Why is it that you believe everyone not PVPing is a coward?...maybe some people just enjoy it...why should they do something else than what they enjoy?

In many ways I love the eve community but in this regard...well...

If anyone is scaring away noobs, it's the "PVP in null sec or you're a coward!"-crowd.

OP's point is not that these players are trying to change the game, but that they don't want to PvP at all.

The fact that after a major change we still have extremely vulnerable Hulks illustrates CCP attitude towards this 'bleating'.

Your opinion. Are others not allowed theirs?

Some people actually like to mine. I don't see it, but they do it.. been doing it for years.

If they enjoy it, who can say otherwise?

0.0 is advanced gameplay. No way how it's sliced, it's where the vets play. That's not the environment for new players, in a skill based game, and the player doesn't have the skills to be but cannon fodder.

Blob fleet, and the first try you guys were chased out of Dodge -- with the tail inbetween the legs -- and were left to playing NPC docking games...defeated.

So much for that as a example to teach the new players that "anyone can do it".

Knock, knock...no one is.

It's a tradition in gaming to let gamers play as they want. It's a very Libertarian concept so cherished.

If they want to play PvE, their choice. If they want to PvP, their choice.

It isn't for YOU to decide.

...And look, another CSM candidate...

You have done it consistently through this threat. Saying new players don't know what they want.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

So you know what all of the new players want.

What is it?

Is this by your definition?

It's not complex. Players want to promote it as some thinking game. But I can guarantee you there's more Johnny on the spot decisions to do in Starcraft, than EvE (and that IS an eSport and been so for over 10 years now).

And if you're into babying players to do this or that now...who is the carebear now?

They will make mistakes. But to learn you have too make mistakes.

Learning 101.

Oh, yes it does.

His premise is the first time Goonies attacked BoB et al they were n00bs. He was trying to claim "hey, you don't need to be skilled", and didn't mention the details.

I provided the details to show it not only failed, the only way Goonies defeated BoB in the end, isn't even by fighting...it was an inside job of booting the corps out of the alliance and taking assets.

And those skills a new players won't learn anyway, until he's accustomed to the culture and TRAINED.

How old are you? Seriously.

How you type alone says you're a young one. Someone more inclined to value intelligence than wisdom (as kids don't have wisdom yet).

Now do you see how foolish you're coming across?

A smart alec kid, still wet behind the ears, trying to tell an elder what is or isn't education.

You failed in even your premise. You're like the others of your set, "pewpewpew" is all that matters. Brain dead, ePeen, junior high non-sense.

Devs have to protect yourself FROM yourself in games.

I dictate my own content. You may lead Goonies around by the nose, you don't dictate to me.

That's the difference.

You're desperate to save face, Evil?

Communication is critical here, and if you can't communicate well, you lost the PR war.

And for that, I take no prisoners.

See "carebears" specialize in other more important skills...

When did "a newbie doesn't know what he wants" turn into informed choices? There is a difference... that should be self-evident.

Ah the goonswarm recruiting scam. My second favourite scam to hear about. People falling for the 1 trit scam or Margin Trading scams garner top equal spot though.

If the question is informed choices, then you don't seem to believe 'those people' will ever make one. So what is you solution?

Tippia"...they will never be able to make an informed choice..."

Tippia"...without the ability to actually decide for themselves..."

i'm really liking the fecal analogies. ...ahem

but i've been reading the past few pages and what i'm gathering is that the greatest truth of all is being overlooked.

there is no steak.

it's all poop.

and we are all just dung beetles. rolling our favorite bits of the poop into little balls of enjoyment for ourselves.

and in order for this game to work...we need beetles that favor all the various odors of that poop to drive the great circle of eve's gastro-intestinal production to function normally.

Not that unique. If it was folks will still be learning the game, as it is that unique.

Not make a T1 fleet and try to blob through, then claim it's "easy".

To get to that level of ease, a game has to have common elements found in other games...even "Hello, Kitty".

If I did you'll probably **** in your pants.

I'm pretty sure bringing thoes BPOs to null would yield you a great reward... hence titans? motherships? Capitals in general?

I obviously didn't.

Getting desperate for attention lately, are ya'll not ?

You believe what you read in GD ?

What does tossing 3 day old players into Low have to do with learning anything ?

You are missing the point of all that's going to happen is getting blown up over and over and over again as the systems associated with this 'new tutorial' will be perma-camped guaranteed and for sure. The newbs won't 'learn' a thing.

But I have learned the truth of my statement from my own experience..

Since when did this stop happening in High Sec ?

Your answer denies the very scenario. Worst post of the day.

It honestly could not be more clear.

You believed I quit....many many times.

I have not seen an identifiable GSF or CFC presence in any of the noobcorp chats I've been a part of offering advice of recruiting. Nor have I seen any reasonable efforts to keep that population from falling to the carebear influence there. Is there something preventing this from happening?

From anything I've ever seen, Goonswarm only recruits from members of their site. Period. Paragraph. In fact, if you accept a recruitment offer from them, and you are not a member of their site, they just take your money without letting you in the corp. (yes, they charge to be in the corp). In other words, they scam you.

Try again?