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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:42:00 -
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jobabor mirrome wrote:Dave Stark wrote:jobabor mirrome wrote:No way to beat an experienced player due to the skill acquisition time that the game has designed into it that's not true at all. My limited experience in the game has shown me that the ships and skillsets for players improve over time. Most long term players are in corps and have always shown up around me in groups of 2 or more, with different skillsets and ships to render whatever offensive weapons i've had useless, and warp out impossible. I dont see how a relatively new player, playing solo can stand up in a fight (at least the ones i've encountered). I am willing to learn from your knowledge if you are willing to share any tips?
learn the game mechanics. all the things you described are them knowing what does and doesn't work rather than some kind of skill point advantage.
example
can't warp out? a 2 day old character can stop some one warping out. that means; you can do it too.
the issue is, as you said, limited experience not skill points. practice, and learn. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
548
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Posted - 2013.04.14 02:23:00 -
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One of the most effective anti pirate modules is a warp disruptor/scram of your own,
Not that it actually does much. but when they see they are hit with a point the first thing they think is that you are a bait ship and got freinds coming, that they are now the gank target. They will usually bug out as fast as they can. They will not wait to see if you are actually a bait ship or not, but why would you need a point if you were not a bait ship? Having one will make them think you are, even if you are not. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Tribal Band
465
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Posted - 2013.04.30 04:10:00 -
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Not sure why nobody is pointing this out, but you can't get megacyte or zydrine in lowsec, for the most part. Lowsec ores have a high nocxium yield, and in lowsec you can also mine highsec ores, which yield tritanium, pyerite, mexallon, and isogen. Zydrine and Megacyte ores are all in nullsec. You might find a bit of one in a lowsec grav site but you won't get significant amounts until -0.4 or further.
Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Danni stark
11
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Posted - 2013.04.30 06:42:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Not sure why nobody is pointing this out, but you can't get megacyte or zydrine in lowsec, for the most part. Lowsec ores have a high nocxium yield, and in lowsec you can also mine highsec ores, which yield tritanium, pyerite, mexallon, and isogen. Zydrine and Megacyte ores are all in nullsec. You might find a bit of one in a lowsec grav site but you won't get significant amounts until -0.4 or further.
you can find zyd in low sec.
Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this. |
Unit757
D-I-L-L-I-G-A-F
Double Tap.
49
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Posted - 2013.05.01 21:44:00 -
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Your plan won't work. For starters, you seem to have completely ignored the fact that a stealth bomber can be on you, and have you scrammed before you even know whats going on.
I haven't seen many ventures in low to begin with, but any that I've found, I've gone after in a SB, and they can't get away. |
Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity
175
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Posted - 2013.05.01 23:18:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Not sure why nobody is pointing this out, but you can't get megacyte or zydrine in lowsec, for the most part. Lowsec ores have a high nocxium yield, and in lowsec you can also mine highsec ores, which yield tritanium, pyerite, mexallon, and isogen. Zydrine and Megacyte ores are all in nullsec. You might find a bit of one in a lowsec grav site but you won't get significant amounts until -0.4 or further.
Zydrine is quite available in lowsec: Jaspet, Hedbergite and Hemorphite have it. Then, if you bother with the grav sites in low, you have sources of megacyte. If you do mine the grav sites, save the ore until Odyssey because they go from worthless to worthwhile.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Locations_of_ore_and_ice_in_space |
Ripblade Falconpunch
State War Academy
Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.05.06 04:02:00 -
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Agana wrote:Hello world,
I am going to try my hand at low sec mining in a venture. I have one fitted reasonably well, and put a prototype cloaking device on it.
My goal is be able to mine enough Zydrine and Megacyte to fuel some production jobs. Specifically, I have some frigate, destroyer and a cruiser BPOs and have been trying to sell ships so I can make a little more then what just selling the raw minerals will get me. I know I can just buy the minerals, but that's not as fun as trying to low sec mine.
My thoughts for how to go about this are as follows:
Go to random low sec system. Cruise around the asteroid belts till I find one not occupied by npc pirates. Align myself to a stellar object, and begin mining. If someone warps into the belt I could hit my cloak and wait for them to leave.
Having no real experience in pvp, I don't know if this is an effective tactic. Would I be better off just warping out as soon as someone comes into the belt? I saw mention in some thread a while ago about forcing someone to decloak, but I don't know how that works.
Does anyone else have any advice on better ways to mine low sec solo?
Props to you for realizing you're doing something that's "not efficient" but doing it anyways because it seems like fun.... don't get discouraged by the pages of bittervet fa**otry trying to insert poop in your thread, if you're not having fun what's the point?
You can force someone to decloak by passing within 2000m of them in space.
You probably won't be able to tank most belt rats. Anyone in a cloaky ship can jump you, rather easily. You'll probably get popped, more than once. On the bright side, you're losing a 300K ship, who cares? I'd say you're better off dropping into your belt, aligning to a celestial or a bookmarked safe, and simply warping out if someone drops into your belt. Keep an eye on local, if anyone with a negative sec status so much as enters the system - warp out, cloak, and go make a sandwich.
TL;DR - You can't AFK mine in low sec. If you don't practice being paranoid to the point of warping to a safe and cloaking if a red so much as enters the system, you will eventually die. Just because they didn't bother you *this time* doesn't mean they didnt see your venture on dscan, hit their home system to pick up a stealth bomber and then come back to pop you.
Good luck, and have fun! |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1817
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Posted - 2013.05.06 16:29:00 -
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One thing to consider is that after the expansion hits you can see grav sites with the basic ship scanner. In low sec those have ABC ore. You can take your Venture to low and mine Arkonor.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
330
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Posted - 2013.05.06 18:41:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:i have a better stratergy.
get a retriever, mine in the infinite safety of high sec. sell whatever you end up with and buy the mega/zyd and save yourself a lot of time.
you can thank me later.
yep.
