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Agana
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:20:00 -
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Hello world,
I am going to try my hand at low sec mining in a venture. I have one fitted reasonably well, and put a prototype cloaking device on it.
My goal is be able to mine enough Zydrine and Megacyte to fuel some production jobs. Specifically, I have some frigate, destroyer and a cruiser BPOs and have been trying to sell ships so I can make a little more then what just selling the raw minerals will get me. I know I can just buy the minerals, but that's not as fun as trying to low sec mine.
My thoughts for how to go about this are as follows:
Go to random low sec system. Cruise around the asteroid belts till I find one not occupied by npc pirates. Align myself to a stellar object, and begin mining. If someone warps into the belt I could hit my cloak and wait for them to leave.
Having no real experience in pvp, I don't know if this is an effective tactic. Would I be better off just warping out as soon as someone comes into the belt? I saw mention in some thread a while ago about forcing someone to decloak, but I don't know how that works.
Does anyone else have any advice on better ways to mine low sec solo? |
Dave Stark
2387
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:24:00 -
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i have a better stratergy.
get a retriever, mine in the infinite safety of high sec. sell whatever you end up with and buy the mega/zyd and save yourself a lot of time.
you can thank me later. you waste time reading this? |
Agana
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:28:00 -
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I have a mackinaw and do that already.
In fact, that is what I have been doing for ship production for the last month or so. While Zyd and Mega are not big drains on my mineral reserves for frigates or destroyers, they become much bigger drains at the cruiser level. In order to try and save some money I want to try to mine the ore myself.
Additionally, I have had very little contact with low sec for years and years now and want to try something new and fun. |
Dave Stark
2388
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:37:00 -
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but you're not saving money by mining it yourself. because you can purchase more mega/zyd selling minerals you mine in a mackinaw then purchasing said mega/zyd than you'd mine yourself in the same period of time in a venture. you waste time reading this? |
Agana
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.04.04 18:51:00 -
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Yes, if I break it down into a pure mineral/hour calculation and one assumes that I would be mining in my mackinaw instead of in my venture then you are probably right because the mackinaw mines much faster and there is travel time involved plus time spent dodging pirates (npc and players).
However that argument has one flaw, namely that I would spend all my time in a mackinaw instead. Since I am looking for a change of pace I would likely be on a different character trying to learn pvp and getting blown up a lot if I were not in my venture.
So really when that extra variable is thrown into the mix I would make more in my venture since it would involve not actively spending isk but instead gathering it.
Anyway.. still looking for tactics and some explanation of the cloaking systems. |
Ersahi Kir
Freelance Mining Company
72
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:24:00 -
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You need to be gone before a ganker enters the belt. If they can approximate where you are then they can manually direct their ship in your general direction. If they pass within 2km of you then you lose your cloak.
If you're going to low sec mine you have to always be paying attention, watching who's in system with you and mashing d-scan to look for any ship that's heading your way. The venture can enter warp pretty quickly, but low sec venture mining is pretty soul crushing and gets boring very quickly. There really isn't much that makes it more engaging than high sec mining except for keeping you hyper vigilant.
My suggestion: mine in high sec for a higher profit and buy what you need. If this is too boring and you would do something else, then do the something else that you find less boring. Low sec mining isn't going to make mining more fun. |
klok 72826
Quoff Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.04.04 19:54:00 -
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Agana wrote:Anyway.. still looking for tactics and some explanation of the cloaking systems.
cloaking will reduce your velocity by 90% (prototype cloaking device) cloak will be deactivated if you: cancel cloak come within 2000m of any object, even ones you do not have your overview set to display (such as frozen corpses). re-activation of cloak is 30s (prototype cloaking device)
a common tactic with cloak is the mwd+cloak trick but is mainly used to escape gate camps.
if you're intent on lowsec mining (don't let the haters dissuade you) you will need to constantly monitor local chat. d-scan means nothing if the system you are in is empty (this is me suggesting you find as close to empty a system possible for your mining trips). when a new pilot enters your local you should warp to bookmark, cloak, and check info (make a bm right before you land on the belt grid, everytime). while cloaked you are not detectable via d-scan. even though new pilot will see you in system he will have no way to determine where you are. once pilot leaves system resume mining. eventually you will begin to recognize regular traffic as joebob PI dude or mr. mean pirate and the amount of downtime due to neutrals disrupting your flow will get smaller. set standings toward corps you recognize for faster threat assessment (mr. mean pirate's corp, for example).
