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Sovereign1100
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Posted - 2005.09.11 05:26:00 -
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I know everyone has their own point of view on everything thats happening, and I know everyone thinks they know all the details and exactly who is at fault.
Regardless of all the speculation and people claiming its trigger's fault, cujo's fault, or whatever....thats all BS and nonsense.
The reason there is civil war is simple: Disrespect.
I don't let people disrespect me in real life and I sure won't let them do it in a game.
Much has happened in the last week via politics, alliances, corperations, etc. The result of all of it was one thing. Total disrespect and lack of consideration from pretty much everyone. Whomever you think is at fault, you cannot deny this. Just look at all the threads (and this one very soon no doubt) and see it in most every post.
Any self respecting corperation / alliance / or player would take offense to suddenly be threatened and war dec'ed by someone they havn't seen in months. Especially when their loyalties to their current leadership were strengthening, and the alliance as a whole was crawling back from the depths of dispair. You can say we fight for loyalty...but that would be bull****. Just look at how loyal 1/2 of SE was to cujo as it switched sides. But this wasn't all of it. Being treated as insignificant non-conformists that would "get ours" was so demeaning I wanted to throw up.
Make no mistake: SE / SA has been in constant diplomatic meetings trying to work things out. I now fight for one simple reason: I don't like getting walked on, and I don't take this kind of crap from anyone. I fight because, frankly, you treat me, my corp, and my alliance like crap and it ****es me off. Simple as that. I'm sure I'm not the only one in SE that feels this way. In fact, I'd bet that most all of them do.
Anyway, Talking about all this is like arguing over religion. You will never change the other sides point of view. not really sure why I made this post in the first place. Guess I'm just tired of hearing all the conspiracy theories.
-Sovereign
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.09.11 05:30:00 -
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Signed as myself and not as a diplomat
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Sickbitch
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Posted - 2005.09.11 05:47:00 -
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thats industrial corps for you. dangle a carrot infront of their noses and they will follow you.
thats a good fundation for sa to start on.
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Dyryana
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Posted - 2005.09.11 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dyryana on 11/09/2005 06:23:37
Everyone, please send me 1mil isk for this stain removal kit, and i will rid the forums of these lame SA/SE threads!
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Vanamonde
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Posted - 2005.09.11 06:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Dyryana
I mean, get over it... who cares about your war between each other, for not respecting each others "e-peen's" .. and how big they are
They do. Thats why we have forums where they can discuss, the matter at hand. If you do not care about the politics of the current thread and only post to troll, then please instead just click the back button of your browser and look for a thread that does interest you.
Thanks. 
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dalman
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Posted - 2005.09.11 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sovereign1100
The reason there is civil war is simple: Disrespect.
Originally by: Khaerie
Signed as myself and not as a diplomat
Shooting yourself in the foot Khaerie?
Haven't you made 5235447543357 post prior to this one saying "it's NOT a civil war and therefor the Catch thing is legal", and now you suddenly say yourself that it IS a civil war? 
GG
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin.
Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.09.11 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Originally by: Sovereign1100
The reason there is civil war is simple: Disrespect.
Originally by: Khaerie
Signed as myself and not as a diplomat
Shooting yourself in the foot Khaerie?
Haven't you made 5235447543357 post prior to this one saying "it's NOT a civil war and therefor the Catch thing is legal", and now you suddenly say yourself that it IS a civil war?
GG
Well Dalan, just for you I'll take out the word CIVIL from the whole statement and re-agree with it. I certainly wouldn't want to take away your petty point. Here, have another petty point just because I'm generous.
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Azeusus
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Posted - 2005.09.11 09:34:00 -
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both factions are seperate entities so how can this be civil war if there isnt a single entity to internally fight.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2005.09.11 09:49:00 -
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a war which consintutes 2 group of stain corps fighting over stain territory, a war began over a dispute over leadership of se..that is what makes it a civil war as a good portion of sa are former stain Empire corps (illd say a good 90% of stain alliance are former stain empire)
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.09.11 09:51:00 -
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Fellows, please, stick to the subject of this thread. It's about respect, please try some of it.
