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WizEye	Posted - 2005.09.12 02:42:00 - [1] This is just my curiosity, not a complaint or a request. According to the front page, eve is a mmorpg that is still meant to live for a very long time, and I'm personally very happy about it. How is the graphics issue planned to be solved once current quality falls behind the rest of the industry? I mean, look at the next space sim releases, such as X3: Reunion. The model quality of those games is absolutely unbelievable. Are there any plans to update models and just effects in general for the next couple of years?
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.09.12 03:54:00 - [2] Yes. Next stupid question. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
Arcadia1701E	Posted - 2005.09.12 03:58:00 - [3] and unless u have a super AMD 64 and some ú300 graphics card to run the game then ur screwed
Rokulan	Posted - 2005.09.12 04:08:00 - [4] I seriously hope they upgrade the texture resolution. As it stands now many of the ships textures look like they are slapped on a balloon and stretched all to h**. When the textures are improved just give the player the option to turn the texture resolution down in case they are running a dinosaur pc.
Kermos	Posted - 2005.09.12 08:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Arcadia1701E and unless u have a super AMD 64 and some ú300 graphics card to run the game then ur screwed 300?? Ummm...how about 2 7800 GT's in SLI Mode? =)
Wizzkidy	Posted - 2005.09.12 09:13:00 - [6] Originally by: theRaptor Next stupid question. It's people like you who give this forum a bad name. There is no need for a comment like this to anyone. The guy is not flaming anyone he is asking a normal question and wants a NORMAL answer and you have to come along and say its stupid? That's just not on. Why was it stupid? It might of been too you but to others maybe not. Next time I suggest you answer in a more polite way.
Elrathias	Posted - 2005.09.12 09:18:00 - [7] personally i would like more than 12 fps on my p4 1,9ghz with a gf 6800gt and 1024 ram. ccp, please shovle over a heap a load to teh graphicscard instead of squandering my poor cpu. --------------------------
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.09.12 11:39:00 - [8] Edited by: Derron Bel on 12/09/2005 11:41:51 X2 relied heavily on bump mapping to look good, I presume X3 is similar. Really, it wears after a while. Grass-is-always-greener and all that. Part of why it looks so good is that it's new to you. EVE could probalby do with a rehash of some graphics code, but that's awfully expensive. The turrets fix may help; we'll see. Personally, I think the biggest graphical fall-down for eve is hit effects on guns atm, and of course the overlapping textures on some vessels, particularly Amarrian stations. Other than that EVE actually looks pretty good. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.09.12 11:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Wizzkidy Originally by: theRaptor Next stupid question. It's people like you who give this forum a bad name. There is no need for a comment like this to anyone. The guy is not flaming anyone he is asking a normal question and wants a NORMAL answer and you have to come along and say its stupid? That's just not on. Why was it stupid? It might of been too you but to others maybe not. Next time I suggest you answer in a more polite way. Until I get paid to answer people's stupid questions (and yes this is a very stupid question) I will be as rude as I like. Im not a volunteer, I don't work for CCP, so I can be as nice or abrasive as I want. And my replies are in direct proportion to the validity of the questions of the people I am replying to. Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. Don't like it? Then put up or shut up. Upgrading the graphics is a trivial task, you can get college students to do it. CCP have already done it for several ships and will probably do more in the next six months. Its low priority because you rarely get time to be zoomed in enough to admire even the current models unless you are sitting in a station. So this question is on par with "Will CCP introduce new ships?". That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
RedClaws	Posted - 2005.09.12 12:01:00 - [10] I just saw some screenshots and i'm not THAT impressed by them. Far to dark and plastic-like : Almost looks like a Doom III engine conversion.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.09.12 12:18:00 - [11] graphics are fine.
Caeden Nicomachean	Posted - 2005.09.12 12:21:00 - [12] I took a look at some X3 shots as well - and the biggest thing that stands out are the planets. There have been other shots of various engines and that was what stood out on them as well. The college kids comment is amusing, at least in as far as the engine is concerned. Even creating decent low poly models for ships and whatnot, hehe. Skins now, thats another story. Be nice to have some new skins for planets, with the "planet glow" to give a feeling of upper atmosphere. The nebulas could use more variety, etc as well - and again a fancy stretched skin looks to me like. And more systems with less of the nebula action going on to make the ones that have it stand out more.
