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Magnum VII
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Posted - 2005.09.10 06:24:00 -
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Edited by: Magnum VII on 10/09/2005 06:27:38
All CCP has to do is buy somthing from this dope then they can see where they get it in game and wam! They got him.
Ebay loser
He says since Beta even.
I know we can buy something to know who he is, but then that would not be right and I would never buy anything from these losers anyways.
But if we did know who they are we could war dec them.
But then again they probably have the stuff change many hands.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.09.10 06:33:00 -
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If they buy something from him, they're giving him money, which really isn't a good thing.
And have you looked at all the stuff that's for sale on eBay? They'd have to spend a fortune to stop everyone from doing it. And they can only stop the ones who don't use 3rd parties to transfer the goods.
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Magnum VII
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Posted - 2005.09.10 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
If they buy something from him, they're giving him money, which really isn't a good thing.
And have you looked at all the stuff that's for sale on eBay? They'd have to spend a fortune to stop everyone from doing it. And they can only stop the ones who don't use 3rd parties to transfer the goods.
Oh yeah 3rd parties, hmm oh well.
How about war declarations against even the 3rd parties, but nope the 3rd parties are probably sitting docked.
Oh well IĈm taking the link down.
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CelticKnight
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Posted - 2005.09.10 06:50:00 -
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Is it too much to ask for people to have an honest game?? if i wanted to play a game to make MONEY and sell stuff on ebay, id be playing EQ Online! where thats perfectly legal and totally allowed.
Cant they just have a go at EBAY for doing this?? tell em to take it down or something??
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Vincent Rainbow
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Posted - 2005.09.10 07:29:00 -
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As far as i know it isn't illegal. Its just against the EULA. Still not good for the game though.
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Jastra
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Posted - 2005.09.10 07:47:00 -
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If it's against the EULA, doesnt that allow you to complain to Ebay?
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Martin Gore
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Posted - 2005.09.10 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: Martin Gore on 10/09/2005 08:35:39
I'd be more worried about uber massive macro miner accounts, you know like the 8 accounts strip mining noob belts, or the multi noob ice miners mining in places like Jita 23hrs a day. Kill the macro miners and you kill the ebay prob a lot.
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Sherkaner
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Posted - 2005.09.10 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jastra
If it's against the EULA, doesnt that allow you to complain to Ebay?
Unfortunately not, that it's against the EULA doesn't mean it's against the law 
I can assure you that CCP is very aware of both the ISK selling and the macro mining problems, and doing everything they can to stop both, sometimes with spectacuar results. 
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Cerberal
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Posted - 2005.09.10 08:57:00 -
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Last night in masalle there were 2 macro groups hitting plagioclase and Veldspar. Me and another guy decided to do our part for the community, both bought breachers, and with the help of one other person, destroyed the industrial hauling the ore.
Take out the indys to stop the cashflow if you arent afraid to suicide. And yes, you dont have to be able to use a kestrel to suicide run, a breacher works just fine. I only took a 2 point security hit from the ship destruction, doesnt really hurt me a bit. You can make that up in a day.
So if you see them, sure you can petition, but every time ive seen someone do that they get the same response and no action is taken. So attack the industrial to waste a night of macro mining, and then we can start to cripple the macro economy.
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Magnum VII
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Posted - 2005.09.10 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cerberal
Edited by: Cerberal on 10/09/2005 09:01:09
Last night.......operation altogether =)
Now that is so sweet, and thanks. Also sounds like good fun and you are a hero in my book, I would like to do the same my self and I'm sure I will. I guess it is best to do it with a buddy or is it doable with just your self?
Also any one know a corporation that loves to do this?
And was it profitable? Could you get a bud to pick up the loot for you to split?
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.09.10 09:38:00 -
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always petition first then blow em up
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Thomus
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Posted - 2005.09.10 10:09:00 -
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EQ? wow whats that? I could play that whilst mining an make some REAL money too! hehe.
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Thomus
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Posted - 2005.09.10 10:14:00 -
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EverQuest - duh
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2005.09.10 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Adonis 4174 on 10/09/2005 10:57:04
Originally by: Sherkaner
Originally by: Jastra
If it's against the EULA, doesnt that allow you to complain to Ebay?
