this post can be divided into "unfun game features" and "stupid piddling nitpicky crap nobody should ever care about" with nearly all of it falling into the latter

-Vacuum physics; Eve online's ships handle like submarines more than spacecraft. It's as if there's an invisible medium, with the ships plowing through that.

-Moons that don't resemble Earth's moon; every single one I've seen is grey & bland)

-Black Holes; You could argue Wormholes are black holes, but if they were even remotely similar, they would destroy the solar system they inhabit, and rip apart any visiting ships. (If Minmatar projectile guns can kill a ship, so can massive gravity)

-Sub-stellar objects; Think white dwarfs, brown dwarfs & neutron stars, perhaps even Wolf-Ryat stars or Magnetars.[/b]

-Multiple star systems; We never see any sort of double, triple or quadruple stars in a given system, there's always one solitary star.

-Sub-stellar objects; Think white dwarfs, brown dwarfs & neutron stars, perhaps even Wolf-Ryat stars or Magnetars.[/b]

-Stable wormholes

-There are only green plants on habitable planets, even around F-O class stars where they would be purple, or around G-M where they would be green through black. (The plants would deflect the harmful UV radiation from the F-O stars, making them bluer/purple, and those around G-M are darker to absorb more energy from the entire spectrum)

-When at FTL speeds, the Blueshift & Redshift are only visible at "The end" of "The Warp Tunnel", when they should be visible (As Greenshift & Yellowshift) all the way to in front of the ship, since the space directly in front of the ship is still approaching extremely quickly, with the rear leaving equally quickly. (Simply put, the whole screen in front of your ship should be blindingly-bright blue, and behind you brilliant red)

-"Fluid routers" make no sense, and the EPR experiment pretty much shows it's impossible to get coherent information through, since the particles are forced to be chaotic via the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.. (And I've read the wiki page on these routers).

Magnetars, wolf-rayet, black holes and a bunch of other stellar objects exist already. You wouldn't know that though on account of being a massive nub with virtually no experience of eve.

AndI really like how people just accept crap just because it's "Nitpicking" when it really damages immersion.

We are dealing with a story involving wars many years in the future in another galaxy between immortal trans-human capsuleers. If that didn't already require a certain suspension of disbelief for immersion, you also forget that we are playing a game. Games should be fun. Most of us would rather that the designers focused more on the game elements than turning what is obviously a space opera into a pseudo-"hard sci-fi" setting.

It's clear from some wiki articles that Eve at least superficially attempts to explain things with actual science, it makes no sense to abandon all of that because they "don't wanna'" when making space realistic in a space game is a pretty important part.

It isn't even proven that Wormholes are possible in the Real world, so why should there be stable ones?

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I really notice these things, and I often lament how poorly Eve emulates real life.

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I really notice these things, and I often lament how poorly Eve emulates real life.

Please show me where IN REAL LIFE, I can sign up to get implants that will allow me to interface directly with a space-faring vessel of roughly the size of a supercarrier and control it with my mind.

fill it out where I missed something,

1. it's a VR headset
2. the guy is holding a controller.

any controls given to the thing on the other end are not DIRECTLY given to the item by the user's brain (as our capsule-fitted ships are). Hell, even prosthetic limbs aren't controlled directly by the user's brain... but rather by whatever muscles are left in the limb twitching a little bit...

Stuff ....
That's my list for now, tell me what you think, and where I went wrong :3

I know.

I just saw an opportunity to post a photo of the VirtualBoy.

Firstly I gotta ask. Have you written in to Valve asking why TF2 characters only resemble humans and that several of the weapons are not that accurate/realistic and most of all why ppl don't die?

My point is that, as a game... (read again GAME) this gives a representation of what the developers want you to participate in - a space like environment. You are fly space like ships and it is a representation nothing like the real thing and not to be thought of as such.

So those - like your self - that harp on about the way it is versus the way the developers have made it are just flapping their gums.... Don't know why I bother to respond really ...

you know, in Team Fortress 2 takes place on Earth, in the modern day. The weapons & characters are over the top, and nothing makes sense; that's how it was meant to be.