Look at all the Macks in local...impressive...very impressive...I see you have fashioned a new exhumer...much like you father's...your skills as a miner are now complete...indeed you are powerful as CCP Devs have foreseen. |
Genesis Laison
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.06 19:06:00 -
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Yes mine in a Venture in LowSec for 10mil/hour or mine in HiSec in a Mackinaw for 25mil/hour. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
103
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Posted - 2013.05.07 13:58:00 -
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Mine in motion. Preferably pointed at a safe spot with your finger hovering over the big red warp button. Buys you a second or two of not having to accelerate from a dead stop.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
...end transmission... |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
125
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Posted - 2013.05.09 00:58:00 -
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You all lack imagination.
This can be a viable thing inside of a certain set of plans for a corp.
I would not recommend doing this randomly. |
Danni stark
201
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Posted - 2013.05.09 07:48:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:You all lack imagination.
This can be a viable thing inside of a certain set of plans for a corp.
I would not recommend doing this randomly.
based on the fact that no matter what you do, a venture will not make more isk/hour than a retriever means that it's not viable as a profit making activity. ever.
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
125
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Posted - 2013.05.09 22:14:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:You all lack imagination.
This can be a viable thing inside of a certain set of plans for a corp.
I would not recommend doing this randomly. based on the fact that no matter what you do, a venture will not make more isk/hour than a retriever means that it's not viable as a profit making activity. ever.
This is just wrong.
It will not make as much isk per hour as a retriever if both are only planning on mining.
But is that really the way to look at it?
Some guys make a fortune just pirating in low sec.
Do they do this in groups? Yes they sure do.
Could those groups make more money if they mined in ventures when things are dead and just leave guys camping the gates ready to call them all to switch ships and jump into the swarm of frigs? Yes, yes they can.
If done right it's the best way to make isk in low sec and have it far exceed the retriever. This style also produces other good side effects.
The venture is a viable option for mining if mining is not your only activity. |
Illini Vaille
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.05.10 01:05:00 -
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Even with my f-all attitude to isk/hour, I've found mining in low-sec to be very unrewarding.
But I can say I have learned that you can quite easily tank just about anything in low-sec in a procurer while your drones can kill most rats.
Still, even I rapidly switched to exploration after a few hauls and seeing what i might get for it (for essentially the same risk...) |
Praxis Ginimic
306
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Posted - 2013.05.10 02:58:00 -
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I have a whole handful of ventures on my kill board. Got their pods too. If you want to mine in low sec stay in your mack. Bring a few corp members. Have every one carry 2 webs. When you get to a belt every one should double web every one then align to safe. Not a celestial, not a station, not a gate. Preferably a deep safe that takes you off D. That way when the baddies show up...and we will...the whole crew can insta warp. Dont sit at your safe spot thinking that it will save you either. We will probe you down and land on grid before you can align back out.  . Good luck |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.10 09:16:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:But is that really the way to look at it?
yes.
because consider the following from the OP
Quote:My goal is be able to mine enough Zydrine and Megacyte to fuel some production jobs.
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
125
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Posted - 2013.05.13 07:32:00 -
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Danni stark wrote:Ireland VonVicious wrote:You all lack imagination.
This can be a viable thing inside of a certain set of plans for a corp.
I would not recommend doing this randomly. based on the fact that no matter what you do, a venture will not make more isk/hour than a retriever means that it's not viable as a profit making activity. ever.
That comment about is that the right way to look at it was based on the above.
Do not take it out of context. |
Matha Si
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.05.17 07:50:00 -
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Huttan Funaila wrote:Grigori Annunaki wrote:Highsec grav sites are an amazing boon for industrialists. You can get a wealth of Zydrine and Nocxium while still moderately safe. True, but as things are right now, lowsec grav sites are not worth mining at all. The ore found in them is worth less than what is in your regular asteroid belts.
But why is it like that? Everybody complain that lowsec is underused, why not balance it so the ore there is more valuable? |
Danni stark
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:06:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Do not take it out of context.
i didn't, you said mining with a venture is profitable. it isn't. pretending it is doesn't change the fact that it isn't.
Ice Mining Skill Plan. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
70
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:02:00 -
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Let me get this clear from the start so I don't get into an argument, your best bet is to mine in HS and buy the ore by selling surplus low ends at this point in time, I wonder just how the changes to industry in 0.0 will change this.
Now we go for the fun part, doing it, first of all, do not try this in areas with lots of people, you need to find low sec space with very few people coming in.
1. As soon as someone is in local safe up and cloak, do not cloak in belts
2. Mine in a belt which is away from gates so they do not get you on D-scan
3. Your escape safe should allow you to D-Scan the gates so that you know if they have left system or logged off, though add them to the watch list as soon as you can works too.
4. do not mine at the 0 warpin, move to an area far as possible from that, also bear in mind places that people can warp in from for your mining location.
5. If you want to mine with someone in system, create bookmark safes at least 1,000 KM above and below your mining point then align up and align down while mining roids, this means that when a SB decloaks you warp out fast
6. Create safes that make it look like you are in a belt on D-scan, so that people hunting you keep warping to the belt and find nothing, after a few hours of this they will either go and look for someone else or get probes out, when they get probes out just safe up and cloak, rinse and repeat until the ganker writes you off as an annoying impossible to catch type and leaves you alone
7. You need a scout to move your ore out, jumping blind through gates is a no no...
Have fun...
If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space, its as simple as that!-á-á-á-á-á-á-á There are people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local, well they should light a cyno and try jumping to it. |
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