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Don geddon
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Posted - 2005.09.10 16:33:00 -
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The last act of a desperate man.
That is what this is all about in my opinion. Cujo 4tw! |
Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.09.10 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Khaerie on 10/09/2005 16:38:20
 Originally by: Destroyer Draxx
Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 10/09/2005 16:23:58
PS : I though u quit from ur official position Khaerie ;P .Wb 
I was wondering when that was going to be brought up. lol. Very astute Destroyer. One of the demands made by FIX is that I retake the diplomat position, seriously, they wrote it in to the agreement.
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:29:00 - [59] - Quote
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An alliance cannot trade away space when under heavy siege and allready lost 2/3 of their space...
Any who would say yes to a offer like this would have to rethink their IQ... dont ya think?
Again, based on past events, no region except the one where actual fighting is happening has ever been considered a warzone or even contested. Keep trying though, I'm enjoying this.
Posted - 2005.09.10 16:29:00 - [58] - Quote
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Edited by: Coupo on 10/09/2005 16:33:03
Edited by: Coupo on 10/09/2005 16:30:44
(From my grasp on politics.. loose one at that.. this is my take on this)
Just one thing:
If both sides in the Stain civilwar accept that the war between them is INDEED a civilwar. Then this "contract" is invalid because SA and SE are one, so Diplomacy with one group would mean jack to the other group as they both claim the same regions.
So FIX cant own Catch.. Stain (x) does.
Where (x) is the overall winner.
IF FIX claim it.. with SE's word then FIX would be paramount to declaring war on SA or declaring that they do not respect SA, which wouldnt be a bright idea as both are long established alliances and should get along and grow fat off each other.
After all SA will win the civil war, they already have :/
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I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
We have stated from the beginning that it ws not a civil war and still say it is not. For it to be a civil war they would have had to be in the alliance. Yes Stain Allaince formerly known as Coalition was supportive as allies; however, no allies that fight against their friends have ever been called a civil war by others. We will not call it one now.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.09.10 16:39:00 -
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neither SA/SE or fix can claim catch.
Stain space for either alliance starts at GE-8JV and heads south with the exception of the area of space from ge or V3 heading to the player controled station in FAT.
From B-3QPD to Hed-gp is 0.0 highway and is the main transfer for upto 6 seperate alliance's.
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.09.10 16:43:00 -
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Quote:
We have stated from the beginning that it ws not a civil war and still say it is not. For it to be a civil war they would have had to be in the alliance. Yes Stain Allaince formerly known as Coalition was supportive as allies; however, no allies that fight against their friends have ever been called a civil war by others. We will not call it one now.
Well its just that it screams civil war to me and also to the people ive seen and talked to on both sides of the fence. However, if you do not see it as a civil war then this move could have been a brilliant and bold one.
And i will be watching this one closely to see how it all pans out :).
There is after all nothing like a good old war to sort the men from the boys :P
I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
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DeathForMeh
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Posted - 2005.09.10 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: UnIQu3
An alliance cannot trade away space when under heavy siege and allready lost 2/3 of their space...
lol i think they just did but gg
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Taz Devlin
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Posted - 2005.09.10 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Khaerie
We have stated from the beginning that it ws not a civil war and still say it is not. For it to be a civil war they would have had to be in the alliance. Yes Stain Allaince formerly known as Coalition was supportive as allies; however, no allies that fight against their friends have ever been called a civil war by others. We will not call it one now.
That I can tell you is not for you to decide, specially one who was not even around when the following was written and agreed upon by the entire SE at the time
Quote:
this is from the archives
Greetings fellow citizens,
I have been entrusted with the task of informing you of recent changes.
As some of you know, Mass have officially removed all SE tags and gone to explore new frontiers. This has been known to many of us for some time now and we wish Trigger & co all the best in theyr quest for answers.
The reasons for this decision is for MASS to reveal if they so choose to do, let it be known that it is on good terms they have done this.
Trigger has been a good Emperor to Stain, and will remain so during and after theyr little holiday.
For the time being Light Darkness will try his utmost to fill the gigantic vacum currently left by Trigger. His title will be "Interim"
Make no mistake, Stain is still as powerfull as ever.
Let the heretics make the mistake of thinking us weak at theyr peril.
On behalf of Stain Council
Taz Devlin
That little message clearly states that Trigger is and allways was Emperor of SE.
SE disputing that makes it a civil war wether you want to or not.
Fly with us!
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.09.10 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Taz Devlin
Originally by: Khaerie
We have stated from the beginning that it ws not a civil war and still say it is not. For it to be a civil war they would have had to be in the alliance. Yes Stain Allaince formerly known as Coalition was supportive as allies; however, no allies that fight against their friends have ever been called a civil war by others. We will not call it one now.
That I can tell you is not for you to decide, specially one who was not even around when the following was written and agreed upon by the entire SE at the time
Quote:
this is from the archives
Greetings fellow citizens,
I have been entrusted with the task of informing you of recent changes.
As some of you know, Mass have officially removed all SE tags and gone to explore new frontiers. This has been known to many of us for some time now and we wish Trigger & co all the best in theyr quest for answers.
