...

So you're saying to the world Evelopedia is lying? EvE has it on it's link bar, so would believe it's official even.

So official site and history, and you're claiming it's all lies?

/popcorn

Read

You know, if moongoo is such a worthless commodity and doesn't really drive any conflict, let's just make it worthless.

All the people in charge of handling it are saying it's worthless, everyone who doesn't involve it aren't going to be involved, all it does is allow forum posts to get locked and spammed.

Rephrased.

And no, you haven't demonstrated. You've used instances that don't compare to say they don't compare, but compete, which they don't, because they are different.

Income stream is income stream right?

First you used ice mining and 500 mackinaws as comparison to the # of tech moons. then you used the people who own set # of tech moons, then you used different levels of rates (Tippia did as well) to convalute such an idea back and forth to make it illegible.

Then claimed to have proven it? You've wrecked any sort of order out of the situation. You didn't prove or demonstrate anything to show how it could be compared or competed with (you keep saying you aren't trying to compare but in essence that needs to be done) , but used an entire seperate formula to come to the same number.

That's like saying you can scam 1 person out of 5bil at one time logging in once per month and that would be competitive to moon mining.

There's has even been seperate arguments to use fleets and defenses and cta's and man hours to show different variables that do not apply to ice mining, because if they were, the figures would be way different.

You even used stocks and bonds as an argument!

They aren't competitive or comparable either! They are 2 very seperate and different ways to make money. One matures over time, the other is using a variable market to change prices based on what someone is willing to pay for them (most tech moon holders I don't think even want to sell the moongoo based on the use of production).

You can't even state a simple sentence of explanation without using variables to try to prove a point. --> "And we've demonstrated (repeatedly), exactly how one person (or a group of people) can (and have) compete[d] with Tech Income."

That's definitely one way to look at it - nerf a portion of the game that people actually interact with on a regular basis to bring it down to what you consider average moon goo profit levels.

Or, we could go the other way with it, and compare moon goo to something that actually makes sense - PI. Let's just make it so PI pulls in about 7 million isk/hour, like moon goo! That'll make moon goo largely useless, and generate a lot more bottom-up revenue!

Stop with the full ****** analogies, the forums are dumb enough as it is.

The thread is missing the real point here in my opinion. Yes it is possible to compete with moon goo income, the issue is, is moon mining in its current form conducive to interesting a fun gameplay?

In my opinion, and also I believe CCPs opinion, it is not. It encourages a static and defensive behaviour with null entities unwilling to fight. So in essence, I think CCP will overhaul things as they clearly say they want null sec to become vibrant again as the clear opinion is that it has stagnated.

Arguing against tech moon changes is like trying to argue against the tide coming in.

And interestingly enough, comparing "tech moons" to wormholes and exploration signatures is also comparing apples to oranges, because wormholes and exploration signatures don't need you to spend hours anchoring a POS and setting up a reaction farm to take proper advantage of a wormhole or an exploration signature, whereas to take advantage of any moongoo, the least amount of effort you have to do is haul in and anchor a POS with a miner and a silo, and to do a proper job of it you need to react that as well.

And I'm going to bet on you not having spent any time, at all, with the POS interface in this fashion.