Unfortunately not, that it's against the EULA doesn't mean it's against the law
True, but is it not in fact against this?
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Dawn Princess
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Posted - 2005.09.10 11:05:00 -
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I find ebay is very lazy when it comes to policing these things.
For example, it is both illegal and a criminal act to sell works which infringe copyright and yet everytime you look at audiobooks on ebay.co.uk there are literally dozens of people selling MP3 versions of the Harry Potter books etc all of which are obviously and utterly illegal and yet there they are week after week.
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Oriella Trikassi
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Posted - 2005.09.10 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174
True, but is it not in fact against
(International equivalent to be thorough)
Against what? That's Ebay making it legally clear that they are not going to do anything about it and will offer no help whatsoever to CCP for example in trying to stop abuse of their EULA.
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Jastra
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Posted - 2005.09.10 12:29:00 -
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I'm sure CCP are on to this, but, if the EULA is not a legal document, why have a EULA? - and if we as a community simply complained on mass to EBay about individual sellers?, or has that already been tried??, at the end of the day it's infringing rights, it's like someone selling copied music on Ebay, how long would that last :)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.09.10 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jastra
I'm sure CCP are on to this, but, if the EULA is not a legal document, why have a EULA? - and if we as a community simply complained on mass to EBay about individual sellers?, or has that already been tried??, at the end of the day it's infringing rights, it's like someone selling copied music on Ebay, how long would that last :)
A EULA allows people to be banned from the game.
You can't sue someone for breaking it, but you can ban them all you want.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.09.10 12:43:00 -
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I think CCP should publish statistics on accounts banned.
I'm not wholly convinced that their heart is in stopping the problem.
I would love to be proved wrong though.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.09.10 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
I think CCP should publish statistics on accounts banned.
I'm not wholly convinced that their heart is in stopping the problem.
I would love to be proved wrong though.
Take my word for it, nothing brights up a day of a GM then to ban several accounts who are all involved in macro mining and isk selling.
I actually half expect them to do an evil laugh too.
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ZOMG LOOTZ
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Posted - 2005.09.10 13:49:00 -
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huh. just a warning to u guys.
blowing up macrominers is allowed in suicide kessies IF you do it on your main account. if not, u get 4 trial accounts banned in one night. 
well, i petitioned the bastards, and then when i came back a few days later, most of them were back.
don't tell me they weren't macromining. anyone who ignores 4 kessies grouping around them, and then if the gank fails (ONE OF THEM HAD >5% HULL LEFT), they wait till the end of the cycle, fly back to station, dock, and fly back out into a group of kessies and start mining ice again. with 5% hull.
after the barges popped, they kept coming out again, in their pods, to where they used to mine. well, i felt pity of their poor little macro's, and PKed em to stop em wasting their time in the end. 
i'm all heart
still, another wild stab in the dark at tryna get some bans: LOOK IN THE DAMN ICE FIELd IN MALKALEN IF YOU WANNA BRIGHTEN YOUR DAY UP ERIS 
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.09.10 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
..nothing brights up a day of a GM then to ban several accounts[...] I actually half expect them to do an evil laugh too.
Hahah is it okay if I quote it like this? 
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.09.10 15:35:00 -
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if CCP buys stuff off a guy and bans his characters...
then the macrominer needs to create more accounts...
giving the money he made of from selling the isk to CCP back...
so CCP makes a profit but the macro gets to pay more then he made...
and in the end he will realise that hes not gona profit from this anymore...
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Ekscalybur
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Posted - 2005.09.10 16:03:00 -
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All it would take to make this illegal, is a team of really good lawyers and some money, ok, lots of money. Because people on Ebay are selling CCP's intellectual property. They can't claim they earned the ingame items, no one can. We are leasing our accounts, CCP still claims ownership of everything Eve. About the only reason it isn't illegal now is because the laws have not caught up with technology to protect virtual property.
Claiming its virtual property and isn't real doesn't count either. These kinds of "blackmarkets" cause a very real financial blow to the companies who create and host these types of games. These types of activities decrease customer satisfaction, and if run amok drive away paying customers because of ruined virtual economies.
