Please carry changes over to faction versions.

RIP Bhaalgorn.

Edit: also keep in mind the Apoc is the only Amarr BS for cap-stable pve missions so I would make sure those are still doable after the change lest amarr pvers lose their platforms.

He could be the godfather of the Empress herself, but without having final say on the matter, which is doubtful as he is still a CCP Youn'un, the result may be far from what he envisioned .. critique is valid enough as he is the spear-/figurehead of the changes.

Yes Amarr ships are good in blobs, we already covered that .. problem is that it will be their only function, perpetual blob ships (when people run out of tier3 BC at any rate) with very little hope outside .. all the other races are made viable in all size engagement. Only the Geddon will ever cross a null border as it alone has any hope (however slim) against the competition.

Having three laser ships is not a problem, Amarr is lasers for christs sake. The only deviations (until tiericide) was a single frig and the eWar platforms .. there is plenty of variation possible with an all (or mostly) gun layout.
The changes since tiericide has completely ignored nine years of lore as pertains to racial flavours, no wonder the evelopedia is hopelessly behind as they will quite literally have to rewrite everything which is a lot.

Without some form of explanation of their chosen path I shall maintain my opposition to everything they do as it appears to be a massive homogenization/dumbing-down of Eve in the hunt for the almighty dollar that catering to the fickle/casual gamers promises ..

Amarr was never about versatility, it was all projection and staying power with versatility only possible if chopping off one's feet and hands .. don't get me wrong, it is nice, but it erodes the soul of what it is to fly Amarr.

Unless you only gank then you already hull tank as balance between ships has been fine tuned this year to a point where no matchup is a guaranteed win and winner more often than not surviving in flames (ie. hull).

It's called Abaddon.

Ok for starters.

Abbadon it a awsome ship but is hella bad on cap running cap boosters helps some but still isnt enough. I would take a -3% to armor resistance just for some extra cap.

Apoc again cap problems I mean really do you have any idea how hard it is to keep any cap for amarr ships?

Giddion WTF are you thinking this is my personal favorite ship for amarr combat. You dont suffer the crippling cap issues of the other two large drone by for several small/med wings of drones. It only down fall is amarr lasers suck for tracking but with tackle or bs vs bs combat it second to none for a longer engagement.

Nerfing? It needs something to nerf, first.

Its funny how the Gallente changes were totally re-done due to player outcry, and the Amarr changes, which are far worse, have been given A trivial adjustment.

Here is a great quote from CCP Rise on the updated Megathron post:




How about the 'flavor' the Geddon has been building? It is ridiculous. There is no consideration being given to what Amarr Pilots actually need from their Ships, and the current changes just show how out of touch CCP is with the Amarr pilots.


> There is now no Amarr BS with 8 lows? But the Megathron gets a perfect 7/4/8 layout that frankly would better suit the Geddon.

> There is now no Amarr BS that can fire its guns for any decent amount of time without burning through cap boosters at an absurd rate. Not that there was much cargohold m3 to hold them to begin with.

> The Apoc's #1 problem of not being able to fit a full rack of tachyons has not been addressed. Instead we have given it even more cap issues in return for a tracking bonus it did not need.

> The old Geddon's 125m3 drone bay was more than enough to encourage Amarr pilots to train drones, and reward them for their SP in the Prophecy/Dragoon ect.

> On a side note, CCP gave the Navy Harbinger a 5th mid and a tracking bonus instead of a 7th low.


Why is Amarr being shifted to a mid slot heavy race? It has never been this way and it shouldn't. Amarr should always have more low slots than their Gallente counterparts, and Gallente should have more mids.



I urge you to change direction before you throw ~10 years of this game out the window.

If you insist on this new direction I am afraid you will alienate dedicated Amarr pilots who have been playing for 8+ years now.

I'm just going to keep posting until we get actual revisions.

We really have looked at them.

I think you will find its not a very painful shift - but again, public testing will give us a better idea.

Oh I'll be coming near them pretty soon alright =)

I think you'll be happy though.

The point being that when logistics are involved resistance bonuses are tremendously more powerful than local repair bonuses, it scales very badly and ensure that only resistance bonuses ships are used for fleet work. So an effort is being made to bring resistance bonused ship down a bit, and we'll see local rep bonus ships being buffed... possibly by making the repair bonus also affect incoming remote repair amount (we'll have to see).

I'd still like it if the option were explored to make ship bonuses either repair amount or raw armor/shield amount (like the Augoror)... reserving resistance bonuses for T2 boats. I think this would be much easier to balance over all.

I'm sorry, but when was the last time you saw a fleet based heavily on Armageddons?
Or a roaming BS group?
Or even a pirate camp?

I really liked the Armageddon, but it was redundant.

One thing it did have going for it was that it was cheap, but as pricing will be leveled that won't be a factor anymore.

Yeah, I guess part of the drawback to so much active participation in the thread earlier is that now people worry we are gone.

We aren't gone. Fozzie and Ytterbium and I have been talking about the battleships almost every day still. After our last round of reviews we still feel that Amarr is likely in the best place it can be for Odyssey. We will keep watching closely as everything heads to sisi and if more adjustments are needed we will make them.

Resistance bonuses are problematic for very clear reasons which Fozzie has done a great job articulating. The ships that field them have a range of power and application and should each be addresses relative to the new changes individually, rather than making oversimplified "amarr is getting weaker" conclusions.

There is virtually no power based conclusions you can make about the relationship between 8 low mega and amarr as an overall race design. You need to be much more specific on how that is a problem.

Closing the gap between new players and old players in some areas is definitely positive. If you notice that EVE gets to a point where you would rather have less ISK and SP let me know, we'll fix it asap.

I'm curious about your augoror vs guardian comparison - I'm guessing your aurgoror has some other issues that you are leaving out.

If you notice that EVE gets to a point where you would rather have less ISK and SP let me know, we'll fix it asap.

Stop focusing on and feeding the trolls, and try responding to those of us who are actually trying to work WITH you on these issues in a reasonable and positive fashion!

I have removed some non constructive posts.

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