The reasons for this decision is for MASS to reveal if they so choose to do, let it be known that it is on good terms they have done this.
Trigger has been a good Emperor to Stain, and will remain so during and after theyr little holiday.
For the time being Light Darkness will try his utmost to fill the gigantic vacum currently left by Trigger. His title will be "Interim"
Make no mistake, Stain is still as powerfull as ever.
Let the heretics make the mistake of thinking us weak at theyr peril.
On behalf of Stain Council
Taz Devlin
That little message clearly states that Trigger is and allways was Emperor of SE.
SE disputing that makes it a civil war wether you want to or not.
I'm sorry, I believe my tag says Stain Empire and Trigger's said Coalition and now Stain Alliance.
As such Stain Alliance is indeed following that edict. I will not be part of an alliance based on lies and deception.
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.09.10 16:59:00 -
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hmm..
"Flawless" said mr Aziz
/end friendly jab :P
I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.09.10 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/09/2005 17:14:08
Originally by: Thorval
Any way you sugarcoat this with words trying desperately to make it sound logical and reasonable,
Everyone knows that this is just Fix meddling in a civil war.
All of the south knows that SE space is contested in a civil war and SE "giving" Catch to Fix is plainly a desperate attempt to make their defeat less embarrassing.
Looks like it's worked to me, lol
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.09.10 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: JoCool on 10/09/2005 17:28:09
I see it like this. If SA can take over the stations before they can be "given" to FIX they remain in SA's hands. So, if SA takes the stations first, SE lied to FIX. Because SE couldn't hold the stations long enough to fulfill their agreements.
As the Stain Nation is in a civil war, neither side can make any international agreements and be expected to hold them. FIX should condemn and judge those who made false offers later with guns!
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.09.10 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: JoCool
Edited by: JoCool on 10/09/2005 17:28:09
I see it like this. If SA can take over the stations before they can be "given" to FIX they remain in SA's hands. So, if SA takes the stations first, SE lied to FIX. Because SE couldn't hold the stations long enough to fulfill their agreements.
As the Stain Nation is in a civil war, neither side can make any international agreements and be expected to hold them. FIX should condemn and judge those who made false offers later with guns!
If you had done this before the agreement was reached you might have had a bit of a point. However, you don't. Also, again, you are not part of Stain Empire and in fact, never was. You cannot claim civil war not that I don't blame you guys for using the tactic, you clearly needed it to get anywhere.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.09.10 17:46:00 -
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haha I'm not part of the Stain Nation at the moment, I lived there for a year though. Nonetheless I may voice my opinion, and it is common sense that agreements made by voice or paper that cannot get enforced are void, worthless and false.
If the SE is not able to hand over the stations in time, the FIX Nation should demand reparations from the SE members that broke their contract!
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DeathForMeh
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Posted - 2005.09.10 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: DeathForMeh on 10/09/2005 17:58:36
Originally by: JoCool
haha I'm not part of the Stain Nation at the moment, I lived there for a year though. Nonetheless I may voice my opinion, and it is common sense that agreements made by voice or paper that cannot get enforced are void, worthless and false.
If the SE is not able to hand over the stations in time, the FIX Nation should demand reparations from the SE members that broke their contract!
Im pritty sure its all ready been said that the stations have been handed to fix. Not that they will be.
Edit: also since your a wanna be lawer you might try and rember that this is a gift and not a agreement as stain is given catch to fix with no expectations, agreemnts means both sides get something this is just one side. A gift is not enforcable ie you cant sue for a gift waa my mom said i was supposed to get a car for by birthday but i kille 500m and now she wont give it so im sueing for 20k to buy a new car.
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.09.10 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: JoCool
haha I'm not part of the Stain Nation at the moment, I lived there for a year though. Nonetheless I may voice my opinion, and it is common sense that agreements made by voice or paper that cannot get enforced are void, worthless and false.
If the SE is not able to hand over the stations in time, the FIX Nation should demand reparations from the SE members that broke their contract!
I do not argue that you can voice your opinion any way you wish. It doesn't make it a valid point.
Safe flying.
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looMin uS
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:13:00 -
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Civil War:
A war between factions or regions of the same country.
A state of hostility or conflict between elements within an organization.
The war in the United States between the Union(SE) and the confederacy(SA) from 1861 to 1865...
There were no allies in said war just a nation at arms against eachother...
IMO all should let the 2 settle it amongst themselves be it by diplomacy or f1, f2, f3...Until then i think whatever takes place is fair game... |
Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:13:00 -
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And Carrie--a response is not needed for everything post.
Get a grip, woman.
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Nebba Kenezzer
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:13:00 -
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The demise of the Stain Empire is upon you.
1 less region....no more Pvp'ers.
Good luck. You'll need it.
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
And Carrie--a response is not needed for everything post.
Get a grip, woman.
Yup, make the statements and get out of the commentary :p It's not helping anything...
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Trulon Pac
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Trulon Pac on 10/09/2005 18:19:31
In Triggers post from the 4th you can see what SA are claiming in this civil war...
"The rebirth of the mighty Stain Alliance is now imminent.
Current Stain Empire corporations are invited to apply and we shall talk.