Wizzkidy	Posted - 2005.09.12 12:57:00 - [13] Edited by: Wizzkidy on 12/09/2005 12:56:45 Originally by: theRaptor Until I get paid to answer people's stupid questions (and yes this is a very stupid question) I will be as rude as I like. Lovely. What A nice guy you are If I met you in RL you would get a kick in the face because of your poor attitude. Would you treat someone like that in RL - doubt it. Originally by:* theRaptor Im not a volunteer, I don't work for CCP, so I can be as nice or abrasive as I want. And my replies are in direct proportion to the validity of the questions of the people I am replying to. Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. Don't like it? Then put up or shut up. Again lovely attitude smells a bit like S. I suggest you go out into the real world and treat people like you do here because you will get pwn'ed m8 Originally by:* theRaptor * Upgrading the graphics is a trivial task, you can get college students to do it. CCP have already done it for several ships and will probably do more in the next six months. Its low priority because you rarely get time to be zoomed in enough to admire even the current models unless you are sitting in a station. So this question is on par with "Will CCP introduce new ships?". Now you answer the question anyway and in a good way. Why couldn't of this been all you replied with? Anyway i'm taking this off topic back to the matter at hand. I think the graphics are quite impressive in EVE. Yes maybe they could do with an overhaul and know doubt we will get this in the future (roll on the turrret changes in next patch! :D)
WizEye	Posted - 2005.09.12 13:41:00 - [14] Well, think about it. Everquest had a complete graphics update done about 3 times. If eve lives as long as eq then the need to refresh its gfx quality will definitely arise.
Dezzereth	Posted - 2005.09.12 15:33:00 - [15] Originally by: WizEye Well, think about it. Everquest had a complete graphics update done about 3 times. If eve lives as long as eq then the need to refresh its gfx quality will definitely arise. EQ is a fantasy game where living creatures are shown. EVE only shows techical structures, which have a longer lasting time, also the polygon count is absolutely ok in EVE. Compared to what other online games sell for gfx EVE is really among the top players. Also dont forget that a more demanding gfx engine would cause more client side lag (even with options turend off) - just compare the engine of EARTH 2160 (which is roughly th quality of X3) to, lets say Homeworld 2. While the latter runs on a 1.4 Gh Machine with a Ti4200 Card, the former would kill such a machine even in the abolutely lowest setting. And I would say Homeworld 2 looks bad, quite the contrary. So all in all the current gfx engine of EVE offers best compromise of performance and quality (though a few tweaks would be good ofc). X3 will need a good Computer to run smoothly, somethin CCP can't demand from their costumers, since they need an engine that runs on most of computers well (not just the high end), for EVE to grow from a finacial pov (i.e. paying accounts) -- TOSGI Homepage --
Agnar Koladrov	Posted - 2005.09.12 15:44:00 - [16] I think EVE doesn`t need a better engine with more bells and whissles. A good game doesn`t necessarily need to look BLING BLING to be addictive to play. It could use some re-texturing though.
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2005.09.12 21:16:00 - [17] Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 12/09/2005 21:15:58 i saw a video of X3, and damn it looks great. its not only he graphics, its the feeling u get there - like rlly being in space. eve looks only like a oicture u stare at :/ edit: Sniff
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.09.13 04:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Wizzkidy Originally by: theRaptor Until I get paid to answer people's stupid questions (and yes this is a very stupid question) I will be as rude as I like. Lovely. What A nice guy you are If I met you in RL you would get a kick in the face because of your poor attitude. Would you treat someone like that in RL - doubt it. Wow did you just threaten to beat me up in real life? I hope you enjoy the ban. And yeah I do treat people exactly the same way in real life. I expect people to do minimum research and some thinking about a subject before mouthing off. Originally by:* Wizzkidy Originally by: theRaptor Im not a volunteer, I don't work for CCP, so I can be as nice or abrasive as I want. And my replies are in direct proportion to the validity of the questions of the people I am replying to. Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. Don't like it? Then put up or shut up. Again lovely attitude smells a bit like S*. I suggest you go out into the real world and treat people like you do here because you will get pwn'ed m8. Nope, because most people I deal with are adults who know not to make idiots of themselves and who can handle criticism. I don't deal with stupid kids with a massive feeling of entitlement. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
UnIQu3	Posted - 2005.09.13 15:55:00 - [19] TheRaptor, are you like 7 years old ? Come on, act a little bit more mature.. It was a question, if you dont like it, dont reply to it.. there is thousaunds of other topics that you can scroll onto... It was a good question.!
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.09.14 01:19:00 - [20] Originally by: UnIQu3 TheRaptor, are you like 7 years old ? Come on, act a little bit more mature.. It was a question, if you dont like it, dont reply to it.. there is thousaunds of other topics that you can scroll onto... It was a good question.! No it was a stupid question. Upgrading the ship models would be all of two months work by some aspiring graphics artists, as its not creative work its just adding more polys to already made models. Its not a high priority as unless you are docked or taking screen shots you will not be able to appreciate new models. You generally have to play EVE so far zoomed out that the LOD system downgrades the ship quality anyway. And unless you have an absolute top end system you will be getting graphics lag in fleet battles as it is. Or do you want EVE to be like EQ2 where people have to turn all the pretty effects off to run it at a decent frame rate and it ends up looking worse then older games. Just because you and several other posters are to stupid to think this through is not my problem. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
SengH	Posted - 2005.09.14 01:32:00 - [21] alot of the low end systems will be forced to upgrade once MS releases vista. We'll see low end dell computers with base DX10/DXNext capable gfx cards. Maybe then it'll be the right time to push the graphics upgrade. Furthermore intel/amd are phasing out single core processors and dual multi cores are all that are being produced in the near future (2-3 years). CCP might want to take advatange of this, maybe 1 year after vista to redo the video and core code to make use of these new developments.