if you mine in a system with locals, learn which are primarily afk and which are active. learn what the active players do when they're online and in system (some will only be PI guys, some will be hungry pirates). make 2+ bookmarks on grid with any station you may end up docking at (+150km away from station).
alternate suggestion: if you are fine with working as a team, find someone who can scan and locate/mine Gravimetric sites. the secruity provided by mining from a scan site is excellent and your scan partner can make your duo even more isk while you mine by clearing out radar/mag sites and locating/lining up other grav sites for you to chew. |
Grigori Annunaki
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:11:00 -
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Highsec grav sites are an amazing boon for industrialists. You can get a wealth of Zydrine and Nocxium while still moderately safe. Of course, with Zydrine prices so low currently, you're better off mining Scordite and selling the minerals to buy what you need. |
Marsan
Emergency and I
93
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:12:00 -
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This sounds boring as hell, and not very profitable. More interesting and profitable might be:
- Look into exploration in LS - Look at mission running (It will bore you to tears in time, but it may take a while get boring) - FW sites (easy to get into and good isk with modest pvp) - Wormhole nnija gas mining (you'll need to run when the sleepers or players show) Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity
172
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Posted - 2013.04.04 21:32:00 -
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Grigori Annunaki wrote:Highsec grav sites are an amazing boon for industrialists. You can get a wealth of Zydrine and Nocxium while still moderately safe. True, but as things are right now, lowsec grav sites are not worth mining at all. The ore found in them is worth less than what is in your regular asteroid belts. |
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jobabor mirrome
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.04.05 03:23:00 -
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I do it just for the fun of it.
1.Low activity system 2. Cloaking device 3.create multiple safespots 4. Watch local - if bad people enter, go to safety zone immediately and cloak and remain cloaked or warp to gate and jump to safety. 5.NPC's will present problems so you must carry and launch drones for protection and try to redock them prior to warp out. 6.get to know the locals
its a fun change of pace from the boredom of semi- afk mining I do during the day, but not as profitable.
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Karak Bol
Crepuscular
70
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Posted - 2013.04.05 06:24:00 -
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Some more hints: - Use belts that are far off. Many systems have belts, that are more than 14.5 AU away from all stations and Gates. These belts are invisible to D-Scan used from this celestials. I had Roams just passing by, while I happily mined on. - Keep the Venture cheap, so cheap as one or two loads of ore make it pay for itself. - Use appropiate Drones to kill of NPC pirates. With 2 Hobgoblin II and an Afterburner, along with a Medium Shield Extender, you can kill off everything smaller than a BS. And a BS you can easily speed tank. - If you are actively watching D-Scan, the only thing that can catch you is a Stealth Bomber. All other ships either appear on D-Scan, or have a Decloaking Delay of at least 5 seconds. If you align in less, you will get out. And a stealth bomber is not very good at killing Frigs under afterburner. Could lead to funny kills with your hobgoblins. |
Frank Pannon
Emerald Swine Escavations
50
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Posted - 2013.04.05 07:13:00 -
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Adding to klok 72826's comment about setting standings.
You can also in your overview settings make it so, that once you have a certain corp set to negative standings, their members appear with a certain color in the local chat list, or even flash. It should help filter out the different levels of threat.
Also carry on with what is fun for you, experiment and explore, do not try to min/max everything, that kills the joy of this game. |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
Tactical Universal Research and Development Caldari Industrialist Association
15
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Posted - 2013.04.05 07:52:00 -
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Agana wrote:...In order to try and save some money I want to try to mine the ore myself.
Additionally, I have had very little contact with low sec for years and years now and want to try something new and fun. Over the last month I have been doing more and more stuff in Lowsec. I like it.
I am not sure if your mining efforts will be profitable in the long run, but it will be interesting and perhaps fun.
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Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
174
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Posted - 2013.04.05 15:14:00 -
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fwiw, i applaud your eagerness to explore the more dangerous areas of EVE, however you won't find any/much zyd or mega in low sec. you're going to need to locate some ABC's for that and that means null sec, with decent sec status too. which also means lots of random neut ratters coming in and out of the system. try NCP null to get started and be ready to stock up some additional ships and clones for those times you can't gtfo fast enough. gl. |
Kodama Ikari
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
67
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Posted - 2013.04.07 16:18:00 -
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Agana wrote: However that argument has one flaw, namely that I would spend all my time in a mackinaw instead. Since I am looking for a change of pace I would likely be on a different character trying to learn pvp and getting blown up a lot if I were not in my venture.
So really when that extra variable is thrown into the mix I would make more in my venture since it would involve not actively spending isk but instead gathering it.