Corporations not wishing to leave Stain Empire are hereby given 7 days to leave the regions of :
Stain, Catch , Esoteria and Paragon Soul.
After the 7 days SE corporations will be removed from the said regions ."
These are plain words.
Therefore Catch is clearly disputed territory.
So how can anyone give it away or receive it?
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Emilia White
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: looMin uS
Civil War:
A war between factions or regions of the same country.
A state of hostility or conflict between elements within an organization.
The war in the United States between the Union(SE) and the confederacy(SA) from 1861 to 1865...
There were no allies in said war just a nation at arms against eachother...
IMO all should let the 2 settle it amongst themselves be it by diplomacy or f1, f2, f3...Until then i think whatever takes place is fair game...
would of been fine but SA draged 5 into it, so at that point whatever SE did to bring others in wouldn't be any worse
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Khaerie
Originally by: JoCool
Edited by: JoCool on 10/09/2005 17:28:09
I see it like this. If SA can take over the stations before they can be "given" to FIX they remain in SA's hands. So, if SA takes the stations first, SE lied to FIX. Because SE couldn't hold the stations long enough to fulfill their agreements.
As the Stain Nation is in a civil war, neither side can make any international agreements and be expected to hold them. FIX should condemn and judge those who made false offers later with guns!
If you had done this before the agreement was reached you might have had a bit of a point. However, you don't. Also, again, you are not part of Stain Empire and in fact, never was. You cannot claim civil war not that I don't blame you guys for using the tactic
You sir, are really starting to **** me off. You have been in stain for what? six months? You know nothing about who's been and who is in stain. and now you are going around saying who has been and who isnt in stain? you should just quit when you are ahead. and fyi JoCool lived in stain long before you were even near there so just cut the crap.
If you bothered to look you would see that he was infact, yes, a member of MASS.
Now stop pretending you actually meant something in the history of stain 
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Arud
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Emilia White
Originally by: looMin uS
Civil War:
A war between factions or regions of the same country.
A state of hostility or conflict between elements within an organization.
The war in the United States between the Union(SE) and the confederacy(SA) from 1861 to 1865...
There were no allies in said war just a nation at arms against eachother...
IMO all should let the 2 settle it amongst themselves be it by diplomacy or f1, f2, f3...Until then i think whatever takes place is fair game...
would of been fine but SA draged 5 into it, so at that point whatever SE did to bring others in wouldn't be any worse
how did SA drag the 5 into this?
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Joan Smith
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:25:00 -
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i got to say smart move by se lol
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Khaerie on 10/09/2005 18:27:58
Originally by: looMin uS
Civil War:
A war between factions or regions of the same country.
A state of hostility or conflict between elements within an organization.
The war in the United States between the Union(SE) and the confederacy(SA) from 1861 to 1865...
There were no allies in said war just a nation at arms against eachother...
IMO all should let the 2 settle it amongst themselves be it by diplomacy or f1, f2, f3...Until then i think whatever takes place is fair game...
Civil War...The Union was a part of the United States then broke off to war. SA did not do that. Keep trying.
Hast, a member of MASS was and is a member of Stain Alliance. ty for trying. I'll leave the flaming to you and simply stick with facts.
Nebba, I have indeed been trying to cut back, even I think it is too much but I just can't resist pointing out the flaws people make in their own arguments. 
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Kozak
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:29:00 -
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Guys, let me put you at ease...
"THIS IS GOOD FOR STAIN"
- By every other SA member
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SPUFFofDoG
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:30:00 -
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well atleast we can say we stirred up things & your not getting an easy ride, if it was just your Allaince and not the [5]aswell then you would not be in this position to take SE, so are you saying that the [5] shouldnt be fighting for you as this is a civil war? we never asked FIX to fight we just gave them Stain Empires last piece of real estate. :)
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DeGrand
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:35:00 -
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I don`t see the problem really..just shoot FIX too if you don`t like this move (im sure theyd like to have some targets again  )..otherwise..shaddap.
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Kozak
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:36:00 -
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When you started dragging other allianced into it, we had no other choice but to fight dirty, and I haven't showered in days...
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Creamster
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:41:00 -
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Quite an achievement for SE command - instead of losing something they gave it away. Well done!
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Destroyer Draxx
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Posted - 2005.09.10 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Destroyer Draxx on 10/09/2005 18:46:48
Originally by: SPUFFofDoG
well atleast we can say we stirred up things & your not getting an easy ride, if it was just your Allaince and not the [5]aswell then you would not be in this position to take SE, so are you saying that the [5] shouldnt be fighting for you as this is a civil war? we never asked FIX to fight we just gave them Stain Empires last piece of real estate. :)
Originally by: Kozak
When you started dragging other allianced into it, we had no other choice but to fight dirty, and I haven't showered in days...
So ASCN and V are ok mendling in the war, but the 5 not. I really dont get ur point. Now u bring in Fix in this as well. Im sure there is something I dont get ...yup that would be ur point. Really I getting to the point where smacking starting to sound good.
Btw this is for u kozak n all the crap u posted bout "True Stain" n "True Emperor". The "True" Stain n Emperor would not go around giving regions away for free to save their .....
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