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Novacrow
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Posted - 2013.04.08 17:12:00 -
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Marlyrel wrote:Are there changes coming on how much CAP the Large Lasers take?
The apoc used to be a really fun PVE ship since you didn't HAVE to use a stupid cap booster.
Now with the bonus gone you'll either have to lose a crapton of DPS by fitting more cap rechargers or fit that stupid cap booster again.
Please rethink taking away the bonuses
I really thing they need to rethink the cap needs of lasers in general. To me they just do not seem that good at all over other weapon systems...
Sure scorch is great, but I just feel lasers are too cap dependent. Amarr ships in general are very vulnerable to both TD and Neuting. There is no other weapon system that has two significant weaknesses like this. You can argue hybrids do as well, but they require much less cap.
Also the great optimal is only great in ships where you can dictate range...most amarr ships cannot do this because of armor tanking and the lack of mid slots.
I know this is a off topic, but laser cap issues should be addressed, or just buff the cap on the apoc a little more. |
Novacrow
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:34:00 -
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Mr Hyde113 wrote:BTW - BUFF THE HARBINGER. 
I admit, I lol'd. |
Novacrow
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Posted - 2013.04.08 18:56:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Interesting how many people seem to dislike having logical options, instead of not really having to think at all.
I don't know. I have mixed feeling about the entire changes. I like the option of having a heavy neuting battleship, but I don't want to lose the old geddon as well...
The old Apoc gave us damage projection and plenty of cap.
The Abaddon gave us superior tank, but has cap issues.
The old geddon sort of sat right in the middle for me. I liked it. It was cheap and could easily pump out ~1k dps. What is not to like with that? I liked the ship because it was not too difficult to fit and could dish out some hurt.
If they addressed cap issues on the new Abaddon and Apoc, then I am all for the changes.
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Novacrow
Crown Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:25:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:SkyMeetFire wrote:I like the new Geddon; its exactly what I was hoping for except I sorta hoped for a 15% per level range rather than only 10%. I don't really agree that it is encroaching on the Bhaalgorn - The Bhaal still is the most powerful neuter in the game with 12.25 effective neuts (7 * 1.75). The Geddon just gives us another option, and gives the Amarr line some ability to dictate range in the BS level (because it sure as hell couldn't do it with speed before). Add into it that we now get a fully capable drone boat as well, and finally the Amarr BS line catches up with the other races in versatility.
I like the Apoc change, other than I'm a tad worried about its cap now. Hopefully you'll look into a slight reduction in laser cap use, a buff to the Controlled Bursts Skill, and/or perhaps a slightly larger buff to recharge on the Apoc. The overall reduction is laser cap use will also help the Baddon, which also struggles with its cap massively.
The Baddon change is a little disappointing, but I understand completely its necessity within the current meta. In application, I don't think it will be as drastic as people make it out to be. You also missed that they are slightly nerfing the cap recharge time on the Apoc, making it REALLY hurt cap wise.
No, hurting the total cap a tad and they are buffing the recharge rate a tad... |
Novacrow
Crown Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:28:00 -
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SkyMeetFire wrote:
I like the Apoc change, other than I'm a tad worried about its cap now. Hopefully you'll look into a slight reduction in laser cap use, a buff to the Controlled Bursts Skill, and/or perhaps a slightly larger buff to recharge on the Apoc. The overall reduction is laser cap use will also help the Baddon, which also struggles with its cap massively.
The Baddon change is a little disappointing, but I understand completely its necessity within the current meta. In application, I don't think it will be as drastic as people make it out to be.
An easy way to address the cap issues in one change is to just change the cap use of large energy turrets. |
Novacrow
Crown Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:42:00 -
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Nikuno wrote:I'd still say the capacitors for both the laser ships is on the weak side. Cap is a real problem for the abbaddon and I expect the Apoc to suffer as badly.
The neut bonus to the Geddon is too much. This is an ewar bonus which is way too powerful for a non-faction battleship which should be packing a bit more dps not being able to cripple anything and everything that floats within neut range (all those changes you've made to BC, cruisers, destroyers and frigs will be pointless with these on the field). Utter madness if you follow this through.
Why not an ewar bship? The caldari have one, and they are the paradigm of shield tankers. Amarr are the paradigm of armor tankers. It makes sense... |
Novacrow
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Posted - 2013.04.08 19:55:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:Novacrow wrote:Nikuno wrote:I'd still say the capacitors for both the laser ships is on the weak side. Cap is a real problem for the abbaddon and I expect the Apoc to suffer as badly.
The neut bonus to the Geddon is too much. This is an ewar bonus which is way too powerful for a non-faction battleship which should be packing a bit more dps not being able to cripple anything and everything that floats within neut range (all those changes you've made to BC, cruisers, destroyers and frigs will be pointless with these on the field). Utter madness if you follow this through.
Why not an ewar bship? The caldari have one, and they are the paradigm of shield tankers. Amarr are the paradigm of armor tankers. It makes sense... I both agree and disagree. Not to having an ewar BS of the Amarr line, but that giving one bonuses to both cap drain and TD on a T1 hull. We don't do this historically, we save that for T2 hulls. Here's hoping that they do give us a T2 version that both nuets and TDs :)
What? Nothing in the proposed changes said anything about a TD bonus. |
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