This is some super twisted logic you're going through. Just say "I know my mack is more profitable but I still want to try out lowsec venture mining for myself." If you say that you need the minerals, or that its profitable in its own way, or something like that... people (like myself) will try to argue with you and prove you "wrong." Some first-hand PI tips |
Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
187
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Posted - 2013.04.08 05:36:00 -
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Definitely try the lowsec route.
Not because it's profitable, but because the skills you develop keeping safe there will help you more in your time playing EVE than the extra ISK a highsec Mack would get you. Plus you don't need to spend 10m on a permit in lowsec.
Remember: If there are no other people in local, you are completely safe in lowsec. If there is even one neutral you are in danger.
Finally, the Venture is a PITA to catch because it requires a 3 point scram (too expensive to use widely in lowsec) or two point modules (seldom fitted to one ship). And if you lose it, no big deal, you lost a million ISK ship, nothing more. '... you cannot reason with the mining bots, you cannot negotiate with them, you can only bring them judgement in the form of Navy Antimatter, turn their Mackinaws to salvage and dust, smartbomb their pods, and burn their Mining Link implants with sweet incense...'- The Gospel according to St James 315 |
Ckra Trald
Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION
120
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Posted - 2013.04.10 00:24:00 -
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you're calculaitng lowsec ore AFTER logistics and potential losses. Sure can mine some fancy ore, but your yield is so low.
just sit in a hisec belt with a mack and mine veld with almost no risk after the barge changes, then sell the stuff and buy whatever you need.
or even better, ninja gas/ABC in wormholes if you got scanning skills, gas is very profitable with the venture now ^^ poorly made blunt forum post above ^^ |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
547
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Posted - 2013.04.10 17:13:00 -
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Agana wrote:Hello world,
I am going to try my hand at low sec mining in a venture. I have one fitted reasonably well, and put a prototype cloaking device on it.
My goal is be able to mine enough Zydrine and Megacyte to fuel some production jobs. Specifically, I have some frigate, destroyer and a cruiser BPOs and have been trying to sell ships so I can make a little more then what just selling the raw minerals will get me. I know I can just buy the minerals, but that's not as fun as trying to low sec mine.
My thoughts for how to go about this are as follows:
Go to random low sec system. Cruise around the asteroid belts till I find one not occupied by npc pirates. Align myself to a stellar object, and begin mining. If someone warps into the belt I could hit my cloak and wait for them to leave.
Having no real experience in pvp, I don't know if this is an effective tactic. Would I be better off just warping out as soon as someone comes into the belt? I saw mention in some thread a while ago about forcing someone to decloak, but I don't know how that works.
Does anyone else have any advice on better ways to mine low sec solo? I am not one to discourage you from trying something new, but I have never seen Arknor or Bistot in low sec even in grav sites. That leaves your only possibly for megacyte to be Spodumain. Spod is currently worth only 81 isk/m3,(less than half the value of veldspar) and takes for ever to accumulate as it is 16m3 per unit. That makes a huge difference. For example mining veldspar at 1500m3/min or 4500m3 per cycle (22500 per strip) will bring you in 15,000 units of veldspar per minute. Mining spod with the same MACK although the same m3 will only bring in about 94 units of Spodumain. your venture is probably only bringing in 1/3 what the mack does. In theory a max skilled venture with max skilled mining drones and drone mining rigs can pull in up to 960m3/min but most fits I have seen are more in the 600m3/min range. A 600m3/min venture will only pull in about 37 units of Spod per minute. I know you are not worried about the isk/hr but to put it in perspective mining Spodumain in a 600m3/min Venture is less than 3M/hr 2.8 mil per hour actually. And I am not even sure you will see Spod in low sec grav sites.
Arknor and Bistot will only appear in null sec belts with a true sec lower than -0.8 or in hidden belts in sov null sec. Spodumain is more common but still not a low sec ore. These three are the only sources of megacyte. Mining rare minerals in low sec? Zydrine yes megacyte no. |
Haulie Berry
378
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Posted - 2013.04.11 16:23:00 -
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Ckra Trald wrote:
or even better, ninja gas/ABC in wormholes if you got scanning skills, gas is very profitable with the venture now
This is a much better plan and will probably be more fun and more profitable than mucking about in low sec. |
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Ace Warbringer
Slowboats Inc.
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Posted - 2013.04.11 21:30:00 -
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I've been doing this in both a retriever and a venture, both have some serious drawbacks
1 neither can stand up to heavy rats, unless you cloak and run, your toast. 2 A pirate (capsule) can get you like above once within 2k, cloak drops
the problem I keep running into is the heavy rats, even with a tank they tend to scrap my ship deep into armor if I stand and fight.
now I have run this setup in a retriever recently with some tweeks
high; 1 strip, 1 adv cloak 2
mid; 1 med shield extender
low; 1 warp stab and 2 shield buffs
works okay for survivability as long as I pay attention but no yield at all.