Eve online is a different matter; it attempts to give itself a thin veneer of science & rationality when it really has none at all. I can keep my suspension of disbelief for most of the fiction & such, but when it gets to the point of breaking the actual laws of physics, & breaking immersion, it gets to the point of "WTF did I just watch?"

so I take it you can't watch Star Trek, or Star Wars or read any science fiction novels, can you?

Time.

The OP haves it.

Took 10 minutes to compile an obivous list.

Is there not one person here that responds positively or constructively anymore?

Black Holes; You could argue Wormholes are black holes, but if they were even remotely similar, they would destroy the solar system they inhabit, and rip apart any visiting ships. (If Minmatar projectile guns can kill a ship, so can massive gravity)

You don't know anything about black holes, do you?

The gravity of a black hole is only dangerous if you pass the event horizon (at which point there is no escape and you will eventually be ripped to shreds).

A black hole is simply a gravity well, and objects will happily orbit them, much as they do other large stellar objects.

The event horizon is the point NO matter not even light can escape the black hole. Our ships would be sucked in well before we reached the event horizon. That said I'm fairly happy with the way eve presents things. I know most of it isn't supported by real science but it IS a fun and interesting game. Just try to shrug off the obvious incongruities and enjoy the game for what it is. There are some more realistic space games out there, but I would rather play this one

Ohai

-When at FTL speeds, the Blueshift & Redshift are only visible at "The end" of "The Warp Tunnel", when they should be visible (As Greenshift & Yellowshift) all the way to in front of the ship, since the space directly in front of the ship is still approaching extremely quickly, with the rear leaving equally quickly. (Simply put, the whole screen in front of your ship should be blindingly-bright blue, and behind you brilliant red)

I always figured in real FTL flight you would not be able to see anything behind you since light would not be fast enough to hit your camera at all.

But what do I know.

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Also, black holes are different than OP thinks. If the Sun magically turned into a black hole, the planets'/comets' orbits wouldn't change at all.

Space would be red-shifted, you wouldn't see any stars or anyhting like that.

So I was kinda right, just instead of black, you see red?

Actually Paragon, there is a question I would like to ask you ...
Do you believe in a religion and do you question its authenticity and message?

I ask because you should apply the same conceptual process to any work of fiction and find gaping flaws.

Eve is only about friendship and communication - not about a pixelated work of art

A black hole the size of the sun would eviscerate the whole solar system, the amount of gravity (Density really) per M3 in a black hole is much higher than in a star, and the planets would need to orbit farther/faster to stay in orbit. The planets would spiral in.

Hmmm.....

This thread is less of an "FIx IT NAO" thread, and more of "This list of things irks me occasionally" thread. I would ideally like to see these in a given game, but in the end, it's just an immersion issue.

IMO

A black hole the size of the sun would eviscerate the whole solar system, the amount of gravity (Density really) per M3 in a black hole is much higher than in a star, and the planets would need to orbit farther/faster to stay in orbit. The planets would spiral in.

A black hole with the same mass as the Sun would not alter the positions of any solar bodies. The loss of an external energy source would have some tricky consequences for us, though. Entropic Earth, worst Earth.

Gravitational attraction is based on mass and distance. For purposes of gravitational attraction, a star and a black hole are EXACTLY the same, unless one of the objects you're measuring gets close enough to the black hole to such a degree that if the black hole were a star with equal mass, the object would be inside the star.

In other words, a star with mass X and a black hole with mass X are the same (as far as acceleration and gravity are concerned), unless one of the objects you're measuring gets closer to the black hole than Y, where Y is the star's radius.

Ohai

-Multiple star systems; We never see any sort of double, triple or quadruple stars in a given system, there's always one solitary star.

-Asteroid belts defy all logic:

*Asteroids orbit hundreds of thousands of KM apart
*A belt of that size & spacing is actually physically impossible in such close proximity to a planet; the asteroids would Form a tenuous ring around the planet, or they would condense into a planetesmial beforehand (Before they ever orbited the planet)

We live in an area of space where the Higgs Field is extra thick and chunky.

I was just going to point out how insanely retarted it would be to try to use real world vacume physics over the internets, but now that ive tried to find out what a higgs mechanism is and my head is hurting.

