Ladies and gentlemen, how many simultaneous threads on the IGS do you need for one single mud-slinging contest?

All of them?

Apparently so.

Ladies and gentlemen, how many simultaneous threads on the IGS do you need for one single mud-slinging contest?

Nah. There's always the Disciples of Ston thread to bring some class to this circus.

So. Why are their actions treasonous? You go on at length about treason, but that one detail...

So. Why are their actions treasonous? You go on at length about treason, but that one detail...

Mens Reppola is one of the main instigators ,along with others of the signing of the appeasment treaty with the enemy. Even after the recent atrocities of the destroying of the Shiigeru, rather than continue the fight he has handed over back control of our planet.

He must be removed from his position as CEO Ishukone Corporation.

Ladies and gentlemen, can there be anyone tonight who is so blind fails to realize that the Gallente Federation has said the time is now? That this is the time for the show down between the Caldari Sate and the atheistic Gallente Federation.
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The reason why we find ourselves in a position of impotency is not because our powerful enemy has sent men to invade our regions our space our planets, but rather because of the traitorous actions of those who have been treated so well by this State. It has not been the less fortunate, or members of minority groups who have been traitorous to this State, but rather those who have had all the benefits that the wealthiest State in New Eden has had to offer.

This is glaringly true in the case of the Mega Corporations and the Chief Executive Panel. There the men who are born with silver spoons in their mouths are the ones who have been most traitorous

As you know, very recently Ishukone CEO Mens Reppola is guilty of what has always been considered as the most abominable of all crimes, being a traitor to the Caldari people while in a position of great trust, high treason.

He has lighted the spark which is resulting in a moral uprising and will end only when the whole sorry mess of twisted, warped thinkers like Mens Reppola and others, are swept from the Mega Corporations and the Caldari State scene so that we may have a new birth of honesty and decency with Tibus Heth.

Ladies and gentlemen, can there be anyone tonight who is so blind fails to realize that the Gallente Federation has said the time is now? That this is the time for the show down between the Caldari Sate and the atheistic Gallente Federation.

Unless we face this fact, we shall pay the price that must be paid by those who wait too long.

When a great State is destroyed, it will not be from enemies from without, but rather because of enemies from within.

The reason why we find ourselves in a position of impotency is not because our powerful enemy has sent men to invade our regions our space our planets, but rather because of the traitorous actions of those who have been treated so well by this State. It has not been the less fortunate, or members of minority groups who have been traitorous to this State, but rather those who have had all the benefits that the wealthiest State in New Eden has had to offer.

This is glaringly true in the case of the Mega Corporations and the Chief Executive Panel. There the men who are born with silver spoons in their mouths are the ones who have been most traitorous

As you know, very recently Ishukone CEO Mens Reppola is guilty of what has always been considered as the most abominable of all crimes, being a traitor to the Caldari people while in a position of great trust, high treason.

He has lighted the spark which is resulting in a moral uprising and will end only when the whole sorry mess of twisted, warped thinkers like Mens Reppola and others, are swept from the Mega Corporations and the Caldari State scene so that we may have a new birth of honesty and decency with Tibus Heth.

Laid in a bed with gallentean scum.
Talking to them as they are their friends.
Kneeing before them...
Bargaining with them...

This is disgusting, this is dishonorable. They lost their face, they lost their pride and they insulted heroes of CN Shiigeru and our ancestors!

...show down between the Caldari Sate and the atheistic Gallente Federation.

See, I thought treason was using a group of terrorists to act against the decision of the Chief Executive Panel...

Seems that the State is coming full circle in it's wayward internal affairs. Tibus Heth will keep you in an infinite loop of self destruction until more people wise up.

Though here in the Federation we have very different ideas of treason. You can speak out against the government, but causing the deaths of millions of Gallente soldiers and the loss of a planet justifies public execution by internal combustion. I guess both are worthy of such a terrible fate in the State.

