And I really like how people just accept crap just because it's "Nitpicking" when it really damages immersion.

That's my list for now, tell me what you think, and where I went wrong :3

-Vacuum physics; Eve online's ships handle like submarines more than spacecraft. It's as if there's an invisible medium, with the ships plowing through that.
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-Where do ships get their reactants for fuel?

A black hole the size of the sun would eviscerate the whole solar system, the amount of gravity (Density really) per M3 in a black hole is much higher than in a star, and the planets would need to orbit farther/faster to stay in orbit. The planets would spiral in.

The event horizon is the point NO matter not even light can escape the black hole. Our ships would be sucked in well before we reached the event horizon.

A black hole the size of the sun would eviscerate the whole solar system, the amount of gravity (Density really) per M3 in a black hole is much higher than in a star, and the planets would need to orbit farther/faster to stay in orbit. The planets would spiral in.

The amount of hostility and misunderstanding in this thread is quite astounding. After all, the Eve community claims to be one of the most "mature" but the arguments dont reflect this in any way.

Contrary to the most posters I agree with the OP. For me, Eve is not only about player to player interaction, I also want to feel like I'm actually in space and flying a ship and frankly, Eve totally fails at that. For me at least, in order to fully enjoy a game, it has to offer some sense of credibility. Not necessarily realism, but credibility. The current system has nothing to do with space at all, it just looks like one.

I'd like to comment on the thing that I dont like the most, ship control:

Now, if you want to play a game that is mostly in space, I would expect this game to offer the player a better sense of controlling the ship and that the ship moves like a spaceship. This doesnt mean that more manual control over your ship has to be necessarily complicated. We already have a couple of basic commands like orbit and approach, one could expand this by adding some more advanced commands, so everybody could fly a ship with a more realistic flight behaviour exactly the same way as it works now. (for example adding the option: stay away to a distance of x meters from any collidable object, so players dont crash their ships into).

Generally, adding real collision values to the game would help the immersion a lot.

On the positive side, players who want to fly their ships manually, would have more possibilities to do so. This is a good thing because it adds another layer to the game, actual piloting skill and not mostly numbers. The more complicated a flight model is, the more room is there for the individual player to expand his possibilities, not being so limited by simple numbers and to set himself apart from the masses. I know why many people dont want this.

For clarification: by a more complicated flight model I mean simple newtonian physics like being able to spin your ship around different axis, continuing to move without constantly applying thrust, not being capped by by a fixed speed limit (until some 90% speed of light) etc.

Another advantage would be that it would take care of the hated blobs: people would just collide with each other if they jump on a target to hundreds so they'd need to involve some thought on moving in large fleets. Fleet formations would make a sense and a nice addition to gameplay. Docking in Jita would require some effort though. Options like kamikazeing other players would emerge. It is also technically possible because ships already collide with objects and other ships, just make the collidable radius smaller and add a damage value on it, depending on target mass and velocity.

The only "disadvantage" I see is that many players would probably fail at controlling their ships. Many fail already with the super simple system we have now. It is not the fault of the players who want a bit more challenge from the game though. I blame the so called "casuals" who dont want to spend an hour learning something, but just instant gratification and fun.

The wall of text above is just an example how you can add something to the complexity and immersion of Eve without turning it into a simulation. There are tons of things that can be done and you can write a book about it. However, people fear complexity and are being negative towards everything being proposed, because they are noobs No big news for me.

We all love Eve online, if we didn't, we wouldn't be here now would we?

But this isn't complaining about NeX, or vanity, or ship spinning or whatever, this is about Eve as an emulation of reality, and how it utterly fails to be that. I'm not sure if it actually attempted to do so, but yeah, Eve is set in space, you don't see Trees growing upside down or see floating houses. This is the same thing; how immersed am I in the setting?

The event horizon is the point NO matter not even light can escape the black hole. Our ships would be sucked in well before we reached the event horizon.

Here is a game for the OP


Now, HTFU

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