Our biggest problem as customers is no single company wants to pony up the cash needed to get the laws changed.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2005.09.10 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sherkaner
Originally by: Jastra
If it's against the EULA, doesnt that allow you to complain to Ebay?
Unfortunately not, that it's against the EULA doesn't mean it's against the law
I can assure you that CCP is very aware of both the ISK selling and the macro mining problems, and doing everything they can to stop both, sometimes with spectacuar results.
That news item is several months old. It would do more for player morale if there was a page on this site listing the NAMES of banned isk-farmers and the dates.
Yeah, I've heard that 'privacy' stuff and I don't buy it. Name and Shame. 
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Posted - 2005.09.10 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Jastra
I'm sure CCP are on to this, but, if the EULA is not a legal document, why have a EULA? - and if we as a community simply complained on mass to EBay about individual sellers?, or has that already been tried??, at the end of the day it's infringing rights, it's like someone selling copied music on Ebay, how long would that last :)
A EULA allows people to be banned from the game.
You can't sue someone for breaking it, but you can ban them all you want.
Thats not entirely true... when you accept the eula, your agreeing to be bound by its rules... Now, taking that into account, say you were to write your own version of the eve server. That is against the eula, and will most likely also get you sued.
There's also been a few cases were people have been sued for breaking eula's (none for mmo's that i know of, but certainly for other software)
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Jex Jast
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Posted - 2005.09.11 05:41:00 -
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I hate to antagonize with the macroer issue again, but I'd just like to make a small point:
It is completely legal to annihilate someone's ship in high-sec. You of course must lose your own, but such an act is not against the EULA. So why do GMs have problems with people massacring macro-miners? Is it because they're prejudicing or something? So CCP is almost protecting macroers by refusing to allow people to kill them in high sec; while the honest hard-working newbies and carebears can get pummeled all over the place.
This must mean that you can kill macroers without any penalty more than losing your ship. If you accept the loss of your ship, anyone is fair game in high sec.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.09.11 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dakath
It would do more for player morale if there was a page on this site listing the NAMES of banned isk-farmers and the dates.
Yeah, I've heard that 'privacy' stuff and I don't buy it. Name and Shame.
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I think that ISK should be classified as CCP's intellectual property, and therefore selling it for money is violating their intellectual property rights, and therefore they sue you for selling ISK. The EULA technically IS a legal contract, by logging on to the EVE server you accept the EULA, and therefore I think they should be able to sue you for violating it.
I think that if people want to use EVE to make real money, they should have to risk real money too, in the form of a lawsuit.
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Posted - 2005.09.11 06:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dante Chusuk on 11/09/2005 06:45:04
Originally by: Dakath
That news item is several months old. It would do more for player morale if there was a page on this site listing the NAMES of banned isk-farmers and the dates.
Yeah, I've heard that 'privacy' stuff and I don't buy it. Name and Shame.
Totally agreed, near to (and over) Christmas/New Year period over here they Name and Shame drink drivers they catch and convict (at least they do in my county). The deciding body for this is obviously the local council (speaking for the people) and the police (in my case) who decide for the enforcing authority.
Well I think the players will agree to this for proven macro miners/ISK sellers, all it requires is the GMs/Devs to sit down and agree to this (and I think they will based on Eris' comment )
Fly safe people and if you're wandering through Empire remember to check the belts fpr macro miners
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Bakkus
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Posted - 2005.09.11 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Dakath
I think that ISK should be classified as CCP's intellectual property, and therefore selling it for money is violating their intellectual property rights, and therefore they sue you for selling ISK. The EULA technically IS a legal contract, by logging on to the EVE server you accept the EULA, and therefore I think they should be able to sue you for violating it.
There have already been numerous attempts to stop companies like ebay selling ingame items. The legal stance is that the sellers are selling the time they invested in aquiring the in-game item or ISK.
Would it not be more sensible to log item and ISK transactions from suspect ISK sellers and when proven also ban the people who buy items. CCP have stated they are totally against this but i have never heard of anyone being banned for buying isk which i think would go along way towards solving the problem.
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