It is difficult to understand, I am sure. However, the Caldari traditionally place extreme value on the community and the merit of our leadership. We are expected to sacrifice daily to serve the good of the many and this involves displaying discretion in our speech and behavior publicly.

Being half Caldari myself I do appreciate Caldari values, especially that of community. However, could it be possible that staying silent in the face of poor leadership is not for the greater good? Is it good for the community to allow someone to that could hurt it to stay in power? My Gallente side is saying "certainly not".

It is only ever acceptable to question leadership if you have a better candidate to lead in mind and if the candidate has displayed that she or he would accept your support.

In a meritocracy the simplest method of doing so is to step in and do a better job yourself, of course.

So I see the Amarrian inquisition has set up shop in The State very interesting.

Well, I think the CEP have aptly demonstrated this.

Hell, Pieter, if we had to keep the position of executor, I'd vote for you or Verin. I know that's not actually how it works, but it's the thought that counts, right?

I would NEVER accept that position willingly and, if I were forced to do so, I would immediately move to have the office itself declared redundant.

I would NEVER accept that position willingly and, if I were forced to do so, I would immediately move to have the office itself declared redundant.

So I see the Amarrian inquisition has set up shop in The State very interesting.

The Empire does not interfere in the internal affairs of its allies.

The Caldari will decide what direction the State will take. This is not anything we Amarr have any business meddling with. When the State finishes sorting out its internal difficulties, the Empress will decide how the Empire reacts.

Hopefully we will still be allies, if God wills it.

Something tells me a similar response for the Union or the Matari Republic is not quite as politically correct.

The Republic and the Federation are not our allies. They are our enemies. I hope this makes matters clear for you.

"Allies" of political convenience make for untrustworthy companions at best.

You may want to consider applying that line of reasoning for yourself, then. A group that would attack CONCORD itself whenever it suits them would certainly think little of stabbing you in the back, either.

The Empire does not interfere in the internal affairs of its allies.

The Caldari will decide what direction the State will take. This is not anything we Amarr have any business meddling with. When the State finishes sorting out its internal difficulties, the Empress will decide how the Empire reacts.

Hopefully we will still be allies, if God wills it.

News to us.

I see a colorful future for Caldari Provisions in the junk bonds game if such dissident elements are allowed to continue to act as spokespeople.

Oh, Khross. Merely being snide. Contrary to popular opinion, I have a sense of humor, if a bit dry.

No worries, I've been reliably informed that I don't have one.

For a Caldari, his politics should never undermine his duty to the State.

I encourage that at this time Caldari State citizens, regardless of their policies, to not present a face of fractionalism. Given civil unrest in the current circumstances, whilst some ideological clashes will be inevitable, I believe that it is in our best interest to work towards a co-operative outcome between the Provists and those Caldari who place their faith foremost in the authority of the CEP.

For a Caldari, his politics should never undermine his duty to the State.

Naive idea at best, is not the very concept of "the duty to the State" political?

Those who believe that the CEP is the ultimate State authority and those who seem to think that the CPD is the new, ultimate authority are still both voicing their political ideas, after all?

In short, when you have a CEP/CPD division, Human and Post-Human citizens of the State both need to decide for themselves who to hold themselves accountable to - is the good of the State served by following the directive of the CEP, or the CPD? They are by now nearly mutually exclusive.

Not to be a cynic, Nikulainen-haani, but calling the conflict "idealogical" seems a little disingenuous. The CPD has already sent ships to directly engage others under CEP orders. People have died for this affair, and it is not a secret. I think that the time in which anything but a face of fractionalism can be presented until the conflict is solved has, regrettably, passed us by.

One can not be amicable to a poison that is actively harming oneself in each and every moment. It can only be expunged before any more damage is done.

No, you are a cynic and you are free to be so. Disingenuous? Yeah, it is. Am I aware of the death toll? Absolutely. Do I agree with you? Certainly not. Do I find your use of metaphor trite? Definitely.