Also - were in another dimension/time/we dont even know - just keep that in mind.

And the Universe is only 6000 years old.

There's more than enough evidence to support the existence of black holes.

And I really like how people just accept crap just because it's "Nitpicking" when it really damages immersion.

That's my list for now, tell me what you think, and where I went wrong :3

-Vacuum physics; Eve online's ships handle like submarines more than spacecraft. It's as if there's an invisible medium, with the ships plowing through that.
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-Where do ships get their reactants for fuel?

A black hole the size of the sun would eviscerate the whole solar system, the amount of gravity (Density really) per M3 in a black hole is much higher than in a star, and the planets would need to orbit farther/faster to stay in orbit. The planets would spiral in.

The event horizon is the point NO matter not even light can escape the black hole. Our ships would be sucked in well before we reached the event horizon.

A black hole the size of the sun would eviscerate the whole solar system, the amount of gravity (Density really) per M3 in a black hole is much higher than in a star, and the planets would need to orbit farther/faster to stay in orbit. The planets would spiral in.

The amount of hostility and misunderstanding in this thread is quite astounding. After all, the Eve community claims to be one of the most "mature" but the arguments dont reflect this in any way.

Contrary to the most posters I agree with the OP. For me, Eve is not only about player to player interaction, I also want to feel like I'm actually in space and flying a ship and frankly, Eve totally fails at that. For me at least, in order to fully enjoy a game, it has to offer some sense of credibility. Not necessarily realism, but credibility. The current system has nothing to do with space at all, it just looks like one.

I'd like to comment on the thing that I dont like the most, ship control:

Now, if you want to play a game that is mostly in space, I would expect this game to offer the player a better sense of controlling the ship and that the ship moves like a spaceship. This doesnt mean that more manual control over your ship has to be necessarily complicated. We already have a couple of basic commands like orbit and approach, one could expand this by adding some more advanced commands, so everybody could fly a ship with a more realistic flight behaviour exactly the same way as it works now. (for example adding the option: stay away to a distance of x meters from any collidable object, so players dont crash their ships into).

Generally, adding real collision values to the game would help the immersion a lot.

On the positive side, players who want to fly their ships manually, would have more possibilities to do so. This is a good thing because it adds another layer to the game, actual piloting skill and not mostly numbers. The more complicated a flight model is, the more room is there for the individual player to expand his possibilities, not being so limited by simple numbers and to set himself apart from the masses. I know why many people dont want this.

For clarification: by a more complicated flight model I mean simple newtonian physics like being able to spin your ship around different axis, continuing to move without constantly applying thrust, not being capped by by a fixed speed limit (until some 90% speed of light) etc.

Another advantage would be that it would take care of the hated blobs: people would just collide with each other if they jump on a target to hundreds so they'd need to involve some thought on moving in large fleets. Fleet formations would make a sense and a nice addition to gameplay. Docking in Jita would require some effort though. Options like kamikazeing other players would emerge. It is also technically possible because ships already collide with objects and other ships, just make the collidable radius smaller and add a damage value on it, depending on target mass and velocity.

The only "disadvantage" I see is that many players would probably fail at controlling their ships. Many fail already with the super simple system we have now. It is not the fault of the players who want a bit more challenge from the game though. I blame the so called "casuals" who dont want to spend an hour learning something, but just instant gratification and fun.

The wall of text above is just an example how you can add something to the complexity and immersion of Eve without turning it into a simulation. There are tons of things that can be done and you can write a book about it. However, people fear complexity and are being negative towards everything being proposed, because they are noobs No big news for me.

We all love Eve online, if we didn't, we wouldn't be here now would we?

But this isn't complaining about NeX, or vanity, or ship spinning or whatever, this is about Eve as an emulation of reality, and how it utterly fails to be that. I'm not sure if it actually attempted to do so, but yeah, Eve is set in space, you don't see Trees growing upside down or see floating houses. This is the same thing; how immersed am I in the setting?

The event horizon is the point NO matter not even light can escape the black hole. Our ships would be sucked in well before we reached the event horizon.

Here is a game for the OP


Now, HTFU

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