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Kayvaan Shrike
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Posted - 2005.09.11 09:56:00 -
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Oh dear god... Why oh why does SA continue down this road? Have you been ordered to flame any thread not sharing your POV? Just 10 cents from a SE'er who's tired of reading threads on the forums that always turns into a flamefest. (And don't say; don't read the forums, as I am as entitled to read forums just as much as anyone else!)
Oh and btw; Signed
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dalman
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Posted - 2005.09.11 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Khaerie
Fellows, please, stick to the subject of this thread. It's about respect, please try some of it.
RESPECT???
What respect has Species shown?
You have come up with some increadable statement that this isn't a civil war and "given" Catch region to FIX, for the simple reason to save the Dreadnaught that Species had in production in the factory station there.
You used FIX space to ship out most of your assets in Catch through a "safe" passage.
Species and ADGA have cleaned out all assets in the SEL holding corp, totalling some billions, which were common assets to all corps in SE.
Species, ADGA and FOFF told us to bring it. Yet the only SE corps who have done any fighting is Xenobytes and IGS.
Basicly, Xenobytes are fighting for you while you run as fast as you can and grab as much as you can.
And you're talking about respect? Save me from it please.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin.
Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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Gradinger
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Posted - 2005.09.11 10:09:00 -
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dalman.. dalman... it¦d be a long read if i explain my POV but only so much - i got the impression for some reason u hate us :/
and there are NO RULES - u showed us..
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ghtretreye
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Posted - 2005.09.11 10:10:00 -
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I just dont understand how most of corps in SA can trust and respect eachother after this all? What reason to join an alliance at all if you leave it as soon as it get in trouble? Because 90% of corps who left SE left it just because they were scared. Why they will not leave SA if hard times comes?
Heh, Trigger had all chances to become emperor of big and powerful stain empire, almost everyone in SE was happy that MASS are back.. But with all his disrespect, threats and demands he just turned it into chaos of total annihilation. Yes, he scared some corps and they have joined him, but couple of strong corps are now his enemies while they would be his allies if he had some respect to other peoples. Even if he win, he will get only ruines of stain empire.
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dalman
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Posted - 2005.09.11 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gradinger
dalman.. dalman... it¦d be a long read if i explain my POV but only so much - i got the impression for some reason u hate us :/
and there are NO RULES - u showed us..
I don't hate anyone playing this game.
No rules? Your corp has rules that you can't post the truth on the forums, or what?
I think this quote from Shivan[species] on the SE forums(public chat) sum it all up:
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TBH, we dont give a (Censored) about Stain anymore after how we have been treated by Stain, why should we?
We have nothing left here, so why should we care whats best for Stain?
That's how they've been handling this since it started.
Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin.
Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
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maria stallion
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Posted - 2005.09.11 10:41:00 -
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I personnaly think mass has no right to decide who has respect and who hasn't.
I can remember a couple of months ago that they started shooting Foundation in massive force while we had a nap.
we let them pass in b-vip, but instat of a thank you they started shooting us :P
this is just a thing that shows mass can't be trusted in my eyes.
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Gradinger
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Posted - 2005.09.11 10:53:00 -
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dalman.. u r a liar and just trolling.
about shivan.. noone of us will think bad about him - he¦s just as disappointed as we all are.
one more thing: respect to trigg&bold for playing a game.. maybe a harsh way but quite effective ;) .. now i doubt a single one of u would have the decency to give us the respect we deserve :/
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Orc A
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Posted - 2005.09.11 11:21:00 -
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I respect alot of SE folks.
XB, IGS, some individuals from species, etc.
I respect Sha-k, who faught till the very end.
I respect many people from SE, as do many other people in SA.
However, when i try to show it to them, they spit in my face and call me "traitor".
But i still respect them.
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Boktor
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Posted - 2005.09.11 11:27:00 -
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BTW, everyone talks about Trigger this emperor that... Who the heck is Trigger?!, i've never seen him, is he actually out there or just a SA imagination?
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Nache1
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Posted - 2005.09.11 11:58:00 -
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I do have respect for a few corps I have been fighting ...
XB = they fight well and not one bit of smack in local.