Many more people will die in a full-scale civil war. You're probably right that it has already begun, that we can't prevent it, but we are not too late to limit the damage it causes.

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Also, Pieter, very apt. I'm happy to be proven right that a Caldari reader would understand my Caldari sentiment.

My apologies, Nikulainen-haani. I have obviously offended you...

Then perhaps I have not been concise and clear enough.

You have not offended me. Your metaphor was not heavy-handed, just misappropriated.

All I advocate is progressive diplomacy, not complacency. Obviously I have not explained myself sufficiently. My apologies.

And Pilot Tuulinen's comment for which I complimented him was directed at Pilot Bloodbird, Miss Ikiryo.

For your information TomHorn, only two of the eight Megacorporations are owned and run by families. Whilst it is true that often children will inherit their parent's profession, you will often find men and women who, by their own merits, achieved greatness. The Gallente cannot hope to win any conflict against us. If they choose diplomacy, they must let us keep our homeworld. If they choose to move to full scale war they will either be blown away like blossom on the breeze or they will lose heart and retreat when they see women and children fighting to resist their Libertine, democratic evils.

For your information TomHorn, only two of the eight Megacorporations are owned and run by families. Whilst it is true that often children will inherit their parent's profession, you will often find men and women who, by their own merits, achieved greatness. The Gallente cannot hope to win any conflict against us. If they choose diplomacy, they must let us keep our homeworld. If they choose to move to full scale war they will either be blown away like blossom on the breeze or they will lose heart and retreat when they see women and children fighting to resist their Libertine, democratic evils.

For your information TomHorn, only two of the eight Megacorporations are owned and run by families. Whilst it is true that often children will inherit their parent's profession, you will often find men and women who, by their own merits, achieved greatness. The Gallente cannot hope to win any conflict against us. If they choose diplomacy, they must let us keep our homeworld. If they choose to move to full scale war they will either be blown away like blossom on the breeze or they will lose heart and retreat when they see women and children fighting to resist their Libertine, democratic evils.

For your information TomHorn, only two of the eight Megacorporations are owned and run by families. Whilst it is true that often children will inherit their parent's profession, you will often find men and women who, by their own merits, achieved greatness. The Gallente cannot hope to win any conflict against us. If they choose diplomacy, they must let us keep our homeworld. If they choose to move to full scale war they will either be blown away like blossom on the breeze or they will lose heart and retreat when they see women and children fighting to resist their Libertine, democratic evils.

I think all the Caldari who genuinely believe they could defeat FedNav and wreck the Federation should give it an honest try.

That way, only the sane Caldari will be left.

I'd suggest being more tactful, or else you may insult the 'sane' Caldari to the degree that they join the attack aswell.

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And when you will be fighting them, remember those, who died in CN Shiigeru crash on planet, and show no mercy!

Is this the name of the Carrier that a State Navy Admrial crashed him self into the city of Heurmont? Cause if it is then yes remember the 2 million Federation citizens that he killed.

No. The Shiigeru was the Leviathan-class titan in orbit over Caldari Prime. You are thinking of the Kariola, effectively the first Chimera-class carrier.

This is glaringly true in the case of the Mega Corporations and the Chief Executive Panel. There the men who are born with silver spoons in their mouths are the ones who have been most traitorous

As you know, very recently Ishukone CEO Mens Reppola is guilty of what has always been considered as the most abominable of all crimes, being a traitor to the Caldari people while in a position of great trust, high treason.

He has lighted the spark which is resulting in a moral uprising and will end only when the whole sorry mess of twisted, warped thinkers like Mens Reppola and others, are swept from the Mega Corporations and the Caldari State scene so that we may have a new birth of honesty and decency with Tibus Heth.

You...are not my Comrade. You have lost your sanity, much like Tibus Heth. Mens Reppola is a man who has shown true leadership, unlike where Heth slings mud, rants, raves and grows more psychotic by the day. To dare doubt the CEP's commitment to the State is the height of stupidity and may I say the beginning of treasonous thoughts.