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.09.14 05:32:00 - [22] Originally by: SengH alot of the low end systems will be forced to upgrade once MS releases vista. We'll see low end dell computers with base DX10/DXNext capable gfx cards. Maybe then it'll be the right time to push the graphics upgrade. Furthermore intel/amd are phasing out single core processors and dual multi cores are all that are being produced in the near future (2-3 years). CCP might want to take advatange of this, maybe 1 year after vista to redo the video and core code to make use of these new developments. 1) Practically no one will upgrade their computer to run Vista. They will get Vista when they get a new PC, something like 90% of Windows sales are from OEM's. At Vista's release most Dell computers will stll have piece of ** integrated graphics cards (this is why Dells are cheap) and will probably ship with Vista with all the eye candy turned off. Many integrated graphics that ship are currently DX9, but they are so poor that you wouldnt want to run Quake 3 on them. 2) Dual cores have zero** to do with graphics. Generally CPU speed has little to do with graphics power. Graphic cards, ram and hard drive speed are nearly always far more important. CPU is good for AI and physics, neither of which can be done client side in a MMO because you must assume the client has been compromised, otherwise people will just modify the client and make exploits. 3) Most Vista features like DX10 are likely to be back ported to XP. Many Vista features have already been back ported and are currently in testing. Vista is not a new OS, it is NT 6 with a new graphical shell. At the rate MS is going the difference between XP and Vista will be no more then that between 2000 and XP. 4) 1 year after Vista is likely to be 2008. Vista is in early Beta, with MS's PR problems they would be insane to release it until it was fairly stable and secure. Otherwise they will repeat Windows ME all over again. 5) I expect CCP to do a graphics upgrade (probably just new textures) in mid 2006. That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.
Ramov Tinoga	Posted - 2005.09.14 09:15:00 - [23] There was a (moderate) graphics update with EXODUS. There will be a graphics update with KALI. If they do such graphics updates, it's in the process of client performance optimization. Why the game evolves, my (and other's) computer doesn't. [) Simply adding visual effects for eye candy would be counterproductive, as a lot of people would get into performance troubles. -----
Derron Bel	Posted - 2005.09.14 11:10:00 - [24] Clients still need to calculate physics in order to present a believable gameplay experience. It's just that the client's extrapolation is constantly updated by the server's extrapolation, and the server's extrapolation is the one that counts for gameplay. -==- Holy-Jim> as you know, surprise is the key to victory.....surprise! LooseCannoN> ahh! LooseCannoN> my plans have been foiled!
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.09.14 15:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Wizzkidy Originally by: theRaptor Until I get paid to answer people's stupid questions (and yes this is a very stupid question*) I will be as rude as I like. Lovely. What A nice guy you are If I met you in RL you would get a kick in the face because of your poor attitude. Would you treat someone like that in RL - doubt it. Rl threats = ban fyi ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Caeden Nicomachean	Posted - 2005.09.14 15:10:00 - [26] Quote: Rl threats = ban fyi Don't feed the trolls ffs.
SengH	Posted - 2005.09.14 17:36:00 - [27] Originally by: theRaptor 1) Practically no one will upgrade their computer to run Vista. They will get Vista when they get a new PC, something like 90% of Windows sales are from OEM's. At Vista's release most Dell computers will stll have piece of ** integrated graphics cards (this is why Dells are cheap) and will probably ship with Vista with all the eye candy turned off. Many integrated graphics that ship are currently DX9, but they are so poor that you wouldnt want to run Quake 3 on them. 2) Dual cores have zero** to do with graphics. Generally CPU speed has little to do with graphics power. Graphic cards, ram and hard drive speed are nearly always far more important. CPU is good for AI and physics, neither of which can be done client side in a MMO because you must assume the client has been compromised, otherwise people will just modify the client and make exploits. 3) Most Vista features like DX10 are likely to be back ported to XP. Many Vista features have already been back ported and are currently in testing. Vista is not a new OS, it is NT 6 with a new graphical shell. At the rate MS is going the difference between XP and Vista will be no more then that between 2000 and XP. 4) 1 year after Vista is likely to be 2008. Vista is in early Beta, with MS's PR problems they would be insane to release it until it was fairly stable and secure. Otherwise they will repeat Windows ME all over again. 5) I expect CCP to do a graphics upgrade (probably just new textures) in mid 2006. 1) Very few people actually upgrade/assemble their own computers. A VERY large majority buy from OEMs and it is this base that CCP will cater to. 2)The EVE client is CPU limited even on todays high end processors, dual cores will hopefully alleviate this allowing the bottleneck to be taken off the CPU and allow further graphics work to be done. 3) If you havent noticed, the driver sets between vista and xp are not compatible, with Vista using a whole different driver model and powering most of the visual portion of windows off the video card rather than the CPU like is done in XP, its a whole different creature. 4) PR problems havent stopped MS from releasing anything.... XP 64bit anyone? 5) Yes CCP will probably do that route as its the easiest, rather than integrating new features such as parallax mapping and HDR.

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