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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:00:00 -
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A honest question right? When will missile users catch up with gun users after the "missile nerf"?
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:02:00 -
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When people stop creating threads with misleading subject lines.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:03:00 -
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Please
Stop
Whining
/me points you and every other guy thinking of starting yet another thread on the subject in a forum that's not meant for them to oen of the other countless thread started by guys like you in this forum that is not meant for them in which was pointed out that TomB already announced that they will be in in a soon to be released patch containing stuff like that that will hopefully put an end to the countless repeptitive posts about this subject posted by guys like you in this forum that is not meant for it.
capiche ?
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:03:00 -
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Edited by: Valrandir on 08/09/2005 18:06:55
 Originally by: Aelius
A honest question right? When will missile users catch up with gun users after the "missile nerf"?
Soon
Well probably before mid 2006.
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
When people stop creating threads with misleading subject lines.
What is misleading in the title?
The title is fine.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Valrandir
Originally by: Winterblink
When people stop creating threads with misleading subject lines.
What is misleading in the title?
The title is fine.
It's misleading because one thinks you're talking about missing items, when in fact this is just another missile whine thread.
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:15:00 -
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Which hopefully will face the wrath of Teh Wrangly-Clan pretty soon 
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:22:00 -
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I think whining for something every other weapon class has had for a year now is pretty justified imo.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:36:00 -
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I'm not whining about the "missile nerf", that's why it has "".
The only thing i find anoying to say the least is that gun players get stuff all the time and always before missile users.
When you release PVP stuff do it balanced and all AT THE SAME TIME.
Perhaps missile calculations and coding take longer but hold the other stuff until you can release at the same time.
BTW with the right skills (already released), modules and implants i COULDN'T call this a missile nerf, but if devs don't release at the same time as guns... then i have the right to call it just that. 
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 08/09/2005 18:47:31
Related to Roleplay why the hell does the most advanced technological race next to the Jovian release stuff so late?
And to be honest i try to put some roleplay on my gameplay if you see C4 Tech description and my bio. This is not some kid whining about missiles and damage PWNAGE (I WANT TO OWN ALL KIND OF STUFF). ok Verone???
ADD some Roleplay sence to this frinking game will you?!
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Bozse
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:43:00 -
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One thing that never sat right by me is the missing faction missiles and the missile/launcer related hw implants.
Hopefully this will be solved aswell when the t2 bcu comes in.
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.09.08 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Aelius on 08/09/2005 18:49:52
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Valrandir
Originally by: Winterblink
When people stop creating threads with misleading subject lines.
What is misleading in the title?
The title is fine.
It's misleading because one thinks you're talking about missing items, when in fact this is just another missile whine thread.
Aren't they missing?! You can't see them ingame can you?!
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2005.09.08 19:23:00 -
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The reason these items are missiong is because missiles were overpowered and were waiting for a rebalance, now that the rebalance has been implemented odds are that they are waiting to see if they are happy with the missile rebalance and if they need any other changes before adding in new missile mods and implants.
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Gun Kata
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Posted - 2005.09.08 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor
I think whining for something every other weapon class has had for a year now is pretty justified imo.
Well said.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.09.08 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
It's misleading because one thinks you're talking about missing items, when in fact this is just another missile whine thread.
In fairness, winterblink, they ARE missing. They're not in the game and they should be. That much is evident by the fact that they are planned to be put in.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.09.08 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
In fairness, winterblink, they ARE missing. They're not in the game and they should be. That much is evident by the fact that they are planned to be put in.
That's fine, I can accept that. But why does that have to be immediately segued into a missile nerf whine? And honestly, look at the subject and then the message. The two might as well be from completely different threads.
Had the subject been the driving force behind the thread, I'm betting you'd see less responses about the OP whining. Anyway, far be it for me to try to point people down the path of constructive posting, it's obvious that it falls on deaf ears.
That's really all I have to say on this.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.09.08 19:49:00 -
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i dont understand why ccp didnt brought the t2 bcu, and the other stuff wtith the missile fix into eve.
well tomb said itl come, hopefully sooner then ccps averages ;)
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.09.08 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Nyphur
In fairness, winterblink, they ARE missing. They're not in the game and they should be. That much is evident by the fact that they are planned to be put in.
That's fine, I can accept that. But why does that have to be immediately segued into a missile nerf whine? And honestly, look at the subject and then the message. The two might as well be from completely different threads.
I can see why you might say that but the two subjects seem to run hand in hand to me. Missiles are balanced againt turrets but their maximum potential is underpowered because of the lack of these modules. It's only natural to mention that they are not balanced and in-line with turrets without them.
Think of it more like this. A lot of players tend to make two-line posts. This guy just put one of the lines in as the subject line, nothing more.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.09.08 20:12:00 -
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/Sarcastically waves hands in the air -> But we get all damage types, buggitty buggitty booo
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2005.09.08 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Aelius
Related to Roleplay why the hell does the most advanced technological race next to the Jovian release stuff so late?
Yes, and why do they use missiles anyways?! 
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.09.08 20:24:00 -
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"The reason these items are missiong is because missiles were overpowered and were waiting for a rebalance"
Well, the 'geddons running around and frying everyone with the megapulses didn't exactly stop them from releasing tech.2 heatsinks long before the pulse nerf, did it -.^
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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.09.08 20:37:00 -
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And we arent complaining that we are missing some random unimportant module are we?