Sha Kharn = think I have the most respect for these guys , fought them for days on end and they never stoped coming till they ran out of ships against our forces ( and not much smack while doing so )
Now there have been others that I have fought in Stain space that have done nothing but sit in station or at a ss and run there mouth non stop . How can you know we are just "Cannon Fodder" or "Mass slaves" if you dont shut up and come find out first hand ?
If you give our forces a good clean fight and no smack in local then you might get more respect .
The forces I fly with have the upmost respect while we fight , sure now and then one of our guys slips and says something he/she shouldnt , and gets chewed for doing so .
For those SE members I havent fought yet you do have my respect , Its up to you how much respect I give you by your actions before/during/and after the fights .
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2005.09.11 12:05:00 -
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lol 90% of stain alliance is old stainers?
I might be wrong here, but i seen alot of new faces... and also easy kills =)
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dirtydave
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Posted - 2005.09.11 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nache1
How can you know we are just "Cannon Fodder" or "Mass slaves" if you dont shut up and come find out first hand ?
This is the exact description of you given by Mass insiders 
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thebold
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Posted - 2005.09.11 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mindlles
lol 90% of stain alliance is old stainers?
I might be wrong here, but i seen alot of new faces... and also easy kills =)
GIVE ME MORE DRAMA
HAHA bring back the old drama days :D
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FileCop AI
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Posted - 2005.09.11 12:09:00 -
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There is no war. It's only a fragment of your imagination.
SA came, saw, conquered. The End.
FileCop AI of MASS
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Dalilah
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Posted - 2005.09.11 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Orc A
However, when i try to show it to them, they spit in my face and call me "traitor".
Emotions and feelings are indivisible part of human's nature. So you must understand our guys in that point of view. TBH we still respect some of SA corporations (include your corp Orc) but disrespect and will kill such guys as ZiTek always.
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Dezzyb0y
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Posted - 2005.09.11 12:57:00 -
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You guys seem to think that Mass + others have been in stain all the time, this isnt the case, they left, they've come back, so what if they want stain back? After some Of SE's campaigns recently i wouldnt want to be associated with that. This is just a way of preventing Stains inevitable demise.
Mass are entitled to use the name Stain alliance as they did found the original Stain alliance, and Stain Empire was a decision made by multiple corps that joined further down the line. Good luck to Mass tbh, maybe the ideals they've reformed in recent months will continue and bring back the millatry power that stain alliance once had.
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Kozak
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Posted - 2005.09.11 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dezzyb0y
You guys seem to think that Mass + others have been in stain all the time, this isnt the case, they left, they've come back, so what if they want stain back? After some Of SE's campaigns recently i wouldnt want to be associated with that. This is just a way of preventing Stains inevitable demise.
Mass are entitled to use the name Stain alliance as they did found the original Stain alliance, and Stain Empire was a decision made by multiple corps that joined further down the line. Good luck to Mass tbh, maybe the ideals they've reformed in recent months will continue and bring back the millatry power that stain alliance once had.
Actually, it was Trigger who chose the name Stain Empire.
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Tri33er
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Posted - 2005.09.11 13:49:00 -
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Satin Allaince have won, we'll played to them, shame SE had the last laugh & gave Catch to FIX :) was funny as hell watching MASS being told to get their puppet corps pos down & being told to leave FIX space rofl, bet you never see that one coming thebold :)
But knowing MASS & you i think SA will look at every possibility to retake Catch, hope you have better luck getting your new found members to travel more than 20 jumps to fight or maybe they will be to busy with a mining op.
Well played SE but your time is over, regroup & go have fun shooting stuff wherever you fancy & if an alliance wants to call for fighters to defend Catch then look no further than the loyal few that stayed to the end.
The wars over, now the fun starts.
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forumposting alt
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Posted - 2005.09.11 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: FileCop AI
SA came, saw, conquered. The End.
No. 5 came, saw and conquered and did all this without firing a shot by scaring all the carebear corps into jumping ships.
Enjoy "your" victory.
Trying doing something like that again on your own two feet next time and you might get more satisfaction from it.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.09.11 16:35:00 -
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That means, take it easy. It's not serious. This Originally by: Sovereign1100
I don't let people disrespect me in real life and I sure won't let them do it in a game.
clearly shows that you should approach games another way.
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