I've been trying different fits as I go so no hard numbers.
"Moar DAKKA!!!!" |
Sabriz Adoudel
Resurgent Threat
200
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:24:00 -
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Ace Warbringer wrote:I've been doing this in both a retriever and a venture, both have some serious drawbacks
1 neither can stand up to heavy rats, unless you cloak and run, your toast. 2 A pirate (capsule) can get you like above once within 2k, cloak drops
the problem I keep running into is the heavy rats, even with a tank they tend to scrap my ship deep into armor if I stand and fight.
now I have run this setup in a retriever recently with some tweeks
high; 1 strip, 1 adv cloak 2
mid; 1 med shield extender
low; 1 warp stab and 2 shield buffs
works okay for survivability as long as I pay attention but no yield at all.
I've been trying different fits as I go so no hard numbers.
Not a fan of running 1 WCS.
Most lowsec pirates intend to kill solo. This means they want MWDs deactivated so they can apply damage. 2 point scrams are much more common.
0 or 2, IMO. '... you cannot reason with the mining bots, you cannot negotiate with them, you can only bring them judgement in the form of Navy Antimatter, turn their Mackinaws to salvage and dust, smartbomb their pods, and burn their Mining Link implants with sweet incense...'- The Gospel according to St James 315 |
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
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Posted - 2013.04.11 23:37:00 -
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Counter argument: Most of the time, when someone sees a mining ship on dscan, they'll be in a hurry to get you before you warp off and just head to 0 on the belt. If you're paying attention and mining far from the warp-in point (hint you should be doing these things), loki boosted long-points are your only worry, and one WCS can save you from those. Alternatively, if they have a warpin on you to land a scram, that means they've had covert eyes on you... and what the hell are you doing still in belt with a shiptype unknown neutral in system?
But either way lowsec mining is pretty pointless unless you just get a kick out of it. |
jobabor mirrome
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.12 02:16:00 -
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I dont do it for the ISK. mining in safe space is WAY more profitable. The boredom of high sec mining is what drives me to low sec mining. I usually high sec mine when I can play semi-afk, but head to low sec as soon as I can play without leaving my keyboard. The ISK is irrelevant to me as I make plenty enough for an occasional ship loss.
So doing it for fun is what drives me. |
Dave Stark
2545
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Posted - 2013.04.12 08:43:00 -
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jobabor mirrome wrote:So doing it for fun is what drives me.
so... why are you mining? |
Ace Warbringer
Slowboats Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.04.12 09:54:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:jobabor mirrome wrote:So doing it for fun is what drives me. so... why are you mining?
probably the same reason I am, for the challenge of it. "Moar DAKKA!!!!" |
Dave Stark
2548
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Posted - 2013.04.12 11:01:00 -
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Ace Warbringer wrote:Dave Stark wrote:jobabor mirrome wrote:So doing it for fun is what drives me. so... why are you mining? probably the same reason I am, for the challenge of it.
challenge. mining.
hah. |
jobabor mirrome
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:07:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Ace Warbringer wrote:Dave Stark wrote:jobabor mirrome wrote:So doing it for fun is what drives me. so... why are you mining? probably the same reason I am, for the challenge of it. challenge. mining. hah.
No, the challenge for me as a new player with a low skill set, is to try to mine while other players are actively trying to hunt you down. No way to beat an experienced player due to the skill acquisition time that the game has designed into it, and not currently looking to join a corp for the support, so mining in low sec is some form of challenge with some form of reward. (not much from an ISK standpoint). At least I have to pay attention.
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Dave Stark
2549
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Posted - 2013.04.12 16:31:00 -
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jobabor mirrome wrote:No way to beat an experienced player due to the skill acquisition time that the game has designed into it
that's not true at all. |
jobabor mirrome
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.12 17:05:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:jobabor mirrome wrote:No way to beat an experienced player due to the skill acquisition time that the game has designed into it that's not true at all.
My limited experience in the game has shown me that the ships and skillsets for players improve over time. Most long term players are in corps and have always shown up around me in groups of 2 or more, with different skillsets and ships to render whatever offensive weapons i've had useless, and warp out impossible. I dont see how a relatively new player, playing solo can stand up in a fight (at least the ones i've encountered).
I am willing to learn from your knowledge if you are willing to share any tips? |
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