T2 Damage mods DEFINE PvP right now. They are absolutely crucial yet one type is missing. The users of that type are completely screwed in this way. What if it was heatsinks? What if it was gyrostabs? What if it was magstabs?
If they were released tommorow, it would still be months before they were readily affordable like other t2 mods are. It is punishing of missile users for the devs to take their freaking time with it. Every time a missile ship goes into a fight its at a major disadvantage in this regard. The implants are just icing on the cake.
CCP FIX IT 
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.09.08 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rivek
T2 Damage mods DEFINE PvP right now. They are absolutely crucial yet one type is missing. The users of that type are completely screwed in this way. What if it was heatsinks? What if it was gyrostabs? What if it was magstabs?
Id rather see all t2 damage mods go then see the t2 missile damage mod released tbh. 
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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.09.08 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Rivek
T2 Damage mods DEFINE PvP right now. They are absolutely crucial yet one type is missing. The users of that type are completely screwed in this way. What if it was heatsinks? What if it was gyrostabs? What if it was magstabs?
Id rather see all t2 damage mods go then see the t2 missile damage mod released tbh.
Fine by me, but FFS balance the playing field.
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Ktadaemon
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Posted - 2005.09.08 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Please
Stop
Whining
/me points you and every other guy thinking of starting yet another thread on the subject in a forum that's not meant for them to oen of the other countless thread started by guys like you in this forum that is not meant for them in which was pointed out that TomB already announced that they will be in in a soon to be released patch containing stuff like that that will hopefully put an end to the countless repeptitive posts about this subject posted by guys like you in this forum that is not meant for it.
capiche ?
Well yes Tomb has stated they were coming in,
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=197842&page=1#15
but he said that 2 months ago today, how long are we expected to cling onto the hope of that statement and believe he's still programming this module?
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2005.09.08 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ktadaemon
*stuff*
Cool sig. 
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Rufus Roughneck
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Posted - 2005.09.08 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gun Kata
Originally by: Jim Raynor
I think whining for something every other weapon class has had for a year now is pretty justified imo.
Well said.
You mean you would have preferred it if the missile changes would have been implemented together with the tracking changes to turrets over a year ago ? Just about half a year before T2 turret damage mods became generally available ?
Look, I agree, the mods need introducing, quickly.
On the other hand, would they be introduced, you'll find me posting threads like these asking for a Raven rebalance right away since you cannot introduce the missile damage mods but not at the same time recheck the damage+tank ability of a Raven with torps, can you ?
Missiles are still not balanced, heavies could do with s little loving, torps combined with the raven could do with a little nerf against battleships (and maybe a bit of love against smaller ships, don't know about that).
In any case, the whole deal is obvuiously kept hanging by the fact that CCP hasn't got the time to reevaluate the whole post-change missile balance yet. So, just like with turrets, we wait...and wait. Get used to it, cause everyone else has.
(I have caldari BS 5 and cruise/torp 5 btw, love the raven, but its one sick puppy when it comes to balance).
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Jiggy
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Posted - 2005.09.08 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
"The reason these items are missiong is because missiles were overpowered and were waiting for a rebalance"
Well, the 'geddons running around and frying everyone with the megapulses didn't exactly stop them from releasing tech.2 heatsinks long before the pulse nerf, did it -.^
Unless Im remembering wrong, which is a possibility that far back, that the gankageddon only realy came about after and because of the release of heatsink 2s and really before that megapulses werent seen as majorly overpowered.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2005.09.09 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Raynor on 09/09/2005 01:42:37
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You mean you would have preferred it if the missile changes would have been implemented together with the tracking changes to turrets over a year ago ? Just about half a year before T2 turret damage mods became generally available ?
Look, I agree, the mods need introducing, quickly.
On the other hand, would they be introduced, you'll find me posting threads like these asking for a Raven rebalance right away since you cannot introduce the missile damage mods but not at the same time recheck the damage+tank ability of a Raven with torps, can you ?
Missiles are still not balanced, heavies could do with s little loving, torps combined with the raven could do with a little nerf against battleships (and maybe a bit of love against smaller ships, don't know about that).
How are torpedoes imbalanced against battleships? A fully ganked out Raven does way less DPS than a fully ganked out Armageddon, or Tempest, or Megathron..
And yes Heavys need love.. infact Caldari cruiser bonuses in general suck.
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In any case, the whole deal is obvuiously kept hanging by the fact that CCP hasn't got the time to reevaluate the whole post-change missile balance yet. So, just like with turrets, we wait...and wait. Get used to it, cause everyone else has.
What the HELL is there to further evaluate? There are faction and officer ballistics which are way superior to the Tech2 in terms of fittings and stats, why are these items allowed to exist in game but T2 BCU does not? Give me a break. The only difference between a raven kitted for damage and an armageddon is the armageddons setup is way cheaper cause he's using market damage modules and the raven pilot has to fork out 100mil per bcu.. whatever.
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(I have caldari BS 5 and cruise/torp 5 btw, love the raven, but its one sick puppy when it comes to balance).
ROFL.
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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.09.17 00:25:00 -
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Time since TomB last mentioned anything about these:
2 Months and 8 Days.
Time since Missile changes were implemented on TQ:
3 Months?
Time since Missile changes were implemented on Sisi:
5 Months?
Time since other weapon types tech 2 damage mods were released:
1 Year 6 Months?
This issue remains easily fixed and crucial to missile users' gameplay. WHAT THE **** is taking you so long CCP? Why aren't other missile users more upset over this?
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