ummm, dual, rep tank on hybe does not work w/o 2x cap injectors... Unless you reduce the cap consumption of large armor reppers these changes are a significant nerf... What should have been done is the loss of a turret and high slot and the addition of a low slot. The damage bonus should then be changed to a ROF bonus and the graphical orientation of the turrets on the hype should be moved to different spots on the hull so 7 Turrets looks "symmetrical"...


The changes to the mega are reasonable... However I did not really see anything wrong with the ship in the first place. The lack of it's use in fleets has far more to do with the inability of BS to mitigate damage on the large scale (large sig, t1 resistances) and far less to do with it being immobile. The mega has been a staple of small scale close range pvp for years... Again I see no reason to change this.


Dominix? WTF are you thinking kill2. You have simply gutted the ship... The removal of the Hybrid bonus has pigeonholed the ship heavily... Before these changes it could gank with the best of them, or be used as a RR/Nuet Cheese Ball. These changes essentially remove the ability for this ship to gank at the potential it use it. In conclusion, Deleted these stupid changes to the ship and leave it alone, it's been working fine for years.


In conclusion? Step away from the Gallente BS, and move to a Balance project that ACTUALLY needs some attention. Oh you know, like Command Ships and t3s or something? ******* Christ....

The only thing the hyp ever seemed to do very well, was brawl at close range using a decent dual rep(or sometimes tripple rep) tank. It did it solo SOMETIMES, but usually the lack of utility high and lack of projection/application bonus made that difficult, so more often it was used in small gangs as a heavy brawler that would be supported by some other ships providing extra tackle so that it could focus on tank and gank. I think it was used at least as often for a shield tanked version that just focused on putting out damage, again with some support to provide supplemental tackle.

Moving the slot layout this way would hopefully reinforce performance around its bonus for armor repping. It would likely have to run 2 injectors, as it did before, and give up a piece of tackle. Since its primary purpose was not to tackle, but to absorb damage and dish it out, the low seemed more useful.

We are talking (as we have been for a couple weeks) about finding a way to allow the solo pilot (since this version should be better for anyone with support) to have the same access to tackle that it had before, without giving up the increased tank.

As I said in the OP, we are in a tough spot with the active armor bonuses. We don't want to throw them out, they are fun to play when they work, and we have hopes that we will continue to bring them into viability with other changes. That said, in the mean time we don't want to overcorrect for their current position in the meta.

People are so scared of changes !

You can get back what the hyperion lost in the midslot with the low slot ; basically, only triple rep setup will really be hurt, but double rep setup will be almost as powerful and require a lot less cap.

And if utility was the problem, the Megathron will take this place.

Yet, the Hyperion will now replace the Megathron for fleet duties with lots of benefits (8 guns is good, and tier3 hp are good).

Megathron and Hyperion have their roles shaked up a bit, but all roles they had still exists, and I think they earn some capabilities in the end.

And for the Dominix, it's basically an integrated drone omnidirectional tracking link. Per se, it may be a bit weak in fact, as ship bonuses tend to be better than module bonuses most of the time, but that's still usefull for drones (and heavy drones have a use for this too), and that allow for sentry sniping a lot more easilly (ship bonuses are not stacking penalized).

Basically, it's a lot of changes, but I think they are mostly good. Just adapt.

It still had 6 turret hard points ergo only a 25% drop in damage

Yes, what a lovely number it makes in the "Show info" window.

Of course, to actually HIT anything out at that range, you'd need several Drone Link Augmentors (4, I think), and since the Dominix has a base targeting range of 70km, you'll need to fit 2 Sensor Boosters with targeting range scripts, or a few signal amplifiers.

So, wow, after using 4 high slots and 3 mid slots (or 1 mid and 3-4 lows), you can finally target and hit something at 150km. Oh and then you'll be doing kinetic damage, in fairly low amounts.

Whoop de frickin doo.

As others have said in this post, the new Dominix bonus is pretty awesome, but it kills the utility that the Dominix currently has. I can live with this as split weapons are bad and hopefully drones get changed in the near future to fix their flaws. I maintain that drones are still to vulnerable to being killed/smartbombed and need a better HP bonus on all blaster ships.

[b]Galentte - Combat Droneboat

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% Drone Damage and Drone hitpoints
+4% Armor Resist Bonus

6 highs(5 turrets), 5 meds, 7 lows 125/375 drones

Providing bonused Sentries supplemented by Hybrids the domi can dish solid dps while assisting with RR. Alternately, fit up a standard neut domi and cap-nap your way to victory. The domi's key strength has always been its flexibility which should be maintained even while unifying the damage bonuses. Because of this I suggest swapping to a resist bonus which further encourages the droneboat mantra of "tank hard and let the drones eat em." As you mention earlier, resist bonuses are highly sought after for fleets, adding one encourage the dominix's inclusion in armor-bs doctrines and may freshen up the meta.

Not going to argue, just saying that it's a non-starter. Almost like trying to get CCP to expand armor repping bonus to "remote reps received" as well. Non-starter..

, or depending on how you look at it...

Megathron proposed changes. Solo/shield...

Internal Force Field Array I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
100MN Microwarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5

- killz

This is absolutely wrong ! This is a myth ! A LAAR+LAR or triple rep hyperion tank more than an abaddon with oneiros repair !

Sorry can someone explain this to me...

If the Dominix is supposed to be a drone sniper now, doesn't that mean it's basically going to have to kite? But its main source of damage will now have to come from sentries, which don't move... so how is it going to be able to kite?

False, it loses 25% and that is it, the choice to not fit turrets is on you.

Heat is balanced within the module and not around the ships, and nor are the ships balanced around using heat as it is a last ditch thing and not to be use for the full combat operation.

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That breaks down to a 25% reduction (539*1.25=673.75) (647/1.25=539.2)

Most of the Gallente changes make no sense

Giving the mega an extra mid is handy for that eccm, but as previously stated dual booster active setups will still fail because acitve armour reps are ****. (AAR's are even worse imo)

The hyper has now been made even worse - losing a mid means those realy fielded active setups wont have enough cap. why not get rid of the active bonus.... it makes no sense... ahhh!

I dont understand why the Gallente are the only race not to have an 8 gun platform thats any good for 'ship o the line' doctrines.